Probably a factor, faster CPU’s, faster GPU’s, thinner cases to deaden sound may all be contributing factors.
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Probably a factor, faster CPU’s, faster GPU’s, thinner cases to deaden sound may all be contributing factors.
All the computers I've owned in the last 30 years or so had hard drives.
In the years prior to that I can well remember floppy discs - I was doing a clear out a couple of months ago and actually found some of them. Funny what you keep over the years.
No hard drive for Apple II. Only cassette tapes and 5.25 discs. Family used Epson dot matrix printer until the first laser printer from Apple came out. It was so big and heavy.
I like colorful floppy disks. At on point, there was a MO format but it didn’t last long.
[doublepost=1557067917][/doublepost]The machine was silent when I watched videos until I launched Powerpoint. Why launching such light application caused loud fan noise?
I really think an iPad Pro of some sort will be the best computer for you, as it is really powerful, has zero fan noise (as it has no fans), and it has been the focus of Apple's software improvements for the last couple years, and will be getting some huge usability updates very soon. Rumor is mouse support this year which will be huge. Please look into it.
Apple's approach to the iPad is to improve user experience very slowly but surely, and in incredibly controlled ways to make it perfect for the user. Yeah people are saying "Surface Pro has blah blah blah" that iPad can't do - but I am tempted to say I kind of see the light at the end of the tunnnel with the iPad, and I think in the longrun Apple's vision is going to be amazing. The iPad has singlehandedly gone to war and conquered important markets like Wacom and the drawing tablet segment, the tablet market, the e-reader market, and now I feel as though Apple has it's eyes set on laptops next with the iPad.
What I'm trying to tell you Hajime, is if you really want innovation, and a forward-thinking computer, the iPad Pro is where it's at. If it can accomplish 90% of your needs, you already stated you have a Desktop PC with an RTX 2080 or something like that. Why do you need a PC laptop in this class where ALL OF THEM will give you fan noises, a certain amount of coil whine, etc.?
I already have an iPad Pro 12.9. I can’t get anything to done on it except watching videos. If I could go back in time, I would not have bought it. Expensive and not computer replacable for me.
Are you saying the fan is on all the time when in Powerpoint, or just a short burst when you open the programme? If the latter, that's not abnormal and is likely tied to a sudden spike in CPU usage. Anyway, there are lots of things you can do to help mitigate fan noise. It depends whether you feel the electrical crackle/hiss is the deal breaker. If you have audible electrical noises most of the time then I think that is a problem. Occasional fan noise on the other hand is normal.
For the work you do is the fastest processor an absolute necessity?
For the work you do is a powerful GPU an absolute necessity?
Is a 4k screen an absolute necessity?
If yes, then you'll need to accept at least some fan noise. Whatever you buy may or not have some coil whine. That is it. If you can't live with a degree of either of those things then you cannot get a powerful laptop, it's that simple.
However if you can answer 'no' to those questions then there are a number of very quiet alternatives, which I believe have been suggested (like two of the laptops I have, for instance, which I've already mentioned). I think it's time for you to be very honest about your needs and realistic about your options.
That’s not true.
1. You can use two apps at the same time.
2. Browse the web
3. Scan documents
4. Take notes
5. Dictate messages
6. Edit word and PowerPoint in XL
7. Copy and paste from your phone
8. You can connect a keyboard
9. Pages
Etc, etc
Coil whine happened two days ago but didn’t hear it yesterday. Perhaps because I spent most of the time watching videos.
Launched Powerpoint, fan became noisy for a few seconds and became quiet.
Is Theottlestop better than xtu?
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Yes I need fastest cpu and gpu. That is why I built a powerful workstation. For laptop, mid range power is OK. Addicted to 4K. Can’t go lower. Let me undervolt and see how it goes.
Eh. I have to say I largely agree with Hajime. iPad Pro is good as a media consumption device. Clunky and limited for most other things. Mine has rarely left the bedside table the past couple of years. If I could go back in time, I would not have bought mine either.
Or you can buy a computer, until Apple changes IOS for iPad it will remain predominantly an expensive consumption device...
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But remember he said he can only watch videos on it. That’s not true for the iPad. All the help that everybody has given him about high end notebooks and he still will not understand the fan noise and continues to buy them then returns them. You’re going to get some noise from a notebook computer.
With respect to fans then, your computer sounds absolutely normal. It's unrealistic to expect a powerful laptop to never have fan activity.
If the electrical noises don't come back then it appears you have a good machine which ticks all of your necessary boxes
Yea it's possible you can do the above but not as well as a dedicated computer
Its like saying I can draw on my X1e and and touch and drag programs on it
Yes but if hajime's requirements are both good performance combined with no noise whatsoever, it's just impossible. We are trying to get creative to help him.
