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Lenovo X1 Extreme
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Most companies end sales/discounts right before a new product announcement since demand will be higher.
Has anyone tried any of the Linux distros on X1E?
I've managed to set everything up on Pop_os, but sleep/hibernate doesn't work at all. If I close the lid, laptop will drain battery, and it will drain it rather fast. I've installed TLP, but to no avail
I've managed to set everything up on Pop_os, but sleep/hibernate doesn't work at all. If I close the lid, laptop will drain battery, and it will drain it rather fast. I've installed TLP, but to no avail
Do you have the S3 enabeled?Has anyone tried any of the Linux distros on X1E?
I've managed to set everything up on Pop_os, but sleep/hibernate doesn't work at all. If I close the lid, laptop will drain battery, and it will drain it rather fast. I've installed TLP, but to no avail
I did a google and saw mention of that on some lenovos
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-...oga-3rd-Gen/m-p/4242717/highlight/true#M11869
https://brauner.github.io/2018/09/08/thinkpad-6en-s3.html
@maflynn
One other problem I had was with fan noise. Fans would spin under pop_os like crazy, without even turning on a single app.
Managed to configure TLP finally, with some undervolting and installing and adjusting thinkfan, everything works like a charm!
Now my fans will turn on just when my CPU is above 65c. Still have to get the GPU to behave nicely, but GPU fans don't turn on as much, just when I'm using Unity3D heavily.
So far, this is a great laptop. Build quality is superb, excellent port selection, and even the FHD screen is really good. Of course, not MBP good, or X1C HDR good, but way better then I expected. And after configuring nVidia drivers, fans, battery life, etc., everything works under linux like a charm. Except sleep. But I will deal with that as soon as I get better (flu...).
My plan is to use Manjaro or Pop_OS most of the time, Windows when I need to. I got windows desktop workstation up and running already.
One other problem I had was with fan noise. Fans would spin under pop_os like crazy, without even turning on a single app.
Managed to configure TLP finally, with some undervolting and installing and adjusting thinkfan, everything works like a charm!
Now my fans will turn on just when my CPU is above 65c. Still have to get the GPU to behave nicely, but GPU fans don't turn on as much, just when I'm using Unity3D heavily.
So far, this is a great laptop. Build quality is superb, excellent port selection, and even the FHD screen is really good. Of course, not MBP good, or X1C HDR good, but way better then I expected. And after configuring nVidia drivers, fans, battery life, etc., everything works under linux like a charm. Except sleep. But I will deal with that as soon as I get better (flu...).
My plan is to use Manjaro or Pop_OS most of the time, Windows when I need to. I got windows desktop workstation up and running already.
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I endured something similar with the razer, and undervolting and using the passive cooling options largely handled the fan noise.
I'm hoping for the next generation they bump up the X1 Extreme to the 9th generation intel chips, and include a nVidia RTX 2060! Also, get rid of the glossy screen!
I'll post a small review in a few days. But FHD is of no concern, it's matte display, and I had 0 issues with it so far. Of course, I would love it to be at least 1440p, everyone who has used high density display on any laptop could tell this one isn't high density. But other then that, it's a great display.
The only thing that scares me about the Razer is I've heard their quality control is terrible compared to other major brands. If I'm shelling out ~$2500 for a laptop it better last at least five years.
But that Mercury edition...
In case of any issue, you're dealing with amazon, not razer. Easy money returns or swaps.
Any problem with the laptop and u can send it back to amazon without a fuss
Interesting, how long of a warranty does Amazon usually give?
If it's decent, I'll definitely put the Razer on top of my list!
Thanks!
If it's decent, I'll definitely put the Razer on top of my list!
Thanks!
About a year in the UK. I actually sent my razer blade stealth 2017 back after 11 months of heavy use. Nothing wrong with it. Just wanted a 4 core one lol and asked if I could exchange it for the razer blade 2018. They said they can't but can refund me instead...
I got a dell xps 13 instead.. I had to return that too. Because of loud fan noise. Got a replacement for free and its been rock solid since
I just found a really good deal on a "like new" manufacturer refurbished X1 Extreme on Amazon w/ 4K, i7-8850H, 512, 16GB for $1699, so I'm choosing this over the x360. The P1 and X1 4K displays seem to get really high marks, and I like how user upgradable these laptops are.
I've never bought a refurbished computer before. This one is listed as factory sealed by Lenovo with a 1 year warranty, and the the seller has 100% positive rating. *fingers crossed*
I've never bought a refurbished computer before. This one is listed as factory sealed by Lenovo with a 1 year warranty, and the the seller has 100% positive rating. *fingers crossed*
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Passing on savings for those contemplating the X1E, all credit goes to @bobbie424242 for posting this in another thread.- https://amp.laptopmag.com/articles/30-percent-thinkpad-extreme-laptops
This post is turning into a stream of conscience thought, so please forgive the rambling nature.
I've said numerous times that if Lenovo came out earlier I would have picked that over the MBP, now that I have the opportunity.
