Lenovo Passes Apple in U.S. PC Shipments As Worldwide Market Flatlines

[dannyyankou]

Lenovo actually makes some pretty nice computers, I had one for a while.

It's windows I can't stand though. Never going back.

 

[Trapezoid]

Lenovo actually makes some pretty nice computers, I had one for a while.

It's windows I can't stand though. Never going back.

I actually like Windows, haha. But I think its because it's so widespread.

 

[Tanegashima]

You obviously have very little experience in upgrading PC (Maybe because you never could upgrade because you were Mac user all the way?) or just clueless. Upgrading a video card or CPU alone can have significant difference in performance in gaming/rendering/compiling.

I'm an EECS engineer... so yes, I have a very little experience with computers.

I was a PC users before Mac user, and being a PC user like you doesn't make a genius that's above everyone else just like buying you a nikon doesn't make you a photographer.

If you have specific needs for a machine, then you build a machine for those specific needs (GPU, CPU, RAM, etc...), if the machine is outdated, or you have another needs, then the best is to start with another machine.

 

[capathy21]

Not a big shock. When you sell the same product over and over people will eventually learn and leave.

Macs have not undergone any major changes, aside from SSDs and retina displays, in the last 4 years. This 4GB ram bullcrap has to end too. It's 2014, not 2004.

And no, a redesigned $3,000 mac pro doesn't count as a "major change".

What major changes are you needing to see? Their build quality is miles ahead of the competition and the software is much better than any other alternative. Also the 4GB model is great. I have two of them in my household and they run circles around comparable Windows machines.

I could have purchased any laptop I wanted for me and my wife. We chose Mac's due to them being much better built, with a fantastic operating system, far superior battery life, and customer service and support that is much better than the competition.

 

[Trapezoid]

What major changes are you needing to see? Their build quality is miles ahead of the competition, the software is flawless and oh by the way the 4GB of ram model is fantastic. Clearly you haven't used a modern Macbook because if you had, you would understand how good they are.

Yeah the spec-whoring gets tired. Specs are great, in fact I'm getting my LG G3 next week when it finally gets released for Verizon. But specs doesn't automatically equal better.

 

[tdale]

Seems legit, although if you read some of the comments here it'd be because Apple was collapsing onto itself like a dying star lol.

I cannot recall a comment that they are dying

 

[braintumor]

No wonder, but Apple is really lacking with the Macs!!!!

They should get a little more aggresive with their Macs when it comes to releases and pricing!
The only Mac that is interesting for the low-end market is the mini... But the current mini is as old as my grandmother and a potential costumer would rather buy a windows machine then that old mini <= loss of market share

Also is that new lower spec imac a complete joke and apple could have easily lowered the prices for all imacs or be more agressive with the specs for the latest update (include big ssd or introduce retina imacs) <= loss of market share

The macbook pro could use some more power for what we pay and is need for a proper update (hdmi 2.0 port, thunderbolt 2 and 4k capability for external monitor/tv and video editing workflow)... Also am I interested in more batterylife then an even thinner macbook pro... If i want a thin macbook, I would get myself an macbook air!!
I myself am in the market to replace my ageing 17" MBP (2009), but right now Im not willing to put down $3000 for the products they offer!
I guess Im not the only one that is waiting for a serious MBP update <= loss of market share

The macbook air is a fine product, but the air has some serious competition with the ipad air and a lot of potential macbook air costumers (casual (mac) user) find themselves using their ipads more and more and that is where they put the money in the end! <= loss of market share

The Mac Pro is a fine machine, but its a niche product and will never become a mass market product. Which amazes me, since apple put a lot of effort into design and development of this machine, but cannot come up with something similarly amazing for the low- to mid-end market in form of a new mac mini that looks like a smaller mac pro!!

Then we have the periphals... No new cinema displays, no new keyboards, mice or input devices for ages... Also the appletv is telling a lot about apples development... Who would seriously buy an appletv right now? There is so much potential for apple there if they would just put an appstore on it and have a yearly update with the latest a-series soc... Thats not so hard and the dev community would make sure that there would be a steady demand for that machine!!

Apple is concentrating too much on its iphone and ipad products and are losing the focus for the mac product line, which even though will not be a problem shortterm financially, but the longterm damage to its image and marketing might be very problematic and a can start to upset longterm loyal apple costumers!!!

