So many guys are trying to proove my post wrong. Now I will give you a perfect example. Look at the pictures. The while picture is the original google (old MBP) and the new black one is the new google (new MBP). Some people will finally accept the way google is and say it is good. But even though the power behind is definately better, the looks are not professional any more. This is the exact same way MBP is upgraded.
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So many guys are trying to proove my post wrong. Now I will give you a perfect example. Look at the pictures. The while picture is the original google (old MBP) and the new black one is the new google (new MBP). Some people will finally accept the way google is and say it is good. But even though the power behind is definately better, the looks are not professional any more. This is the exact same way MBP is upgraded.
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Agreed, there is nothing less professional about black - as a matter of fact, black is a very professional color.
Agreed, there is nothing less professional about black - as a matter of fact, black is a very professional color.
OLD MBP = lousy screen colour issues, sloppy inaccurate keyboard, torsional flex or chassis so bad internal components are disturbed if you pick up the machine with one hand at the corner, design aesthetics are dated, hard drive access is a risky nightmare, et cetera...
LOL!!!! I love your biased NON-Fact based bullets you really made me laugh. Inset playground kid analogy
First lets take a look at what you claim here.....
You say lousy screen color issues. Ok where is your data on this? The screen on my SR MBP is perfect and has excellent color and I have compared it side by side to the new panels. BTW.. in case you didn't know this the new Frankenbooks have the same panels in them the previous ones did but with glass containing trapped hairs and dirt/dust in front of it.
You then state there is some type of flex issue with the previous models. Well while the unibody one piece chassis is a great idea and certainly stronger, there was no strength issues with the previous model whatsoever. In fact compared to any other brand notebooks I have used, it was the strongest and no matter how the machine was picked up I have never seen internal component damage due to a flexing chassis, so this claim is nothing more than FUD.
Your claim that the previous model MBP aesthetics are dated is your opinion and you offer no other basis of comparison for it, yet you state it as if it were fact. To give you a clue here, Not only Sony Vaio, Compaq, Micron but a slew of other brands and models of PCs had this type of look more than half a decade ago! So how does the new one not look dated if using the PC industry trends for style as a gage? If you like you can look up these old models and see where Apple got their inspiration for the Frankenbooks.
NEW MBP = improved screen, excellent keyboard, vastly improved chassis rigidity, now looks as sexy as my Aluminium iMac, quick swap hard drive, improved graphics, et cetera...
Could you please provide the technical specification improvements that the new Frankenbook display are achieving with the same display panel in them? I would really love to see that. Don't tell me that trapped hairs, assembly process fingerprints and dust behind the new glass cover are providing these same panels to somehow perform more brilliantly either.
As for sexy, that is solely your opinion. Remember one mans treasure is anothers junk.
The quick change hard drive and non-defective GPU are the only things you legitimately mentioned here that are truly improvements that can be substantiated. At least if the GPU is in fact not defective and Nvidia just didn't lie again and say the issue was resolved with this release. I sure hope it was though.
<sarcasm> Oh, Yeah. I better go slash my wrists right about now...</sarcasm>
Oh and while I understand the need for new Frankenbook owners to feel good about their purchases, I somehow stand baffled as to the lack of data behind their claims and sometimes I think Apple could take a crap in a box and stamp an Apple logo on it and the die hard supporters would be on here trying their best to convince us that it really doesn't smell.
Dude, no one is "trying to prove you wrong". You BOUGHT a laptop and then decided it didnt "LOOK" professional. Did you not LOOK at it before you BOUGHT it? If you didnt then it is on you for not knowing what you were buying.
Some of you ladies are seriously crybabies. No one is DOING anything to you. Apple did not intentionally screw you because they made the keys black, or there is a 1/10000000 of an angled tilt to one button on the keyboard.
Sure and the "have to have it now now now" crowd who salivates for months before each new release then whines like a bunch of girls when it isnt just as fantasticly fabulous as they had built it up in their own feeble minds will never be convinced that the imagined micro mm mismatch on their batter covers isnt just RUINING their whole existenance.
Oh yeah, and they will never believe that Apple didnt target them personally for this flawed, damaged, hideous notebook that they just had to have NOW NOW NOW.
Your retarded little photoshop project has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
Hello All,
I just ended up returning the new 2.53 GHz Macbook Pro and purchased the earlier silver model.
