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I fixed it for you:
OldBook Pro = Porsche 928
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I think all of the rants about lack of FireWire on MBs, only one FireWire port on MBPs, glossy screens, 'chiclet' keys are from people who REFUSE to accept change. THINGS CHANGE. It's the way this world works. Say you didn't know about the current design, and you saw the leaked pictures. If Apple did NOT release new notebooks that matched the leaked pictures, you'd be complaining still. So stop whining, one less FireWire, you're not going to die. No FireWire, you're not going to do die either.
When Apple CHANGED from floppy to USB, ppl were ready to kill. When Apple went Intel, ppl were already killing. Things change, so get used to it. Deal with it, if the same design stayed, ppl will start to complain as well.
When Apple CHANGED from floppy to USB, ppl were ready to kill. When Apple went Intel, ppl were already killing. Things change, so get used to it. Deal with it, if the same design stayed, ppl will start to complain as well.
Anybody saying the new MBP isn't "pro" judging by it's appearance haven't seen one in person or held one. It feels approximately a billion times more solid than the old one. Also, even though it's heavier, I find it feels lighter. You don't get the impression that it's going to snap in half when you pick it up with one hand.
I haven't seen or been with a new MBP but I'd definitely imagine that feeling of it not about to crack. The old ones just seem to "close to death".
what are you talking about?
OP i really dont get it.
the new MBP has everything you said, you can get it with the 2.8 and the 320 HD.
i dont see why you would want the intel chipset, the nvidia one is way faster
and i personally dont see why people in general dont like the redesign. the unibody is thinner and more stable and in my opinion better looking, especially with the gorgeous glass screen and the black bezel that goes around it.
OP i really dont get it.
the new MBP has everything you said, you can get it with the 2.8 and the 320 HD.
i dont see why you would want the intel chipset, the nvidia one is way faster
and i personally dont see why people in general dont like the redesign. the unibody is thinner and more stable and in my opinion better looking, especially with the gorgeous glass screen and the black bezel that goes around it.
Well all I can say is some people have a odd idea of 'Pro'
Much Stronger case in new Macbook Pro - is an improvement
Less heat generation in the new MacBook Pro compared to the previous generation is an improvement.
Dropping a Graphics Chip with a history of problems in favour of the new Nvidia chips is an improvement.
Actually having two mouse buttons on the track pad instead of having to press the damm control key each time - Improvement.
I think the only issue is the lack of a matte screen, but to be honest if you really are Pro you are probably not editing all your photo's on a 15" laptop screen anyway.
I think the glass screen is fine, and with the extra colour saturation is a great way to show photo's to the client.
Much Stronger case in new Macbook Pro - is an improvement
Less heat generation in the new MacBook Pro compared to the previous generation is an improvement.
Dropping a Graphics Chip with a history of problems in favour of the new Nvidia chips is an improvement.
Actually having two mouse buttons on the track pad instead of having to press the damm control key each time - Improvement.
I think the only issue is the lack of a matte screen, but to be honest if you really are Pro you are probably not editing all your photo's on a 15" laptop screen anyway.
I think the glass screen is fine, and with the extra colour saturation is a great way to show photo's to the client.
Okay, let's see if you can try... otherwise there's really no hope for some folks, that they might understand someone else's opinion...
... in your quote above... right after the part where it says unibody.. thinner and more stable..., you mention your opinion, which is that the new models are better looking, especially with the gorgeous glass screen... etc. blah, blah... well that's what many of us don't like about the redesign, so hopefully this answers your question.
...assuming you were really asking a question and not just whining about folks who see things differently. (I'm borrowing the "whining" term, since I've heard it tossed about so often by folks who just don't get why some of us dislike the new redesign. If it doesn't fit you, then just disregard... thx.
)Some of your metaphors are really ..... interesting ?
How can you say that bringing the new MBP to a client meeting is anything like wearing a clown suit to a legal hearing ? Oh no it has style and character and performs all the functions that most people would need. How is bringing a dell latitude or something any more professional (like millions of professionals use)? I must have missed the meeting where it was decided that things had to be bland and uninteresting to be professional.
I think I agree with the other people. You are just scared of change....
How can you say that bringing the new MBP to a client meeting is anything like wearing a clown suit to a legal hearing ? Oh no it has style and character and performs all the functions that most people would need. How is bringing a dell latitude or something any more professional (like millions of professionals use)? I must have missed the meeting where it was decided that things had to be bland and uninteresting to be professional.
I think I agree with the other people. You are just scared of change....
There are people who like the new design and people who like the old.
Get over it everyone, you aren't going to convince each other. I personally love the new and can't understand how someone could possibly prefer the old.
But those here who like the old better seem to assume that everyone shares this view. I've not seen one person who saw the new one in person who didn't think the new was much better. I'm sure there are those people (I think they are all here on this forum) but I'm trying to point out that this view isn't shared.
I seem to recall the same sort of screaming when the new iMac design came out. Haven't seen that change much, so I expect the same sort of thing on the new MBP.
Get over it everyone, you aren't going to convince each other. I personally love the new and can't understand how someone could possibly prefer the old.