Apple needs to get more serious about their macs and honestly it is the best time to do so!!! MS did a really bad job with the release of windows 8 and I know a lot of windows users that are increasingly getting fed up with windows and are more happy to change then ever before, if the price and the product is right! This is called a market opportunity which Apple is ignoring and it might be google in the end that will get it right with Chrome OS...

Lets see what apple will come up this year!?

 

[Tanegashima]

Don't know how things are in Portugal but in the USA there is a good market for PCs that can have storage, memory and GPUs easily upgraded.

Additionally I can find none of the missing Mac models I mentioned in Apple's catalog.

Finally one can buy a business oriented HP with Haswell i7, lots of memory and storage expansion, six to eight USB ports, three-year warranty and PCIe slots for about the price of an i7 mini. I own a mini but it cannot hold a candle to competing PCs. Its only claim to fame is that it is very well built and has OSX.

Equally. There's more market for custom built PC's, because you get better bang/buck than HP/Dells, etc...

You can also upgrade the storage on a Mac, you buy an internal hard drive, or with USB 3.0 overpowering spinning hard drives, just buy a cheap USB hard drive.

You business oriented i7 didn't cost the same as a mini, or has the perfection of components, software, legality if you hackintosh, etc. as an iMac.

So no, if you use your computer for business, then PC is even a worse decision, as you'll need to pay for an Office suite of some sort, and you'll need to pay for an anti-virus, as it's very common on Windows.

Tell that to my 2007 iMac getting an SSD. It feels as snappy as my 2012 MBA. And you CLEARLY don't have a clue what you're talking about.

No?

Does your SSD gets it's full performance on that SATA1/SATA2?

NO! It doesn't.

It's wasted money. Save the $ and buy a PCIex mac with SSD.

Albeit SSD's are an exception, because they are one of those game changers.

People who have shoved an SSD into even a 4-year-old computer would beg to differ. Upgrading hardware is not stupid by any means.

As I said...

Wrong

Yeah, because of things.

 

[malman89]

Glad I could contribute to Lenovo's amazing numbers.

 

[cycomiko]

Doesn't really matter. Every Mac has more profit in it than 3 Lenovo PCs combined, I'm sure. So if you multiplied the Mac marketshare x 3, who would come out on top?

1) Evidence for more profit... Apple makes a range of products, what are their margins on their laptops, their desktops (iMac and Pro/mini).
2) Plus, as a consumer, what benefit does paying this hypothesized three times the profit provide?

 

[Tanegashima]

... plz delete ...

 

[tdale]

When everything Apple does is great with no comprehension to look at pros and cons of Apple PC's or other brands thats fanboyism. They all have pros and cons, they are all built by underpaid asian workers, they all have issues. Its that simple, hence why discussions here with that mindset are merely amusing. Blind

 

[Tanegashima]

... plz delete ...

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

I'm waiting for Skylake to replace my computers. They'll be classified by Apple as obsolete at that point, but I intend my next computers to be my last (I expect laptops and desktops to be replaced by servers and tablets by the time my next computer reaches its EOL.)

 

[Tanegashima]

What major changes are you needing to see? Their build quality is miles ahead of the competition and the software is much better than any other alternative. Also the 4GB model is great. I have two of them in my household and they run circles around comparable Windows machines.

I could have purchased any laptop I wanted for me and my wife. We chose Mac's due to them being much better built, with a fantastic operating system, far superior battery life, and customer service and support that is much better than the competition.

They are just pi**** because they want one, but they want to pay the same as crap loud, bulky, computer that they have to built themselves and also doubles as an always-on toaster...

 

[Trapezoid]

I cannot recall a comment that they are dying

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19338595/

 

[tdale]

You said that Apple doesn't care about its consumers, and you also admitted you own Apple products. So you're saying you WANT products made by companies that don't care about their consumers? I'm confused now, but would love a clarification.

As many posters here have said, the specs are behind. Apple chooses to make the profits based upon loyalty, not on a current machine. Same goes for iPhones and iPads. Yes, iPads are great, albeit constrained by iOS. All I hear is profits. I hear the old saying of SJ that users don't know what they want, well the do. Hence complaints over not keeping up with refreshes, the years old iPhone screen size issue, now being resolved by new management. The inane restrictions of iOS now being resolved by new management. Perhaps the range of Apple desktops/laptops will be reviewed.