This time Apple has concentrated more on the unibody and ignored the pro users. Earlier, every pro user had the feeling of having the best computer for $2500 that he paid for. But after the release of the new MBP style, it is not a pro machine atall.
All the apple fanboys know from their heart that Apple is slowly moving into the consumer market and not thinking about the pros. They have saved quiet a bit of money by implementing the NVIDIA chipsets, the glass screen, and the unibody.
Lets face it seriously. People are accepting the new MBP because everyone likes apple and has high regard for them. But they are compromising on whatever is available. Infact the OSX the reason all their new MBPs look good.
How about instead of the unibody, this was the new MBP?
Same earlier design with 2.8 GHz
4 GB Ram (expandable to 8 GB)
Intel Chipset motherboard
Wimax, Newest Graphics card, 320 GB Hard Disk
I personally do not have any problems with the new unibody, but the whole laptop looks cheap with the black color.
Look at it this way. We all apple fans were the ones who made Apple run for years by buying their computers. Now that they have a reputation, they are only thinking about the consumer market. If we all persuade apple in bringing a decent looking professional laptop, I am sure the next release in 2009 will be a professional looking laptop.
Otherwise they will keep going cheap and at the end will be no better than the PCs.
We still do not even know how the snow leoprd turns out. Why predict things. Lets do something so that the new notebooks and the snow leopard is designed to look professional and not fancy.
Someone give me a clue how to get this going. I am in
BPN
Blah Blah Blah Blah
I am so sick of you crybabies. You don't like the screen, you don't like the keyboard, your don't like this, you don't like that. You want it your way and you should have it NOW.
Wah Wah Baby wants his way.
Don't buy the damn thing and shut the **** up.
Wah wah wah
Go buy a windows machine.
If you were REAL pros you wouldn't be trying to do professional work full time on a laptop. and you would know that. If you were real professionals you would be dropping about $10K on a Mac Pro.
The macbook pro is the best compromise machine on the market, it is years ahead of others and makes a darn good attempt at allowing the traveling professional the best of everything at a fair price.
I am SICK and TIRED of your complaining. Stick a sock in it.
Vote with your $$$$ don't give Apple any more of your money if you think Steve will cave to your demands.
These guys have consistently gotten it right in the face of those who said they were losers. You guys are just one more voice. The voice of some self proclaimed professional but actually just a bunch of self indulgent over privileged crank yankers.
What are you trying to say here? Is it that people who anxiously anticipate a new improved model of their favorite machine should somehow be happy that the improvement was to essentially downgrade the caliper of machine they had before? It is one thing to wait for a feature or two and then it isn't included and another to actually go backwards by taking previous functionality away and destroying the sophisticated Pro appearance that made it what it was to them. You can call that whatever you want but speculating that people who paid $2500 + for a notebook think Apple targeted them directly and also don't have a right to expect the quality of the machine parts to line up and fit properly is absurd.
And your constructive little comment has got to be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen.
Feel better about yourself now, do ya? Were you were one of those kids in school (maybe still are, for that matter) who loved picking on someone from a safe distance just to boost your own ego? The thing is, most smart kids can see right through it.Please prove me wrong, and try to discuss things without attacking someone.
My point exactly! (well, kinda) Obviously the Macbook Pro is still a laptop, not a desktop replacement. If you were a pro, you would be quite happy that you had such a capacious portable computer to complement the desktop you use while working. Although I am not saying that ALL pro's have $10,000 desktops, I am assuming that as a pro, you need a desktop solution, and you can't run your business with a laptop. Personally, I am just starting out, so I connect my laptop to a MATTE external monitor, keyboard and mouse when I am in my office.
Also, the laptop doesn't look professional? It's a Mac! It has a glowing apple on the back! Macbook Pro's and Powerbooks have never been "professional" looking...I have always thought of them as classy looking. Look at the build quality! They are like the Benz's or BMW's of the laptop game. Or wait, are you saying that you want it to look like an IBM Thinkpad?
And your constructive little comment has got to be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen.
Please prove me wrong, and try to discuss things without attacking someone.
What exactly should be discussed? He paints google black and stipulates that it is the new MBP. Where is the logic in that? How about I stipulate that the real google in the new MBP?
Ridiculous, and that is giving too much credit, arguments should be criticized. There are people who think the new MBP is great, I am one of them, and guess what other people think they are terrible. That is fine. For those people they have the option of snatching up old machines either clearance or refurbished.