But those here who like the old better seem to assume that everyone shares this view. I've not seen one person who saw the new one in person who didn't think the new was much better. I'm sure there are those people (I think they are all here on this forum) but I'm trying to point out that this view isn't shared.
I seem to recall the same sort of screaming when the new iMac design came out. Haven't seen that change much, so I expect the same sort of thing on the new MBP.
Well I agree with what your saying about most people post on relative message boards for problems, thats been my experience as well. However in this case the message board threads were discussing are not for problem solving so to speak but instead people asking others their thoughts about the new design. So in this case the old there are more problems on a help board doesn't really apply. Although if you like I am sure we can take a look at the number of initial problems with machines during the initial launch and compare them to others too. It seems to me without even really looking hard that this release appears to have a larger number of initial problems not relative to its appearance. That may just be because it is rev A but sure seems high and very varied so far.
I don't know if your going to get flamed for it or not, but I think that much of this need for the new MBP advocates / owners, originates from their own need to convince themselves that their Frankenbook MBP is not really a downgrade and viewed as non Pro or ugly by an apparent majority stressing their displeasure with the design "Buyers Remorse" as well as "I Got The Best Latest & Greatest" only to find they got less for more. Yes, I understand that the new one cost the same as the previous "real pro" did but just doesn't have all the same "Pro" functionality as the previous one, while you mentioned you feel that the real pros don't even seem to be the ones complaining the loudest, it is apparent those with obvious buyers remorse and anxiety over their large amount of $ going to Apple for less of a machine, is certainly something that makes them and their illogical defenses complaining the loudest. It is funny how the banner wavers come right to a thread like this with life or death defense for their new purchase to the point they ask for reasons when people post opposite views and then when they get them, they then throw nothing but subjective opinions in response. Kind of reminds me of a kid on a playground, about the only thing I haven't heard from the steadfast defenders of the sheep yet is "Mine's better than yours and whatever you say bad about it bounces off mine and sticks to yours" Sounds like familiar behavior huh?
Oh and one last thing if you bother to actually read the myriad of anti Frankenbook posts, I Think you will find that most of these people in opposition of the hideous new look and loss of functionality, either wanted to purchase the new model prior to learning of the travesty or actually did buy it and have since already returned it and bought a previous gen refurb. That in itself speaks volumes in favor of what your trying to say being simply untrue that people just want to feel better about their old model.
Agreed. Stronger case is a good thing... but not at the expense of some other things. It really wasn't an issue to me before, so while I'll take it, I didn't need it.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. My MBP Classic runs pretty cool, but I've heard on this forum already some folks mentioning how hot the new model runs... so the verdict isn't in yet. So, so far no real evidence of improvement.
I agree. They could have done that without the chicklets and glassy/glossy display being forced on us in return... give some, take back a lot. I guess it's what your used to...
?? Well, you got me there. I only see the trackpad, which acts like button on the new models. My old model has a single button, but I guess you've never tried the two-finger click? It's amazing how simple, and effective it is. I'm still saying... where's the improvement?
Well, it's one of the big issues. And it's not about whether we should be editing our photos on a 15" laptop or not. That's just a copout. Some of us just don't like staring at a shiny screen, even if we're just surfing the web. We don't like glossy. How hard is that to ponder...? What if you didn't have the choice of glossy, and you had to live with matte? Would you maybe finally see the point here. Get over it, you have your shiny screen, so why do you have to spend so much time defending it. Who really cares if you like glossy. That's entirely your choice. I have no interest one way or the other what you choose to use, but you are lucky that what you would choose is really not a choice any more, now is it? Just try to understand the "shoe on the other foot" argument, and everyone can get along.
I'm happy for you. I would in no way try to change your opinion. I just don't happen to agree that the benefits of glossy (for me...!!) offset the disadvantages I'd have to put up with in exchange. I'd opt for matte, given a choice. What's my beef? Not that you like glossy. It's that I don't have a choice. Sometimes you guys with the glossy love-affairs just can't let someone disagree with you without acting righteous, and it's offputting.
there are some very simple solutions for adapting the new macbook pro design.
1. Everyone who dislikes it, send an email to Steve Jobs and expresses your hatred to the new design and demands for a new change by Rev B.
2. Don't upgrade
3. Buy old/used/refurbished macbook pro.
4. Welcome to the PC world.
5. Buy a notebook that can use Leopard/Snow Leopard which is not macbook pro.
6. Challenge the States Law and enforces making Matte Screen as option for notebook is mandatory for all computer company.
Now our macworld is more happy than ever.
1. Everyone who dislikes it, send an email to Steve Jobs and expresses your hatred to the new design and demands for a new change by Rev B.
2. Don't upgrade
3. Buy old/used/refurbished macbook pro.
4. Welcome to the PC world.
5. Buy a notebook that can use Leopard/Snow Leopard which is not macbook pro.
6. Challenge the States Law and enforces making Matte Screen as option for notebook is mandatory for all computer company.
