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The basic argument here is from two different world views...
all fanboy talk aside :rolleyes:

The PC world only talks about "hardware"... it all about bigger, faster, more Megahertz and Gigabytes, VRAM, video cards, gaming power, slots, ports, etc. and if you don't have the biggest, baddest, upgradeable MFing box.. you are a brain dead fanboy

The Apple world talks about "OS"... OSX to be exact. Stability, security, functionality, integration, elegance, and oh, btw, it runs on a pretty d**m good looking box with plenty of punch that will do everything I need

Look at it this way... I can have tricked out Mustang with a 600 horse engine, with headers, dual carbs, racing gear ratio, back seat full of the latest dolby surround sound speakers... (you get the point)... but the speed limit is 55 and all I really do is burn rubber between red lights and hope everybody looks at my bad ass MFing machine before I have to take in to do another tune up on it

OR... I can get in my F150 4X4 Lariat with leather seats, a sun roof and a towing package and actually haul some stuff around and do some work

But, but, but... look at the badass specs!
But, but, but... look at the size of that HD!
But, but, but... look at the video card
But, but, but... look at the games!! Crysis! WoW! Etc.


Yeah... I drive the F150... I don't play games

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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If you can't find a use for these specs then go buy a freaking MacBook mate.

This is the problem with the MBP, Apple fanboys who want whatever Apple deems the greatest but don't need pro specs mutate drag the MacBook Pro into the realms of an overpriced fashionable consumer item.
 
If you can't find a use for these specs then go buy a freaking MacBook mate.

This is the problem with the MBP, Apple fanboys who want whatever Apple deems the greatest but don't need pro specs mutate drag the MacBook Pro into the realms of an overpriced fashionable consumer item.

It isn't the specs... it has never been about the specs or hardware
It is the operating system
Apple's specs for the MBP are more than substantial

I think for myself, Apple doesn't dictate to me at all
I can choose Vista or OSX
I choose OSX, and I am willling to pay for it
If they had faster, bigger, meaner hardware, I would buy it too
But I won't give up OSX to get it

I don't want a MacBook "mate", I'm happy with my 17" MBP running Leopard

If you need those specs for your games, then go buy a freakin' Lenovo (to use your words)

This is the problem with PC fanboys who want to talk about specs and they can't understand why everyone doesn't jump on their bandwagon. No matter the specs, it runs Vista. It drives them crazy that somebody actually "thinks different".

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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Look, I can afford to buy any notebook I want
But lets be real, this is after all a Mac site, what do you expect?

It could be faster than a speeding bullet and able to leap tall buildings with a single bound and able to bend steel with it's mouse... but the bottom line to me is it runs VISTA (or it is the latest greatest using the ancient XP)

I buy for OSX... my MBP does everything I need AND it runs OSX
I don't have to download an update every 3 days for security
I don't have to update my AVG every day
I don't have to update my Defender every day
I don't have to use all that horsepower to scan in the background all day
I don't have to worry about everything sent to me in email
I don't have to worry about every site I visit
I could go on and on

So, if you want to come to a Mac site and extol all of the virtues of a PC that runs 0-60 in 1.8 seconds and gets 273 miles per gallon... so be it... but the bottom line is.. it is a PC and runs VISTA

Don't want it
Don't need it

If I did... I would buy one and not complain about the Mac not doing this or that... I would just get it

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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no one gives a damn about what you can afford its a message board open to anyone who wants to post here! The message board is open to the general public you don’t have to own a Mac to participate in discussion here.
 
Part of the reason Macs don't come with the absolute bleeding edge of hardware is that OS X doesn't need it to perform well. :)
 
no one gives a damn about what you can afford its a message board open to anyone who wants to post here! The message board is open to the general public you don’t have to own a Mac to participate in discussion here.

I think his point was that he could buy a 17" Notebook from HP, Lenovo, whoever, and max it out, and cost is not an issue. But in the end, he'd prefer to have an MB/MBP because it runs OS X, even though spec wise the Windows based system is 2 to 3 times faster [spec wise, not OS wise].

I happen to agree with the logic. I could have bought a 14" or 15" notebook with far better specs [more HDD, RAM, Video, etc.] than that of my MB. But I'd have to run Windows [Sorry, can't do the Linux Dance...I've tried]. I'd rather have the ability to run OS X on a lesser spec'd system, and also have the flexibility of running XP/Vista via bootcamp or virtual....

