Lenovo the innovator? Apple the procrastinator.

[Tosser]

1. I think they do: that's the point.

2. Why are you showing me current Lenovos? We all know how they look like. I assumed you were showing me (what you thought were) 'predecessor' IBM machines, in order to make a comparison between predecessor machines and current-gen ones. What's the point of showing me new machines and saying "I don't think so, so there." You're not proving anything.

LOL, you're saying that the new ones look different, right? I showed you pics of the new ones that in your mind looks different from the old ones. The new ones look "classic" to me, although improved from the old ones.
It's curious you had to look at the specs to determine that the ones I linked to were the new ones: Obviously you couldn't tell the difference without looking at the specs.

3. I've owned the predecessor machines. They are less busy, aesthetically speaking, than the bells and whistles with schitt sticking out Lenovos of today.

I'll grant you that the one in this thread (the one with the wacom tablet amongst other things) is busy: Way too busy for my taste as I have no use for, say, the wacom tablet. But to say that the _entire_ line-up is more busy than the predecessor is a stretch. Again considering you had to look at the specs.

So telling me to take a look at the current ones is more than a little inane. I've seen and compared them both, obviously.

See above.

 

[macenforcer]

The real point of this thread was this:

Look at what other pc manufacturers can do. WOW.

I love OS X. I use pcs for work and have to due to corporate infrastructure but my home desktop machines are all macs, notebooks are all lenovos. I have held out on buying a mac laptop because frankly they are outdated old looking terds with loud fans. My lenovo thinkpads are quiet, fast, tough and cheap as hell. I got a fully loaded 15" T61 with fingerprint reader, 250gb HD, DVD burner, SD slot reader, larger battery, 3gb ram, 3yr warranty, awesome keyboard and a 2.5GHZ penryn for $1100 out the door. Now thats great.

DO I use os x more, yes. BUT when I need a lappy to surf or check email or send out information to clients or even do some photoshop work a lenovo does the job for cheap without going cheap on hardware.

Bottom line is apple needs to step up. Their laptop line has been stale now for yrs. Nothing new or innovative has popped into the macbook pro line in forever. Time to see some new designs and for GOD SAKES make the hard drive easily removable. There is really no excuse. Apple fanboy or no, you can't deny this.

 

[Bubba Satori]

Readability?

Also, how recently did those panels become available?



Cost? Heat dissipation? Battery life?



Because it's an Apple product and Apple is all about aesthetics in their hardware design.



In the case of the former, until recently you couldn't put more then 4GB in a mobile Intel platform so it was superfluous at the time the original MacBook Pro design was released.

As to the latter, see directly above.

Also, two HDDs add weight, cooling complexity and power drain.

Every 15" 16x10 laptop I've viewed has been readable. Lame

Cost ? Not a good excuse to bring up on a premium priced computer.

Heat Dissipation ? Again another poor excuse considering the flame throwing heat produced by MBPs.

When Aesthetics is more important than function, you have the hardware disasters that Apple has had and the unavailabilty of the lastest technology because of artifical design restraints. "Oh but their pretty." Sorry.

Adding weight cooling complexity and power drain ? Can't Apple have at least one model that isn't designed for anorexic teenage girls who can't hoist an 8 pound laptop. Jeebus girls, grow a pair or hit the gym.

 

[macenforcer]

Adding weight cooling complexity and power drain ? Can't Apple have at least one model that isn't designed for anorexic teenage girls who can't hoist an 8 pound laptop. Jeebus girls, grow a pair or hit the gym.

Right on.

 

[ohforfckssake!]

It's curious you had to look at the specs to determine that the ones I linked to were the new ones: Obviously you couldn't tell the difference without looking at the specs.

Except that's not what I said. I advised you to look at the specs because you seemingly mistook the new for the old. That was premised on your inability to tell the difference between old and new, given your pointless comparison between new and new (the W700). The rest of your argument is spurious as a result.