Now our macworld is more happy than ever.
to the OP, LOL, stay in the 21st century, while the rest of us move on
come on, designs change, you guys are just too used to the old design. if 5 years ago apple released the current glassbook design, i don't think we'd be having the same conversation. next redesign, you guys are prolly gonna come back and say "oh, the glass book was awesome" -____-
come on, designs change, you guys are just too used to the old design. if 5 years ago apple released the current glassbook design, i don't think we'd be having the same conversation. next redesign, you guys are prolly gonna come back and say "oh, the glass book was awesome" -____-
Pharrrrrrrrrrk
OLD MBP = lousy screen colour issues, sloppy inaccurate keyboard, torsional flex or chassis so bad internal components are disturbed if you pick up the machine with one hand at the corner, design aesthetics are dated, hard drive access is a risky nightmare, et cetera...
NEW MBP = improved screen, excellent keyboard, vastly improved chassis rigidity, now looks as sexy as my Aluminium iMac, quick swap hard drive, improved graphics, et cetera...
<sarcasm> Oh, Yeah. I better go slash my wrists right about now...</sarcasm>
OLD MBP = lousy screen colour issues, sloppy inaccurate keyboard, torsional flex or chassis so bad internal components are disturbed if you pick up the machine with one hand at the corner, design aesthetics are dated, hard drive access is a risky nightmare, et cetera...
NEW MBP = improved screen, excellent keyboard, vastly improved chassis rigidity, now looks as sexy as my Aluminium iMac, quick swap hard drive, improved graphics, et cetera...
<sarcasm> Oh, Yeah. I better go slash my wrists right about now...</sarcasm>
The REAL Problem - NO Choice but GLOSSY
This is the unacceptable change: we are forced to buy glossy MBPs, which were by far the least selling screen type when the matte option was available. This really bogged me, and I'll wait for the next generation of MBP in the hope matte screens will be back...
This is the unacceptable change: we are forced to buy glossy MBPs, which were by far the least selling screen type when the matte option was available. This really bogged me, and I'll wait for the next generation of MBP in the hope matte screens will be back...
WiMax has been in development for ages, and is very limited in use. You'll see larger metropolitan mesh WiFi networks first, imo.
nVidia chipsets are no less "pro" than Intel chipsets.
The construction is more solid than any Dell or HP, even their "Workstation" models. Trust me, I have 1 of each of those flaming turdballs sitting on my desk at work, and they were $3000 a piece.
nVidia has already said hybrid SLI and 8GB of RAM is possible with that chipset, and can be done with a software and/or firmware update.
I'm not sure what I follow as far as for what qualifies as professional use. I'll be using a new one to admin Linux and Windows networks, our developer programs on one, the web editor uses an iMac, and the photographer uses an MBP to edit 40 megapixel images.
I always thought when something was "professional" we could make money with it. I guess I'm imagining my paycheck.
nVidia chipsets are no less "pro" than Intel chipsets.
The construction is more solid than any Dell or HP, even their "Workstation" models. Trust me, I have 1 of each of those flaming turdballs sitting on my desk at work, and they were $3000 a piece.
nVidia has already said hybrid SLI and 8GB of RAM is possible with that chipset, and can be done with a software and/or firmware update.
I'm not sure what I follow as far as for what qualifies as professional use. I'll be using a new one to admin Linux and Windows networks, our developer programs on one, the web editor uses an iMac, and the photographer uses an MBP to edit 40 megapixel images.
I always thought when something was "professional" we could make money with it. I guess I'm imagining my paycheck.
Oh ok. I will ignore the redesign as I like it. Personal preference.
But with regards t the people saying that specs wise ther's not much difference between the Mac Book and Mac Book Pro. You need to read the new more.
Nvidia has confirmed that in the Mac Book pro is there new technology which allows either:
Both graphics chips to be used at the same time in SLI for graphics performance boost.
or
The GPU in the 9400m to be used as an extra processor to complement the main Intel CPU, and then use the 9600m for graphics duty.
They said it just needs enabling in the software so the potential for a big performance boost the Mac Book cannot have is there, it's up to Apple to enable it though.
This is the unacceptable change: we are forced to buy glossy MBPs, which were by far the least selling screen type when the matte option was available. This really bogged me, and I'll wait for the next generation of MBP in the hope matte screens will be back...
I have a glossy 17" HD MBP, a glossy MacBook and my second glossy iMac, until I tried them I hated the glossy idea.
Now when I look at a matte screen I go WTF, why can't I see anything on this screen?
The Mac screens are much easier to use than my HP and Dell glossies, they seem to have a ripple finish which would appear to diffuse reflections.
You started out good...
Well, okay. I can go along with what you're saying, although you're beginning to get a bit righteous there. To try to explain to you so you can "understand" might be a waste of time... I've tried numerous times already, and it all falls on deaf ears. The question for you is: Do you really want to understand? Or is it just a way of making those who have a different opinion than you seem crazy, or illogical, or somehow irrational?
That's plainly ridiculous. After all the debating going on here on this forum, including lots of accusations of "whining" by fans of the new MB and MBPs, it would take an idiot to "assume everyone shares this view." Where are you getting your own assumptions?
So, thanks for pointing out the obvious. I'm glad you've been following along.