Razer vs. Lenovo. My budget is about 2k, give or take and because of that, the 4k option on the Razer at nearly $3,000 is way out of my price range. Design, looks and feel do mean a lot to me. I'm not trying to sound snobby but a nice design is important, and that was one of the factors in the past for the MBP, I simply liked the design.
Razer Pros:
Chroma keyboard design, nice feel. Odd placement of the question mark key
512GB storage
FHD matte display 144Hz refresh
Decent battery life
RTX 2060 GPU
Better thermal management
Fans not too loud
Warranty, 1 year, extended 3 full year available
Customer support, decent and seems to be getting better. My expectation was a bit lower when I did contact them but I was pleasantly surprised
Crapware: none
Lenovo:
Just about the best keyboard on the market, even if it doesn't have the light changing eye candy that on paper shouldn't be important
1TB storage
4k/60Hz glossy touch screen
Decent battery life
GTX 1050Ti
purportedly runs hotter
Fans reportedly much louder
Warranty, 1 year, extended 4 year available.
Customer support, seems decent, but I've heard of some people having some issues with them. My expectation is higher and there may be room for disappointment if I need them
crapware: ???
Usage: 75 percent sitting on the desk, 25 percent mobile. When on the desk, I will have a monitor (old 24" apple cinema display) and external keyboard. So does that mitigate some of the advantages or concerns of either model? I am interested in getting into more gaming in all honesty and I don't think that's a made up motivation for the Razer, I've been thinking about that prior to CES and the announcements. This was another reason why I was getting a bit more disappointed with the Mac, windows performance and game performance.
In doing more research, I found that getting drivers for the Lenovo can be a pain, but I've not heard anything similar for the Razer. If I get the RTX2060, I most certainly will be on the bleeding edge, since they will be one of the first laptops out with the new GPU.
[doublepost=1547646583][/doublepost]Edit, looking at the benchmarks for gaming, the 3d Mark firestrike benchmark has the Lenovo at 6,127 (using the Mobile Tech Review benchmarks), my old razer had 10,461 (gtx 1060) and my MBP had 4104. So that puts the Lenovo smack in the middle performance wise.
This post is turning into a stream of conscience thought, so please forgive the rambling nature.
I've said numerous times that if Lenovo came out earlier I would have picked that over the MBP, now that I have the opportunity.
Razer vs. Lenovo. My budget is about 2k, give or take and because of that, the 4k option on the Razer at nearly $3,000 is way out of my price range. Design, looks and feel do mean a lot to me. I'm not trying to sound snobby but a nice design is important, and that was one of the factors in the past for the MBP, I simply liked the design.
Razer Pros:
Chroma keyboard design, nice feel. Odd placement of the question mark key
512GB storage
FHD matte display 144Hz refresh
Decent battery life
RTX 2060 GPU
Better thermal management
Fans not too loud
Warranty, 1 year, extended 3 full year available
Customer support, decent and seems to be getting better. My expectation was a bit lower when I did contact them but I was pleasantly surprised
Crapware: none
Lenovo:
Just about the best keyboard on the market, even if it doesn't have the light changing eye candy that on paper shouldn't be important
1TB storage
4k/60Hz glossy touch screen
Decent battery life
GTX 1050Ti
purportedly runs hotter
Fans reportedly much louder
Warranty, 1 year, extended 4 year available.
Customer support, seems decent, but I've heard of some people having some issues with them. My expectation is higher and there may be room for disappointment if I need them
crapware: ???
Usage: 75 percent sitting on the desk, 25 percent mobile. When on the desk, I will have a monitor (old 24" apple cinema display) and external keyboard. So does that mitigate some of the advantages or concerns of either model? I am interested in getting into more gaming in all honesty and I don't think that's a made up motivation for the Razer, I've been thinking about that prior to CES and the announcements. This was another reason why I was getting a bit more disappointed with the Mac, windows performance and game performance.
In doing more research, I found that getting drivers for the Lenovo can be a pain, but I've not heard anything similar for the Razer. If I get the RTX2060, I most certainly will be on the bleeding edge, since they will be one of the first laptops out with the new GPU.
[doublepost=1547646583][/doublepost]Edit, looking at the benchmarks for gaming, the 3d Mark firestrike benchmark has the Lenovo at 6,127 (using the Mobile Tech Review benchmarks), my old razer had 10,461 (gtx 1060) and my MBP had 4104. So that puts the Lenovo smack in the middle performance wise.
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MaFlynn...
One very, very small correction, is that the X1 offers 5 yrs of warranty if you wish.
If the X1 does not work for me when I receive it, I will closely look at the razer offering. But the price does come into play and right now Lenovo looks good. Ports are some what OK on the Razer but Lenovo is so much better.
One very, very small correction, is that the X1 offers 5 yrs of warranty if you wish.
If the X1 does not work for me when I receive it, I will closely look at the razer offering. But the price does come into play and right now Lenovo looks good. Ports are some what OK on the Razer but Lenovo is so much better.
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Passing on savings for those contemplating the X1E, all credit goes to @bobbie424242 for posting this in another thread.- https://amp.laptopmag.com/articles/30-percent-thinkpad-extreme-laptops
This post is turning into a stream of conscience thought, so please forgive the rambling nature.