My 2c
 
no one gives a damn about what you can afford its a message board open to anyone who wants to post here! The message board is open to the general public you don’t have to own a Mac to participate in discussion here.

So discuss... don't attack

When price is constantly an issue about Apple products v. Dell, et. al., then the point does need to be made about what is and is not affordable to a user. My point is, I can buy any spec machine, and so can others... price point isn't the issue for me... functionality is. My choice is not made on price, nor is it made on specs, it is made on the OS, because it works for me. Others are free to make their own choice.

But for some to come to a Mac site to promote a Windows PC as "better"... well, expect some opinions that differ from that conclusion

It isn't just about hardware, it is about the integration of hardware and OS

I'm not questioning anyone's right to post... feel free.
But make a point, not just an attack.

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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My choice is not made on price, nor is it made on specs, it is made on the OS, because it works for me. Others are free to make their own choice.

A lot of Windows users haven't got round that concept yet. Apple innovates. Apple ships. The complete package, the OS the hardware the software, the experience, the retail shops, the customer and product care- it's all there.

Some people will be suited to other products, but for those that are suited for Apple products, the overwhelming majority have a great time with them. Hence the outstanding customer satisfaction figures.

Adding a Wacom minitablet isn't innovation. The moves Apple is likely to make for multi-touch? More like whole ranges getting that kind of gear, and i'll bet it'll look a damn site better, for probably being integrated with the touch pad, rather than having them separately.
 
With the exception of the new quad cores, the MBPs are as fast as anything else ou there.

No, their graphics cards aren't the fastest (nor could they be, given the form factor), but then, very few graphics cards are gonna be fast in a year or so if nVidia has anything to say about it (boom).

I dont' get all this blustering about specs. Yeah you an have more than 4 GB of RAM... that doesn't make it faster in 99% of all situations.

Yeah you can have up to a 2.8 GHz CPU. You'd never notice the diff between that and 2.5.

So ffs, quit whining.

The point is.... nVidia... has kind of screwed us all.
 
Part of the reason Macs don't come with the absolute bleeding edge of hardware is that OS X doesn't need it to perform well. :)
It's not the OS, it's the apps. I find it hard to believe that pro software would run slower on a quad-core CPU on a PC than on a dual-core CPU on a Mac. I also find it hard to believe that PC apps and Vista use 2x~4x the RAM and 2x~3x the HD space of equivalent Mac apps and Mac OS X.
 
This is the problem with PC fanboys who want to talk about specs and they can't understand why everyone doesn't jump on their bandwagon. No matter the specs, it runs Vista. It drives them crazy that somebody actually "thinks different".

It appears you define "thinks different" as "agrees with MacDawg". If we want to talk about specs then we're "PC fanboys" in your world. What you're basically saying is that you think we should sit back and swallow whatever Apple hands us without thinking about it. So much for thinking different, how about thinking at all?

The closest I've seen to people saying "go and run vista" on this thread is in your posts here. The point people are trying to make is that other vendors are coming out with new hardware and fugly as it might be, they are putting a lot of interesting stuff into their kit.

I wouldn't buy this Lenovo or the Dell monster either, but they do show what can be done in a (just about) mobile framework. I find that interesting. I also think any Mac owner with an ounce of common sense knows full well that Apple aren't going to produce clones of those other computers because Apple just don't go into that "brute force and ignorance" end of things. If Apple do produce something that high end, it'll be much more focussed, won't have useless shiny like built in wacom tablets, and it'll probably still split the opinions of every mac forum user in the world down the middle.

But at the same time people can get curious and excited, and maybe a little expectant. If PC boxshifters can do stuff like that then what can a talented PC designer like Apple do?
 
With the exception of the new quad cores, the MBPs are as fast as anything else ou there.

No, their graphics cards aren't the fastest (nor could they be, given the form factor), but then, very few graphics cards are gonna be fast in a year or so if nVidia has anything to say about it (boom).

I dont' get all this blustering about specs. Yeah you an have more than 4 GB of RAM... that doesn't make it faster in 99% of all situations.

Yeah you can have up to a 2.8 GHz CPU. You'd never notice the diff between that and 2.5.

So ffs, quit whining.

The point is.... nVidia... has kind of screwed us all.