True. It seems Hajime needs top flight performance and graphics and if I am correct, silence. I might help if hajime would clarify the 'silence' bit because it is just unrealistic, if that is the case.
I feel moved to remind him that some intermittent bursts of fan activity are totally normal and should be expected but if hajime will not tolerate even that, then we have to throw in the towel in terms of advising him. Coil whine seems to be down to luck, but if that has settled down on hajime's X1E then things are looking positive. Again, he needs to clarify about what he will or will not put up with in terms of fans. If he needs a truly silent machine to use in classes/lectures then there are options and this may push him in the direction of buying two productivity machines (budget allowing), one for college and one for power use away from a silent environment. That's what I did - I sold some of my other stuff and saved for a bit longer, and looked out for deals.
I picked up an Intel M.2 SSD for my X1E. I opted for that Intel, simply because of the price. It was hard to pass up a 1TB SSD for a 100 dollars. The performance is a tad slower then the Samsung 970 which was priced at 130 for 500GB.
I've yet to put it into my laptop, I'm thinking of partitioning it 768 for data for windows and 256GB for Linux (I'm leaning towards Pop!_OS). There's a couple of apps that are stopping me from using Linux full time. The biggest issue for me is Gotomypc, a remote app that my company uses and there's no substitute, as they block all other remote apps.
I'll see how Pop!_OS is though and maybe even throw up a VM to run windows or macOS to use gotomypc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've yet to put it into my laptop, I'm thinking of partitioning it 768 for data for windows and 256GB for Linux (I'm leaning towards Pop!_OS). There's a couple of apps that are stopping me from using Linux full time. The biggest issue for me is Gotomypc, a remote app that my company uses and there's no substitute, as they block all other remote apps.
I'll see how Pop!_OS is though and maybe even throw up a VM to run windows or macOS to use gotomypc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Just a word of warning - that's a QLC drive (I'm assuming it is 660p), once the SLC cache is exhausted its write performance drops down to levels below 5400 rpm spinner. So just don't freak out if you run some long term benchmark or copy 100+ GB to it in one go, it is by design. It is a great secondary storage drive for laptop, half the power consumption of the nvme EVOs, actually similar power usage to SATA drives. I have the 2TB 660p next to 2TB Evo 970 in my MSI. Plus, the price can't be beat.
Now that you mentioned that, I recall seeing a video on that. I actually forgotten and tbh, that really annoys me. I had not broken the seal of the drive. I'm sure in many real world usages, I may be ok but I don't think I want to live with that. I'll be in town tomorrow and I can walk to Microcenter and get an exchange.
I have a 970 EVO m.2 in my 9570, which is slightly worse than the Evo Plus and Pro, but I still get 3500 / 2500 MB/s read write speeds. It's an incredible drive.
I really believe that it is a good drive as long as you aware of its limitations. Don't fill it up (you have to leave some space for QLC cells to be utilized as SLC for write cache) and don't write a lot of data to it frequently. And by a lot I mean like over 100 GB every hour. You'll pay at least double for the EVO, and Intel is a lot cooler and less power hungry. I wouldn't use it in a desktop, but in a laptop with two drive slots it can serve static data, while Evo is the one enduring frequent writes.
I'm leaning towards an Samsung Evo 860, its MLC, Microcenter has it for 170 for a TB and so its not a huge price jump.
860 is a SATA drive, has same power consumption/heat as 660p, but you're limited to 500MB/s read/write the whole time. With 660p you're getting 1800 MB/s for the first 100GB written and garbage thereafter (until cache gets cleared), while still having 1800 MB/s reads regardless of size. For $200 you can have 2TB Intel.
I have 970 EVO. Fast and reliable. Didn't even consider other options.
But on the bright side, my X1E was upgraded to 4K panel last week. And I LOVE IT! Finally a screen that is bright enough for me to work on! Only downside is that Win10 scaling isn't even decent enough, since I always have my laptop hooked up to external screens. But considering that this screen is way brighter and sharper then FHD one, it's a downside I'm willing to live with.
My current setup in the office is ultrawide + X1E. Plenty of workspace, and everything works just like how I want it to work! When doing just basic stuff, fans don't kick in at all. When doing some heavy Unity3D stuff, fans will obviously kick in, but they aren't very loud and no hissing sound like before.
I see no reason to look at any alternative to my X1E. Only upgrade Lenovo could make is with speakers, but that isn't something I'm willing to throw additional money at.
