SDColorado
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No doubt. Lots of options in the 15-17” market, many with 4K displays. No this is our 15” laptop, like it or lump like Apple 🙂
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No doubt. Lots of options in the 15-17” market, many with 4K displays. No this is our 15” laptop, like it or lump like Apple 🙂
I also like to use the touch screen with CAD software. I feel like Iron Man.
SDColorado
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Touch screen gets a bit trickier. I believe only the Dell XPS 2-1 is touch? Razer isn’t. Not sure about the 4K MSI models. Lenovo and SB2 are, but I am sure there are others I am forgetting
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Indeed, I like the Dell, and I really liked the Razer, though it had a few short comings that resulted in my decision to return it.
I cycle to work so 13 inch is OK for me but if I diddnt have a separate monitor in client site I'll be pissed
SDColorado
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That definitely makes sense. I originally purchased the 13" because it fits better in my motorcycle panniers, but found it too small for general computing, so decided to go with that 15" + SP5 combo. That has been working for me.
But to be honest, the main reason I did the combo wasn't due to the 15" not fitting it the panniers. It was due to the display issues with the 2013 MBP I used to carry on the bike. Apple suggested that carrying it on the bike might be causing the keys to impact the screen on bumps, etc. Only Apple could design a non-portable laptop and think that's OK. Hey, as long as it's thin and looks good at Starbucks right? ͡° ͜ʖ ͡ -
O yes I'm done with apple. They have ****ed up big time on there current laptops.
U use two laptops? If a 15inch and a surface pro?
I work in the library often. The last time I had the X1E in the library, people around me were looking at me when the jet engine noise issue happened. Don't want this to happen again.
SDColorado
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Yeah, I am looking for a replacement for the 15" . I gave my 2016 to my wife when hers died, thinking I wouldn't miss it, but I do. The SP5 is a great portable device, but I find the dual-core CPU and integrated graphics don't have the horsepower for heavy lifting. The SP6 would work better, but I still want a 15" with a dGPU.
Edit: Might look at a 17" as well since if I am portable with it, I will take the SP or will be commuting by car and what it weighs or how big is it becomes secondary.
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IF they were really looking at me, I would think that they obviously don't have enough to do to keep their minds off it. Or maybe I am just that darned good looking hahaha 😉
My macbook pro is like that. Heck my work mates new i9 macbook pro when his doing a build on his ios project is very loud.
c0ppo
macrumors 68000
i7 model
1TB SSD
32GB RAM
FHD
1850$. 4 days old. From USA.
I couldn't resist, even though I would love 4K, for this price and configuration, I really think it was a killer deal, and a excellent christmas + new year + birthday (I'm born on 1.1.) present. Ordered to my friends place in NY, he will have it delivered to me without me having pay customs.
In a 6 months - 1 year, 4K panels will be available to purchase from Lenovo or some chinese obscure website. Will order that as well, and replace the FHD version. Gotta love Lenovo for parts, they are the best in business by far.
I will make sure samsung 970 EVO 1TB is awaiting my new laptop as well, 1TB for Windows, 1TB for Arch Linux. That way I can have the best of both worlds. Thought about selling X1C, but nope, I will hand that one down to my wife. She will make use of it, since she is still using her MBP from 2010. She won't be glad to move away from MBP, but she listens to me. At least in tech part, otherwise, well... 😀
1TB SSD
32GB RAM
FHD
1850$. 4 days old. From USA.
I couldn't resist, even though I would love 4K, for this price and configuration, I really think it was a killer deal, and a excellent christmas + new year + birthday (I'm born on 1.1.) present. Ordered to my friends place in NY, he will have it delivered to me without me having pay customs.
In a 6 months - 1 year, 4K panels will be available to purchase from Lenovo or some chinese obscure website. Will order that as well, and replace the FHD version. Gotta love Lenovo for parts, they are the best in business by far.
I will make sure samsung 970 EVO 1TB is awaiting my new laptop as well, 1TB for Windows, 1TB for Arch Linux. That way I can have the best of both worlds. Thought about selling X1C, but nope, I will hand that one down to my wife. She will make use of it, since she is still using her MBP from 2010. She won't be glad to move away from MBP, but she listens to me. At least in tech part, otherwise, well... 😀
I'm waiting to see if they will revolutionise the cooling system of these laptops as I think they could be improved imo
As I mentioned before, they asked me for my feedback on their "1st generation" product.