It's interesting to see Lenovo are still using nvidia in this... thing.
It's pretty clearly somewhere between a product with a very narrow focus indeed and a concept platform "look what we made! I can has government / big corporate orders now plz?"
 
It's not the OS, it's the apps. I find it hard to believe that pro software would run slower on a quad-core CPU on a PC than on a dual-core CPU on a Mac. I also find it hard to believe that PC apps and Vista use 2x~4x the RAM and 2x~3x the HD space of equivalent Mac apps and Mac OS X.

That debate could go on and on until the end of time. There are apps that can run better on a Mac vs. a better equipped PC, and be smaller in size. The opposite is true too. If you look at the specs of XP thru Vista [including SP's], and what they require to run, the trend is more. They may say it'll run on 512KB RAM, with a recommended amount, but they always require a lot more. Typically a comparable Mac will run quite nicely on 1 or 2 Gig's of RAM for some time...

I don't think this argument [or discussion] has a "one size fits all" answer...
 
I think the issue is that Apple won't cater to the high end market. Yes yes no one would buy a FuglyBook Pro , well I would, but I would like to have a beefy portable for use on Mac OS X because currently, I cannot, unless I want to jump through a few hoops to get OSX86 working (which works great on a few of my boxes) but have the pleasure of going into the genious bar when I need something replaced, or knowing that when I switch into boot camp I can get some decent gaming action.

Apple has engineered one heck of a machine, but all their offerings with the exception of the Power Mac are geared towards consumers, even my macbook pro. The MBP has a good following in the photography market , and even the photoshop engineers I know utilize MBPs on a daily basis.

I've upgraded it to 4 gb's, got the 512 mb vram version (Which has proven itself for Photoshop CS4) and plan on getting a 7200 rpm drive (i'd get 10k or 15 k but they don't make em in a compatible size, do they?)

But come onn..... no biometrics? No smart card capabilities? No esata? No Blu-Ray? No Quadro/FireGL?

I dont care if you think these functions are passe or useless. I would LOVE to have these options available. I use them on my work's thinkpad like its not funny (except blu-ray), and they intergrate into my workflow very nicely.

They call it a Pro machine, but I would have to argue that it does NOT offer pro level functionality for highly sophistocated deployements, hardware wise.

I see alot of these offers are standard on cheaper , fuglier boxes. Yeah, I could purchase them, but why? I use vista at work (ick) and troll around Windows Server 2008 all day, but I don't want to be seen with it out in public.

Even their budget mac(book) has similar offerings to the MBP. I know it utilizes the same chipset as a macbook (with the exception of the GPU) which allows it the same processor, mem, HD interface ect ect. But my idea of pro isn't exactly a backlit keyboard, 1" or so thickness and a GPU.

The MBP is a sexy little machine. But alas, its mostly bark, and for a flagship product, it has little bite.
 
It appears you define "thinks different" as "agrees with MacDawg". If we want to talk about specs then we're "PC fanboys" in your world. What you're basically saying is that you think we should sit back and swallow whatever Apple hands us without thinking about it. So much for thinking different, how about thinking at all?

The closest I've seen to people saying "go and run vista" on this thread is in your posts here. The point people are trying to make is that other vendors are coming out with new hardware and fugly as it might be, they are putting a lot of interesting stuff into their kit.

If you look closely at my post, my comments were specifically directed at Yixian's diatribe and were simply meant to mirror that wording, angst and argument. It was a form of parody so to speak.

If you can't find a use for these specs then go buy a freaking MacBook mate.

This is the problem with the MBP, Apple fanboys who want whatever Apple deems the greatest but don't need pro specs mutate drag the MacBook Pro into the realms of an overpriced fashionable consumer item.

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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Everybody is missing out on two other main features of this laptop, besides the tablet:

- Built-in color calibrator
- Much wider display gamut.
 
I think the issue is that Apple won't cater to the high end market. Yes yes no one would buy a FuglyBook Pro , well I would...

You're right, Apple isn't going to cater to the (notebook) high-end. Or, ultra high-end. It's too much of a niche market, especially when you're talking quad-core Quadro 3700M lappys. It's also not Apple. Their laptops have always been relatively aesthetically pleasing and svelte. Okay, the first one they made was really pretty fugly, but that was 1991 (I think).

Apple has engineered one heck of a machine, but all their offerings with the exception of the Power Mac are geared towards consumers, even my macbook pro.