If you have to misconstrue what I said to clinch your argument, then you don't have much to go on.

In short, I know what they look like. And the new ones in their entirety look busier than the old. (And that judgement is final.) You don't actually have an argument to the contrary, besides pointing and saying "look! look!", so you're not going to convince me any time soon. Give up and move on.

 

[noodle654]

- Dual Raid hard drives
- QUAD CPU
- 1GB VIDEO CARD
- 400NIT BRIGHT SCREEN
- Fingerprint reader
- WIMAX
- Wireless USB
- BLU-RAY!!!


When will the Macbook Pro get these features? Cricket cricket cricket...

With a 30 minute battery and only 10lbs right?? The computer is nice and is what I would call a desktop replacement. But, I dont see how anybody could use it as a mobile laptop. Its great companies are doing this, and a lot of people are complaining about Apple not. Also remember, Intel and Apple have their little partnership and I bet when the next revision, or even the one after it, it will have everything you want and still only 1" thick.

 

[markgamber]

Sell me that Lenovo running OSX86 with a complete set of drivers and I'll give you my Macbook Pro. Gladly.

 

[Firefly2002]

It still seems that people are forgetting that Apple is only targeting a specific customer base with their laptops... they're not trying to compete with the high-end, heavier and faster laptops.

Apple isn't the only company that sells slimmer, nicer-looking computers for a bit more (because of the trouble making everything fit into that design); they're just the only one that doesn't sell alternatives.

If you want another type of laptop, go buy it. But Apple doesn't sell them. It's like whining about Alienware not selling the specific type you want, when Voodoo (okay, I guess now HP "with Voodoo DNA") does.

 

[chaosbunny]

With a 30 minute battery and only 10lbs right?? The computer is nice and is what I would call a desktop replacement. But, I dont see how anybody could use it as a mobile laptop. Its great companies are doing this, and a lot of people are complaining about Apple not. Also remember, Intel and Apple have their little partnership and I bet when the next revision, or even the one after it, it will have everything you want and still only 1" thick.

Yes but then people will complain why this new mbp doesn't have 8-cores like the new lenovo/dell with 30 minute battery and only 10lbs that comes out next year.

 

[iMacmatician]

Readability?

Then why does the 17" have a 1920·1200 option? Similar ppi's.

Also, how recently did those panels become available?

I don't know, but 15" 1920·1200's have been around for a few years at least.

And I don't think a laptop HDD adds much weight at all... they're light as feathers.

NO HD in the second drive bay weighs only as much as the additional drive bay, in other words, very little.

I like to mess around with my Macs, and I've been known to royally screw things up (especially with ResEdit or Resorcerer in the Classic days). Having two, or even three hard drives is a failsafe when you really screw things up.

I used to do that when I first got my iBook. Now I'm playing safe.

I dont think you people get it. the macbook pro is not worthy of the "pro" until we see features like this. If its too heavy, too ugly, too bulky, etc get a freakin macbook and go to the mall with the other girls.

Completely agreed. Just like how the iMac is much smaller than the Mac Pro, the MacBook can be thinner than the MacBook Pro.

 

[tmelvin]

Yaawnnnn...Your story bores me....Come Sprockets...DANCE...

 

[peterdevries]

That's funny I am so use to everyone saying the very same thing about the Mac Book Pro. I also will never understand why a mature professional adult man would buy a laptop based on looks, its not a ladies hand bag design to match your high heels and mini skirt my God is a working tool. The Lenovo is not aimed at teenage girls who want a laptop that matches their eye liner.

I disagree. You are what you wear. Form follows function, but Apple is the only manufacturer that knows how to put good quality and well functioning electronics in a good looking suit.

There is nothing wrong with delivering good work and looking great while doing it. I'm happy to spend a few bucks more on a good looking laptop than on a similar specced but cheaper laptop with worse looks..

And by the way.. I am mature and adult, and generally complimented on my sense of style...