SDColorado
macrumors 601
One thing I think is crazy with the MBP is that if it restarts and you don’t log in, the temp will just keep ramping up. I guess it has the same issue with pre-login that it does in BootCamp?
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
I can't speak for Lenovo, but many of the computer makers chose not to revamp the cooling when they added Coffee Lake. Razer did that, using the vapor chamber, and even then the fans still needed to have some aggressive fan usage. The issue as I see it, as that these laptops are in a thinner enclosure (I blame apple), and yet these CPU and GPUs are generating much more heat then the prior generations.
Speaking for Lenovo, since they just came out with the the X1E, they will not be making any manufacturing changes, and from what I've read (but not used), the 1XE does have sufficient cooling. The fans are doing the job they were intended to do, some people may not like the noise.
I have the base model MBP and I admittedly don't push the CPU, so for my tasks its whisper quiet, but on occasion when I have pushed the CPU the fan noise is quite noticeable.
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The issue is not that Lenovo implemented an inferior cooling solution, but rather the use of the Coffee Lake processors and the Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti. If you look at all similarly equipped laptops you will find that all of them run rather toasty and all have issues with heat to some degree - even the Razer got rather hot under load. You cannot get away with a 6 core processor and a potent GPU and not have fan noise.
If you want a powerful laptop, you have to deal with fan noise. Just as @ stated, that occurs with the MBP. I would bet that even if you equip the X1E with the base processor i5-8400H, you will have fan noise. Its not a cooler running process, its TDP is 45w, you have two less processors but you also have the same GPU, so the fans will still need to ramp up
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For some reason, at boot up there's something that starts up and goes that really pushes the temps. I guess that process doesn't terminate until you log in ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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SDColorado
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Agreed. It definitely does seem adequate from my experience. Having had both the X1E and the MBP side by side for a while, I would say that the X1E is designed to be more aggressive in cooling. The fans come on earlier, they ramp up faster, they keep the machine overall cooler than the MBP. But that does come at the cost of the noise of course. The MBP can get quite loud as well when the fans are going full blast, but the threshold is higher, so you won't hear it as often if you aren't pushing the machine. Likewise setting the Lenovo to Best Battery mode will also cause it to run quieter.
The best combo of a relatively powerful laptop without a lot of fan noise might be the Surface Book 2. Using the U type processors they have a TPD of 15w for the 13" and 20w for the 15", which can run higher in bursts. Combined with a 1050 (2GB) or 1060 (6GB) it is probably the closest to an ideal of power with relatively quiet operation. Particularly the 13" which I believe is fanless in the top portion, but even the 15" when running hard, sounds more like little air nozzle overhead in the cabin than it does a jet engine. You can hear some air moving, but not really the fans.
I haven't tested the theory but does it eventually time out if you don't log in? Otherwise, I find it a little frightening that if you don't remember to shut it down every time you walk away, that it could potentially be doing that for hours, maybe even days.
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SDColorado
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It is possible. Sometimes they will change the defaults for fans and such in BIOS. Did you also check for driver updates after doing the BIOS update? Sometimes manufacturers will also release supplemental updates to fan drivers and such after a BIOS update.
Updating the BIOS without also updating the fan driver (if there is an update available ) could also result in unexpected fan behavior
Edit: In the case of Lenovo, one of the more recent updates (12/10/18) has been the Lenovo Intelligent Thermal Solution Driver.
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maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
They did that for a reason, if they felt the laptop was running to hot, they would adjust the profile so the fans kick in faster. Apple has done this in the past as well.
So are you returning the Yoga? I'm not following a lot of what is going on.
Yes. The WQHD screen resolution is a bit small for my work. Touch screen does not work 100% of the time (is this normal for Windows laptops?) and for very strange reason, the size of an ALT key is smaller than the other. That key is always brigher than the rest of the keyboard. If I did not buy an IPP, I would choose it as my tablet.
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New BIOS coming out on Monday that fixes this issue. In the meantime don’t screw with the bios and your graphic card
SDColorado
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Nope. That's like asking if it is overkill having an 8" and 10" crescent wrench, sometimes it is a matter of different tools for different jobs 🙂
My MBP i9 is dead silent till I max out the cpu on it for rendering. Now my XPS 15 spins up for no reason and gets loud at times on it's own.