Nah, Power Macs were Prosumer. The 9600, I'd argue was a cut above Prosumer, especially the uber-expensive 9600/350, but other than that, mostly not. Unless you meant Mac Pro :D

I've upgraded it to 4 gb's, got the 512 mb vram version (Which has proven itself for Photoshop CS4) and plan on getting a 7200 rpm drive (i'd get 10k or 15 k but they don't make em in a compatible size, do they?)

Sounds good. I do think they should have at least 8 GB RAM total possible. 4 GB doesn't seem like enough for future (or even current) headroom. 8 GB seems like a great number. And no, there aren't any 10K or 15K RPM drives that I know of. The velociraptor as I'm sure you know is too tall (and likely too hot). Also don't forget you're seriously sacrificing platter size (both in GBs and literally) since they need to make the platters thinner to run at those higher speeds.

But come onn..... no biometrics? No smart card capabilities? No esata? No Blu-Ray? No Quadro/FireGL?

What's bioetrics? Like finger-scanning or something? Never heard the term. If it's finger-scanning, then meh. Smart card capabilities I totally agree with you... it's ridiculous not to have a smart-card reader built into the MBP., especially given as you mentioned the large number of photographers who use them.

Blu-Ray.. ehhhhh.... it should be optional. Quadro/FireGL? That's another seriously niche market. How many people do you think do that kind of CAD that would take advantage of a workstation graphics card? 2%? 5% max? They're expensive as hell (due to price inflation, of course, not due to anything special about them).

They call it a Pro machine, but I would have to argue that it does NOT offer pro level functionality for highly sophistocated deployements, hardware wise.

I feel like people are getting tripped up over the "Pro" in the name. It's just a PowerBook that now uses an Intel CPU (and chipset). It's still aimed at the same market, the prosumer.

Even their budget mac(book) has similar offerings to the MBP. I know it utilizes the same chipset as a macbook (with the exception of the GPU) which allows it the same processor, mem, HD interface ect ect. But my idea of pro isn't exactly a backlit keyboard, 1" or so thickness and a GPU.

Yeah, agreed again. I can't say it's not annoying to have a much cheaper MB basically on par in terms of performance as the MBP. I think maybe they should leave more of a gap in CPU speed between the MB and MBP and use the slower CPU speed in the MB to drop prices more.
 
It's kind of funny how many software developers writing apps for Windows show up at conferences with Macbook Pros. Or how many advertising departments from Madison Ave. to LA to the tv networks use Macbook Pros. Or how many professionals show up at their business meetings with Macbook Pros, or at wifi hotspots with their clients sporting Macbook Pros. And on and on... like here...

It kind of makes you wonder what is meant by the term "pro?" Pro what? Athlete? 'Pro'grammer? Game player? Lawyer? Manager? Photographer? Designer? Producer? Musician? IT guy? ... anyway, the whole 'pro' thing is a bit silly to be arguing about...

As far as stuffing all the latest off-the-shelf spec hardware and software (including OS) into a chassis - what's the big deal? Anyone can do that, even Acer or probably Wal-mart if they chose to offer a computer. Just have some contract manufacturer whip up a laptop case, stuff all the latest gear in it, make sure it has a massive fan, price it competitively with a MBP and watch the pc mags rave about it. It kind of misses the point of what the appeal of the MBP is. It's not for everyone, so if you'd rather go the Lenovo tank route, nothing is stopping anyone - so what's the beef?

I had a Lincoln Continental once that had every kind of electrical device known to man installed - and the thing (car) was humongous... a real boat. It was comfy, but in the end not really practical, too expensive, too unwieldy, to unreliable, too much of a pain-in-the-youknowwhat.

I'm with Macdog - it's nice to know I can get a bulked up Dell or Lenovo if I ever need one, but until that day I'll stick with my smooth, BMW-ish MBP equipped with OSX (running VMware Fusion for those exceedingly rare times when I absolutely need Windows, which I'll run as an 'instance' within OSX instead of as a booted OS.)

Having used a Thinkpad A series for years, I have respect for the IT serviceability of the multi-spindle units, modular components and awesome keyboards. But... until it can run OSX and say IBM on it... I'm done with them.

I don't think I insulted anybody here, including visiting PC folks, but if I did, I'm sorry... just trying to dialog here.
 