I use Apple products and am a recent switcher from Windows. I didn't switch as I am in love with Macs, nor as I hate Windows, there are pros and cons with both. I switched to increase the integration to my 5S, iPad Air, Apple TV. Yes I am amazed why I only have two USB ports on the NZ$3679 machine, and I am not paying the stupid prices for TB devices or ports. As with everything, I have tick boxes. iPhone screen size and iOS is a negative, but other tick boxes matter more. I like OSX, apart from Finder, but thats just one tick box.

But the comments here super praising Apple, super running down HP, Lenovo etc I find silly. They are not crap. Apple is not immune to issues, and design issues as per the MBP issue with video card overheating.

Bottom line is that I see all these devices for what they are, there is no perfect brand by any stretch, despite the criticism of other brands exhibited here. And the negative comments of Apple by Apple users exhibited here. I bought this rMBP for the reasons I stated, and got the spec from the minimal offering

 

[Tanegashima]

This is what people who know about computers do:

This is the crap they buy for $1K

This is what people who think they know about computers do:

This is the crap they buy for $1K

 

[vault]

I'm an EECS engineer... so yes, I have a very little experience with computers.
If you have specific needs for a machine, then you build a machine for those specific needs (GPU, CPU, RAM, etc...), if the machine is outdated, or you have another needs, then the best is to start with another machine.

No. What you do is look for bottlenecks and see if you can eliminate them with minimal cost. Most of the time you can.

For example, for a gamer, the cpu will not age as much as a graphics card. A sandy bridge cpu from ~2010 is enough for nearly everything, but a graphics card from that era will be junk. There's zero point in replacing the whole machine.

No?

Does your SSD gets it's full performance on that SATA1/SATA2?

NO! It doesn't.

It's wasted money. Save the $ and buy a PCIex mac with SSD.

The ssd may be bottlenecked, but he's still got a huge performance increase with minimal cost. Also, the drive will probably outlive his motherboard, so he'll get additional benefits down the line.

 

[gmanist1000]

For the first time in years, I have no interest in buying an Apple machine. I got a Surface Pro 3, after having a Surface Pro 2 (sold my 15" Retina Macbook Pro) which is a really great machine, though not without lots of the typical Microsoft foibles.

Still, it is far more interesting of a machine than anything Apple currently has. Which really makes me sad, because for the first time in a LONG time, I am hesitant to recommend an Apple computer to my friends.

Say what you will about Windows 8.1, it is coming along pretty nicely - I was shocked at how much lower maintenance it was compared to Windows Vista (last version of Windows I had the displeasure of using, yuck).

I really enjoy the SP3, and all of my friends and family are enthralled with it (though it has its issues).

I have started hearing words like 'boring' thrown around when describing Macs these days, which is ... not supposed to happen!

C'mon Apple, we are starting to believe that the media is right, without Steve at the helm, you've lost your way once more.

How much did they pay you to write this? How much!

 

[tdale]

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19338595/

Tks. I don't really see his post as Apple dying, perhaps mildly. Apple wont die as they make the money due to high margins. By his post does give an example that others are becoming more competitive. What blows me away is the lack of advertising on TV displaying the integration users can get with an Apple ecosystem.

 

[MacbookSwitcher]

I cannot fathom how anyone could purchase a Chinese Communist Computer (a.k.a. Lenovo) over an Apple...

The more I read the headlines, the more I realize people these days have lost their minds...

Loving my Macbook Air and looking forward to iPhone 6!

 

[tdale]

How much did they pay you to write this? How much!

A positive post about the alternatives, thats all it is, and you need to denigrate it as its not pro Apple? or is he lying? Is it not interesting to read positive comments about Apple, and about the alternatives, and also negative comments about Apple and the alternatives, in order to get a feel for consumer sentiment? Where is the benefit for a discussion if it was decreed that only pro Apple comments are made?

Believe it or not there are other great devices, and OS's that work very well

FWIW my devices are
iPhone 5S 64, iPad Air Cellular 128, rMBP 8GB, 512 SSD, ATV3, Kickarse i7 Win 7 Gaming Rig. Wife has 4S 64, iPad Mini

I am hardly a low Apple user, but I prefer to look at everything to form my opinions.