And while I think voting with your dollars is indeed important as a consumer, in the case of Apple products it simply will not have an affect. You will be drowned out by the number of people who want to purchase these models. So, I think there is much futility in whining about this on an internet forum. Send Apple a kind but strongly worded letter and move on with your life.
I also find it rather odd that you would tell someone to discuss arguments without attacking, yet in the posts immediately following you do the same thing. How about you actually listening to your own advice before posting, because you really put your foot in your mouth on that one.
You started out good...
Well, okay. I can go along with what you're saying, although you're beginning to get a bit righteous there. To try to explain to you so you can "understand" might be a waste of time... I've tried numerous times already, and it all falls on deaf ears. The question for you is: Do you really want to understand? Or is it just a way of making those who have a different opinion than you seem crazy, or illogical, or somehow irrational?
That's plainly ridiculous. After all the debating going on here on this forum, including lots of accusations of "whining" by fans of the new MB and MBPs, it would take an idiot to "assume everyone shares this view." Where are you getting your own assumptions?
So, thanks for pointing out the obvious. I'm glad you've been following along.
No offense (well maybe a little) but most of your posts seem very sanctimonious. You seem to love trying to call people out. Your posts come off like you are trying to be a jerk. Are you like this in real life? I understand you have a different point of view. I'll never agree with it but I don't see a need to convert you to my view. You seem to have a need to try to prove some sort of superiority. The one point I'll address is that most people here want to claim matte is better. Take a look at the number of threads on demanding matte, claiming glossy, sucks, and the need to force Apple bring back matte (like this thread). Maybe you will see a pattern.
What kinds of problems have people complained about? So far, I've seen several minor isolated cases of case warping (maybe 2 or 3), uneven top row (I think all of them have it but I don't see why it's such a big deal) small chips in the case, screens with single dead pixels, and one case where there was dust stuck behind the screen. From personal experience, the new MBP get somewhat hot in Windows but SMC fan control in OS X --> switch to windows easily solves this problem. I'm curious as to what sources you have that indicate the existence of widespread problems not related to the appearance because as far as I can tell, all of the problems so far are cosmetic-related.
Also, from what I've seen, the "discussions" that you speak of are generally populated by people who have never even seen the new MBP in person and complain just for the sake of complaining. The few that actually have spent considerable time with both are disappointed that Apple did not deliver as expected but seriously, I think many of these people had unrealistic expectations. We all knew that the update would be incremental at best in terms of hardware improvements. I seriously doubt that many people actually thought that the Centrino 2/nVidia chipset equivalent upgrade would have offered significant performance increases. If any of you expected any better, especially in the current economic conditions, you were living in a dreamworld. Apple's primary concern is their bottom line, not how much value their products offer their customers. While I do not approve of this, I understand why they decided to pursue this course of action. From what I've seen in the "real world," they have only alienated a small portion of their consumers and I assume that, based on their decisions in the new MBP, they believe this to be of little consequence. Whether they were right or not remains to be seen but IMO, Apple's consumer analysts probably know more about their consumer base than you or I do.
I can see where you get your belief that new MBP owners feel a need to defend their purchases. In my opinion, this doesn't seem to be the case. From what I've seen, there are more people bashing the new MBP for no good reason than people defending the new MBP for no good reason. For the record, I have the new MBP. The slight loss in functionality does not affect me to any significant extent. You can claim that I'm biased but for what it's worth, I have spent a reasonable amount of time on the "classic" MBP and I prefer the newer one primarily because of its durability and its upgraded internals. For me, that was more than enough impetus for purchasing the new one. That being said, the previous gen MBP is still a great piece of machinery. My belief is that, if you like the previous model, then keep it. No one (at least no one that is sane) is forcing any of you to upgrade. In my case, the upgraded GPU was especially important because it is less likely to fail than the questionable 8600m GT in the previous models. I have little use for DVI/HDMI and the glossy screen is not much of a hindrance since apparently I'm not a "pro," so to speak. I bought this notebook primarily for the OS X experience, as well as the ability to run games adequately in Windows under Boot Camp. From what I've seen, Apple seems to be catering to consumers with characteristics similar to mine and the new ones seem to be selling well, at least in the Apple stores around Manhattan that I've visited. This seems to indicate that there are many more people like me who are not overly concerned with the slight loss of functionality compared to the types of individuals on this forum, where it seems that the majority of people depend heavily on some of these lost features for their work/livelihoods. Therefore, from a financial standpoint, it is likely that their new strategy will increase sales and profits, at the cost of losing a sizeable number of their pro consumers. Unfortunately for these pros, Apple seems to believe that this is an acceptable tradeoff.