OK, if you're the type that rather enjoys reading flames and insults, skip this post; there aren't any.
If you haven't yet matured to the point that you would consider opening your mind to new ideas and new ways of thinking, skip this post; it won't support your "My mind's made up! Don't confuse me with the facts!" mentality.
If, however, you're the type that thinks, "I believe I'm right, but it's possible there's a better way of thinking .... I'll read and consider carefully, then decide whether to adopt even a part of what's offered", then read on! :)

What really gets old is the fact that when people discuss the facts of Mac OS X's numerous advantages over Windows, or the many positive aspects of Apple hardware, those who are less well-informed eventually run out of logical, fact-based responses and resort to calling people "fanboys". Similar to a child who's losing an argument and finally, in frustration, says something like, "I hate you!" Temper tantrums aren't terribly cute.

If you're going to use an insult, at LEAST try to learn what it means!

fanboy |ˈfanˌboi|
noun
informal derogatory an obsessive male fan.

obsess |əbˈses|
verb [ trans. ] (usu. be obsessed)
preoccupy or fill the mind of (someone) continually, intrusively, and to a troubling extent.

Just because someone is in these forums, discussing a topic, doesn't mean they're obsessed in any way with Apple or its products. It simply means that they have an opinion (usually based in fact and experience) that relates to the discussion at hand. That doesn't mean that they're constantly preoccupied with thoughts of shiny aluminum (or polycarbonate) computers. It simply means that, when it comes to computers, they have strong opinions based on personal experience or knowledge.

male |māl|
adjective
relating to or characteristic of men or male animals; masculine

Not everyone who uses a Mac is a male.
Not everyone who uses a Mac is under 25.
Not everyone who uses a Mac is into gaming.
Not everyone who uses a Mac is a "newbie" when it comes to computers.
Not everyone who uses a Mac is uninformed about the many disadvantages of using Windows.

fan2 |føn| |fan|
noun
someone who has an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking of a sporting club, person, group of persons, company, product, work of art, idea, or trend.

I'm a fan of Harley-Davidson. I wear Harley t-shirts and leather jackets. I ride to motorcycle rallies and hang out with other bikers who enjoy riding Harleys. And yes, I've own Harleys for many years. Even so, I don't obsess about Harleys 24/7, and I respect other peoples' appreciation for and loyalty to Ducati or Triumph or other brands. There's a lot more to life than what you ride or drive or wear or what computer you use or what you do for recreation.

I don't have a Mac or Apple t-shirt. I don't have a Mac tattoo. I don't join "Apple fan clubs" or go to Apple or Mac events. I spend a LOT more time at Harley dealerships than I do at the Apple store. I joined this forum, not as a "fan", but as a computer user who wanted to share information about a business tool, to share my knowledge and gain knowledge from others.

I've used personal computers since they were first invented, and mainframe computers before that, so I have more than 37 years of experience with computers. That's longer than many in these forums have been alive.... times 2! I've started and owned several successful technology companies, including one that sold IBM PCs when they first hit the market, and another that provided NeXT hardware, software and technical support to major corporations, including the largest NeXT network in the world. I've been a computer/database consultant and business information management consultant for many years. I've spent years providing technical desktop support, technical training and database design to Windows users.

I have no need to brag about anything I've accomplished in my life, and I could care less about impressing anyone. Those were my choices, not made for others. I only mention it so you know that my appreciation of Macs comes from many years of in-depth experience with Windows, not from some uninformed, unquestioning loyalty to Apple or Steve Jobs or anything else. I researched Macs for more than a year before deciding to switch, so it was a decision based in facts, not some emotional attachment to Apple hardware or software. I'm sure many in these forums who like Apple and Macs come from similar backgrounds.

Now that I think of it, I wonder if part of what made Apple and the Mac appealing to me was the fact that, like Harley-Davidson, Apple doesn't "follow the crowd". This Mac vs PC discussion sounds more and more familiar to me. It reminds me of the throngs of crotch-rocket riders who love to talk about how fast their bikes are, or how much horsepower they have, or how far they can pull a wheelie. (similar to some PC users who rave about the capabilities of the hardware they buy.) There's nothing wrong with that enthusiasm. Where it crosses the line, though, is when praising your own "stuff" isn't enough, and you start bashing those with different viewpoints, just because they don't agree with you. Some in the crotch-rocket crowd resort to making negative comments about Harleys being unreliable (VERY old reputation that died in the 60s) or how they use out-of-date technology or they're too expensive. (Sound familiar, Mac owners?)