I've said numerous times that if Lenovo came out earlier I would have picked that over the MBP, now that I have the opportunity.
Razer vs. Lenovo. My budget is about 2k, give or take and because of that, the 4k option on the Razer at nearly $3,000 is way out of my price range. Design, looks and feel do mean a lot to me. I'm not trying to sound snobby but a nice design is important, and that was one of the factors in the past for the MBP, I simply liked the design.
Razer Pros:
Chroma keyboard design, nice feel. Odd placement of the question mark key
512GB storage
FHD matte display 144Hz refresh
Decent battery life
RTX 2060 GPU
Better thermal management
Fans not too loud
Warranty, 1 year, extended 3 full year available
Customer support, decent and seems to be getting better. My expectation was a bit lower when I did contact them but I was pleasantly surprised
Crapware: none
Lenovo:
Just about the best keyboard on the market, even if it doesn't have the light changing eye candy that on paper shouldn't be important
1TB storage
4k/60Hz glossy touch screen
Decent battery life
GTX 1050Ti
purportedly runs hotter
Fans reportedly much louder
Warranty, 1 year, extended 4 year available.
Customer support, seems decent, but I've heard of some people having some issues with them. My expectation is higher and there may be room for disappointment if I need them
crapware: ???
Usage: 75 percent sitting on the desk, 25 percent mobile. When on the desk, I will have a monitor (old 24" apple cinema display) and external keyboard. So does that mitigate some of the advantages or concerns of either model? I am interested in getting into more gaming in all honesty and I don't think that's a made up motivation for the Razer, I've been thinking about that prior to CES and the announcements. This was another reason why I was getting a bit more disappointed with the Mac, windows performance and game performance.
In doing more research, I found that getting drivers for the Lenovo can be a pain, but I've not heard anything similar for the Razer. If I get the RTX2060, I most certainly will be on the bleeding edge, since they will be one of the first laptops out with the new GPU.
[doublepost=1547646583][/doublepost]Edit, looking at the benchmarks for gaming, the 3d Mark firestrike benchmark has the Lenovo at 6,127 (using the Mobile Tech Review benchmarks), my old razer had 10,461 (gtx 1060) and my MBP had 4104. So that puts the Lenovo smack in the middle performance wise.
I have never found getting drivers for Lenovo to be a pain. Aside from Surface Products, Lenovo is fairly easy through their Lenovo Vantage app. Vantage along with Mirametrix Glance, are the only two non-standard installs I can recall. I deleted Glance. I didn’t find it useful for my needs.
The support issues I believe are mostly localized, where Lenovo makes use of contracted companies for on-sight support. So that can be a mixed bag, depending on who the local contracted company is and how good or bad they are. The company in my area is absolute crap.
I forget where I saw it, (youtube, or a written review), but the reviewer had a fair amount of games crashing and the stock nvidia driver from nvidia made matters worse. They did find one off the lenovo site that more or less fixed things.
As I scour the net for reviews, input and info regarding both machines, its helping me boil down the major differences.
Lenovo, [very] glossy 4k/60Hz screen, GTX 1050Ti
Razer, Matte FHD/60Hz screen, RTX 2060 GPU
All things being equal, the major differentiator between the two is screen and gpu. So that helps boil down what I'm choosing to a greater extent. Should I get a 4k screen or the FHD? I'm kind of hesitant on the such a high resolution display in a 15" form factor. With that said, going from FHD to Apple's Retina, it was nice having a little more wiggle room, but the windows scaling can be a pain with some of the apps I use. I found some remote apps don't scale nicely and higher resolution screens with higher scaling factors show tiny cursors, almost unusable. The glossy screen is a concern as well because when I do take it with me, lighting can cause a lot of reflections, whether I'm at a coffee shop, doctor's office, or a hotel room.
I also find gloss screens can be an annoyance. The MBP screens drive me nuts at times as well. I actually found the X1E screen to be less glossy and annoying than the MBP. At least when the light source is behind you which is my typical work environment. I posted a side by side photo of an X1E and 2018 MBP in post #77. Neither is as glossy as the Surface Book 2. I am not sure how Razers 4K display compares. I have never seen the 4K version. Dell XPS seemed fairly glossy. It is just part and parcel for the 4K/Retina displays I suppose. 4K/Retina displays also have a comparatively poor response time.
Lenovo does have their Vantage app, then there is also their Vantage online page, which can make things a little confusing. On that page, you can also find links to current and archived drivers. I am not sure how Razer does drivers. I thought you had to manually find them from the various vendors?
MaFlynn...
One very, very small correction, is that the X1 offers 5 yrs of warranty if you wish.
If the X1 does not work for me when I receive it, I will closely look at the razer offering. But the price does come into play and right now Lenovo looks good. Ports are some what OK on the Razer but Lenovo is so much better.
Another point on the warranty comparisons, which may or may not be of value. But Lenovo does also offer up to 5 years Accidental Damage Warranty, while I believe Razer does not offer this at all.
Also, Lenovo offers Sealed Battery Replacement coverage. I am not sure if Razer offers this.
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