I also don't own a belt-clip for my iPhone

 

[macenforcer]

It still seems that people are forgetting that Apple is only targeting a specific customer base with their laptops... they're not trying to compete with the high-end, heavier and faster laptops.

Apple isn't the only company that sells slimmer, nicer-looking computers for a bit more (because of the trouble making everything fit into that design); they're just the only one that doesn't sell alternatives.

If you want another type of laptop, go buy it. But Apple doesn't sell them. It's like whining about Alienware not selling the specific type you want, when Voodoo (okay, I guess now HP "with Voodoo DNA") does.

Yes but thats the problem. If we were pissed at alienware we could go to HP but who do you go to when you are pissed at apple? Nobody. They are the only ones selling OS X. So the only thing to do is point out their shortcomings and whine about it until they get off their lazy butts and sell what we customers want. Keep saying its ok for them to rip uss off with old crappy hardware and thats what they will keep on doing.

 

[iMacmatician]

You are what you wear.

That's right.

And somebody who has eschewed a good-looking mainstream notebook (MacBook Pro) for a poor-looking but much more powerful notebook (this Lenovo, the Dell in the other thread) says a lot to me. It tells me that whatever job he needs that notebook for, it's performance-intensive enough and he takes it seriously enough so that he's willing to get an "ugly" "fat" notebook for more performance.

There is nothing wrong with delivering good work and looking great while doing it.

That's not the problem. The problem is looking great but not having much performance.

 

[Tosser]

Except that's not what I said. I advised you to look at the specs because you seemingly mistook the new for the old.

What on earth are you on about? Of course I didn't mistook the new for old ones. I linked to the new ones because you claimed the NEW ONES differed from the old.

That was premised on your inability to tell the difference between old and new, given your pointless comparison between new and new (the W700). The rest of your argument is spurious as a result.

The only thing "premised" here, is that your entire argument is a huge strawman, based on the premise I mistook old for new, because you can only imagine one linking to old thinkpads for some odd reason.

If you have to misconstrue what I said to clinch your argument, then you don't have much to go on.

Says the bloke he has to construct a full-on strawman argument in order to save face.

In short, I know what they look like. And the new ones in their entirety look busier than the old. (And that judgement is final.)

First of, it's not a "judgment", and who the hell are you to "judge" that for all of us? You have your OPINION, and it's fine you're unwilling to alter that opinion, but then say that, instead of pretending your opinion is suddenly universal facts.

You don't actually have an argument to the contrary, besides pointing and saying "look! look!", so you're not going to convince me any time soon. Give up and move on.

Really, I linked to the new ones to show you that they're not busy. You continue to claim they're busy (across the board) haven't been backed up as of yet. On the contrary, you have now moved on to make belief your opinion is a universal truth.

 

[GGJstudios]

Yes but thats the problem. If we were pissed at alienware we could go to HP but who do you go to when you are pissed at apple? Nobody. They are the only ones selling OS X. So the only thing to do is point out their shortcomings and whine about it until they get off their lazy butts and sell what we customers want. Keep saying its ok for them to rip uss off with old crappy hardware and thats what they will keep on doing.

If you think Apple hardware is crappy, then don't buy it! Obviously, they're doing a pretty good job of giving their customers what they want, or they wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar company. Just because they don't cater to the whims of every single person doesn't mean they're lazy or have shortcomings.

Does Apple have shortcomings? Like every company ever created, of course!
Do they make mistakes? Like every company ever created, of course!
Do they have room for improvement? Like every company ever created, of course!

But to say they make "crappy" products or that they're lazy or that they "need to step up" just because they don't make a specific product that a minority of users wants is ludicrous! Your attitude reflects a naiveté about how successful business operates. When Apple starts changing their business model to satisfy people with your attitude, that's when I'll sell my stock, before it plummets.

And if you really think their hardware is crappy, how smart does that make you for buying it?