 

[Trapezoid]

As many posters here have said, the specs are behind.

Well yeh sure they are. But they haven't affected performance. Apple products tend to outperform competitors who have way better specs.

Apple chooses to make the profits based upon loyalty, not on a current machine. Same goes for iPhones and iPads. Yes, iPads are great, albeit constrained by iOS. All I hear is profits.

A for profit company wants to make profits? Can you point me to one company that exists that is not in it for the profits??

I hear the old saying of SJ that users don't know what they want, well they do.

Steve Jobs died in 2011. In August it'll be three years. You people who try to talk down about Apple really (REALLY) need to stop bringing up Steve Jobs. He's dead.

Hence complaints over not keeping up with refreshes, the years old iPhone screen size issue, now being resolved by new management. The inane restrictions of iOS now being resolved by new management. Perhaps the range of Apple desktops/laptops will be reviewed.

New Management is resolving any issues that were left behind by Jobs. Jobs is dead.

I use Apple products and am a recent switcher from Windows. I didn't switch as I am in love with Macs, nor as I hate Windows, there are pros and cons with both. I switched to increase the integration to my 5S, iPad Air, Apple TV. Yes I am amazed why I only have two USB ports on the NZ$3679 machine, and I am not paying the stupid prices for TB devices or ports. As with everything, I have tick boxes. iPhone screen size and iOS is a negative, but other tick boxes matter more. I like OSX, apart from Finder, but thats just one tick box.

You know what you are??? A consumer. Yes. A normal, run of the mill consumer. You picked the product that worked best for you. I still fail to see your point.

But the comments here super praising Apple, super running down HP, Lenovo etc I find silly. They are not crap. Apple is not immune to issues, and design issues as per the MBP issue with video card overheating.

I will use a line from your book. I don't recall a comment saying Apple is immune to issues.

Bottom line is that I see all these devices for what they are, there is no perfect brand by any stretch, despite the criticism of other brands exhibited here. And the negative comments of Apple by Apple users exhibited here. I bought this rMBP for the reasons I stated, and got the spec from the minimal offering

Who said there's a perfect product?

Tks. I don't really see his post as Apple dying, perhaps mildly. Apple wont die as they make the money due to high margins. By his post does give an example that others are becoming more competitive. What blows me away is the lack of advertising on TV displaying the integration users can get with an Apple ecosystem.

He clearly stated "C'mon Apple, we are starting to believe that the media is right, without Steve at the helm, you've lost your way once more."

What did you think he meant by "once more"?

 

[tdale]

Well yeh sure they are. But they haven't affected performance. Apple products tend to outperform competitors who have way better specs.

They are not as fast as a Windows machine, which surprises me. I assume conservative timings on the board, re bus speed, etc. Really only relative to gamers



A for profit company wants to make profits? Can you point me to one company that exists that is not in it for the profits??

Apple margins for phones, tablets and PCs are higher than everyone else. Thats maximises profits, and is clearly beneficial than the purchases who are put off by the pricing.



Steve Jobs died in 2011. In August it'll be three years. You people who try to talk down about Apple really (REALLY) need to stop bringing up Steve Jobs. He's dead.

A great man, but we are still getting past the change on direction, so his passing is still relevant.



New Management is resolving any issues that were left behind by Jobs. Jobs is dead.



You know what you are??? A consumer. Yes. A normal, run of the mill consumer. You picked the product that worked best for you. I still fail to see your point.

No, I picked the service that I want, OSX and more integration, so I had to live with an overpriced under specced product, rMBP. I am ok with that



I will use a line from your book. I don't recall a comment saying Apple is immune to issues.

The number of times other products has been mentioned as cheap crap is rubbish, I expect Apple to be better overall, but the statements often made here are way wrong when comparing an Apple device to an alternative.



Who said there's a perfect product?




He clearly stated "C'mon Apple, we are starting to believe that the media is right, without Steve at the helm, you've lost your way once more."

What did you think he meant by "once more"?

Not sure, but the complaints over iPhones, iOS, Mac specs are common in the past, perhaps thats what he meant.