People often ask, "Why spend $20K-$30K or more for a Harley, when you can get a faster, more technically advanced bike at half the price?" Those people haven't been on both sides. They haven't experienced what it's like to be part of the Harley "family" or how it feels when you pull up and park in a line of bikes and everyone passes the crotch rockets and wants to have their picture taken in front of your Harley. They don't know what it's like to have a flat tire on the side of the road and count 3 or 4 or more crotch-rockets that fly right by, but you can't count even 2 Harleys.... because the first one stops to help.

I know you may be wondering what Harleys have to do with Macs. Well, something we bikers learned may apply to us Mac owners as well. There's a famous t-shirt that simply says:

Harley-Davidson: If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand.​

Maybe we just need to give PC owners time to discover for themselves why we appreciate Apple, Macs and Mac OS X.
 
Its that powerful because its a brick.

Thicker, heavier, longer, wider than the 17" MBP.

As a photographer with my laptop on my back for some of the day.

NO THANKS!!

Stick with my 15" MBP.
 
It's not the OS, it's the apps.

I think each feeds off the other, personally.

I find OS X to be much more...elegant...then Windows. It needs less resources (CPU, GPU and memory) to get the jobs I ask of it done.

I believe this sense of "elegance" partially translates into the applications developed to work under OS X. It also helps that the APIs and such of OS X are significantly more polished then the mish-mash that is the current Windows API model which in and of itself will help foster better code.

I also believe that, being such a smaller total market, developers of OS X applications need to work hard to make their applications as polished as possible to garner significant sales. On the Windows platform, with hundreds of millions of installed systems, even clunky/junky applications can sell in the millions.

I believe the bar is also set a bit higher now also because of the ability of folks to run Windows on their Macs side-by-side (via VM) with OS X. An application not only has to be better then it's OS X peers to sell well, it also needs to be better then what is available on Windows. I still use Windows for two core applications - photo management (ACDSee) and MP3 tagging (Tag & Rename) because no native OS X application I have found can match them (and I have certainly tried to find one).
 
what is the new fad of off center touchpads? i dont get it.

also wats the big grey box next to it?

ive also never like the feel of these things at all
 
it starts at $2,970, probably get's 45 minutes of battery life, and looks like it came from 1995.

built in wacom tablet? who the hell cares, it's not big enough to be useful for an actual graphic designer. gimmick.
 
They call it a Pro machine, but I would have to argue that it does NOT offer pro level functionality for highly sophistocated deployements, hardware wise.
...
But my idea of pro isn't exactly a backlit keyboard, 1" or so thickness and a GPU.

The MBP is a sexy little machine. But alas, its mostly bark, and for a flagship product, it has little bite.
Completely agreed.

Why is there no 1680·1050 option on the 15"?
Why is there no Quadro FX option?
Why does it have to be 1" thin and 5.4 lb? External hard drives take up space and weight.
Why can't the 17" at least be thicker and have 4 RAM slots and/or 2 HD bays? (The 17" is generally used as a desktop replacement anyway.)

A number of people have mentioned that, with the MacBook going to aluminum, it would end up fairly close to the MacBook Pro, even close enough so that Apple might as well combine the two lines into one "MacBook" line, with 13", 15", and 17" sizes.

This is assuming that the MacBook Pro stays at the current level of "proness."

If Apple wants to create a significant distinction between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro, they would need to make the MacBook Pro a lot better. One possibility is that the MacBook Pro just gets a large spec bump. The CPU and HDD can definitely be increased. Another possibility is that the MacBook Pro has a number of standard or BTO options that are significantly different from the MacBook's options, like a Quadro FX or a high-res display.

A third possibility is that the MacBook replaces the MacBook Pro as the "main" portable, like how the iMac is the "main" desktop. This would imply that the MacBook Pro would be pushed higher (≈$2500~$3000) and the MacBook would have a discrete GPU and other formerly MacBook Pro-only features. This basically means the MacBook Pro would become more like the Mac Pro in terms of feature type (Quadro FX etc.). Or, it could just stay where it is now, and the MacBook would have similar features (Intel GMA, 13" display) but higher specs.

It kind of makes you wonder what is meant by the term "pro?" Pro what? Athlete? 'Pro'grammer? Game player?
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