 

[Firefly2002]

Yes but thats the problem. If we were pissed at alienware we could go to HP but who do you go to when you are pissed at apple? Nobody. They are the only ones selling OS X. So the only thing to do is point out their shortcomings and whine about it until they get off their lazy butts and sell what we customers want. Keep saying its ok for them to rip uss off with old crappy hardware and thats what they will keep on doing.

*patpat*

You can run OS X on any new Intel-based PC

And saying they're selling us crappy hardware is a bit over the top. MBPs do not have crappy hardware (though the defective GPUs are arguably crappy.... if not their fault).

 

[Shot22]

That's funny I am so use to everyone saying the very same thing about the Mac Book Pro. I also will never understand why a mature professional adult man would buy a laptop based on looks, its not a ladies hand bag design to match your high heels and mini skirt my God is a working tool. The Lenovo is not aimed at teenage girls who want a laptop that matches their eye liner.

In most consumer electronics, the public wants products to look modern or futuristic. The fact that the Lenovo/IBM case design has barely changed in the past decade makes it seem outdated.

 

[therealmrbob]

I only read the first few posts, but uhh...

Lenevo is geared towards business.
It has a workstation graphics card.
and costs at least half of your limbs.
it's for people using cad, and other 3d software on the go.
It's not directed at the same group as mbp.
With that said, This does look like a great system. but comparing it to a macbook is just crazy.

and @ iMacmatician

It depends on how you take the "pro"

IMO it's just saying, yeah. it's a macbook with better specs.

btw, expecting a wocom tablet inside of a laptop is sort of odd IMO.

I don't know about you guys but to me the position looks awkward, and it would probably be hard to use.

and if you guys are talking about the quad core proc. being the reason it's not "pro" then you are probably very ignorant. anybody with half a brain knows quad-cores don't do too much for performance anyway.

 

[macenforcer]

In most consumer electronics, the public wants products to look modern or futuristic. The fact that the Lenovo/IBM case design has barely changed in the past decade makes it seem outdated.

LMFAO! The macbook pro case hasn't changed in this decade.

 

[Eddyisgreat]

and if you guys are talking about the quad core proc. being the reason it's not "pro" then you are probably very ignorant. anybody with half a brain knows quad-cores don't do too much for performance anyway.

Except with, ya know, multithreaded applications that were designed for such activities (various motion graphics, 3d and computation programs come to mind).

But MS Word probably won't utilize 16 cores and 4 gbs of ram.

 

[iMacmatician]

Except with, ya know, multithreaded applications that were designed for such activities (various motion graphics, 3d and computation programs come to mind).

And those applications are generally targeted at the pro segment.

LMFAO! The macbook pro case hasn't changed in this decade.

Except for when it went from titanium to aluminum.

 

[tmelvin]

If you think Apple hardware is crappy, then don't buy it! Obviously, they're doing a pretty good job of giving their customers what they want, or they wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar company. Just because they don't cater to the whims of every single person doesn't mean they're lazy or have shortcomings. Your attitude reflects a naiveté about how successful business operates. When Apple starts changing their business model to satisfy people with your attitude, that's when I'll sell my stock, before it plummets.

Well said, after M$ and IBM comes Apple. Ahead of RIM, DELL, etc. They're doing something right...Either that 100,000,000,000 people are really really dumb...

 

[Shot22]

LMFAO! The macbook pro case hasn't changed in this decade.

That's pretty true, but somehow it still looks futuristic and "sexy" in a way that no PCs do.

So, you're are calling Lenovo the new innovator only because they added a new feature (an enhanced touchpad) to a specialty laptop that has a base cost of $3000? You can't even compare Apple's laptops to that because that's not what they're trying to sell.

As a side note, Apple is rumored to be developing a glass trackpad for the MacBooks, which is just as impressive (if true).

 

[Firefly2002]

...Either that 100,000,000,000 people are really really dumb...

*Blinks*

Where are Earth's other 93,300,000,000 people hiding?