For those of you who dislike the current model, the next model will most definitely have better hardware but IMO, the design isn't going to become any more satisfactory. Chances are that there are many more ordinary people (non pros) in the real world who are content with the current MBP and since we are under the assumptions that Apple's primary concern is their bottom line and that a company's sales and profits increase if it caters to the majority, I wouldn't bet on a redesign that would satisfy most of the people here who want the return of a "decent" MBP. We might see the return of a silver/white keyboard or some other minor change, but I think Apple is more concerned about unifying their designs across the board and cutting costs than providing a new innovative look for their notebooks.
Anyway, these are just my own ramblings/thoughts. Most of my claims are based on what I've seen in the past couple of weeks. Personally I hope that they do change to an all silver design the next time around, but that's just wishful thinking on my part....
- I like matte displays
- I adore the old aluminum PowerBook/MacBook Pro keyboard
- My iPod's on Firewire
And I think the new MacBook Pros are a definite step in the right direction. The old aluminum case wasn't strong enough to withstand dings, was a b*tch to open up to get to the hard drive, and the latch relied on a tiny little strip of metal barely thicker than a piece of foil. I should know - I've dropped my 12" twice, had to replace the HD and optical drive once each, and replaced the entire upper case (including screen) just to get a working latch. Physically, the new case covers those issues perfectly.
Performance-wise, the nVidia chipset is no less pro than what Intel has (is it still Santa Rosa?), and offers clear benefits of better performance/watt and potential for 8GB support. The only downsides I can see are a memory latency issue (more or less made up for by faster memory speeds), and the currently higher price for DDR3.
Lack of Firewire 400's only a minor problem. If you're spending $2500 on a new laptop, you can afford another $20 for some new cables to plug into the Firewire 800 port. That said, the lack of s-video, composite, and HDMI out adapters is somewhat annoying, given that many of these will be used as portable presentation platforms.
I adored the silver keyboards. I still find none better - not the macbook, new macbook pro, Thinkpads, iMacs, etc. I'm sad to see it go, but at least the only nitpicky problem with the successor is that it's a little uglier.
- I adore the old aluminum PowerBook/MacBook Pro keyboard
- My iPod's on Firewire
And I think the new MacBook Pros are a definite step in the right direction. The old aluminum case wasn't strong enough to withstand dings, was a b*tch to open up to get to the hard drive, and the latch relied on a tiny little strip of metal barely thicker than a piece of foil. I should know - I've dropped my 12" twice, had to replace the HD and optical drive once each, and replaced the entire upper case (including screen) just to get a working latch. Physically, the new case covers those issues perfectly.
Performance-wise, the nVidia chipset is no less pro than what Intel has (is it still Santa Rosa?), and offers clear benefits of better performance/watt and potential for 8GB support. The only downsides I can see are a memory latency issue (more or less made up for by faster memory speeds), and the currently higher price for DDR3.
Lack of Firewire 400's only a minor problem. If you're spending $2500 on a new laptop, you can afford another $20 for some new cables to plug into the Firewire 800 port. That said, the lack of s-video, composite, and HDMI out adapters is somewhat annoying, given that many of these will be used as portable presentation platforms.
I adored the silver keyboards. I still find none better - not the macbook, new macbook pro, Thinkpads, iMacs, etc. I'm sad to see it go, but at least the only nitpicky problem with the successor is that it's a little uglier.
I registered on this site just to comment on this thread.
First of all, without saying names, there are a few members on this forums debating "professional" laptops but are using logic and maturity of a teenager. Some of the arguments go from absurd to laughable.
I'm an industrial designer and have always used a PC and up until now have not considered using a Mac. For my home machine I'm very happy with using a PC but I need more reliability when on the go and I need a laptop I can count on, so I've come to this forum to see what people are saying about the new machine.
Two days ago I spent about an hour using my friends new macbook pro with a 2.5ghz, 4gb ram, 320 7200rpm. I ran the programs I use daily to make sure it ran well (photoshop, corel painter, illustrator, solidworks, and alias).
The build quality of the machine, which happens to be a major factor for my concerns, is fantastic and nobody has really argued differently. Yes some people have defects but Apple is quick to replace them with a new one. I'm personally not a fan of the gloss/glass screen, but as far as gloss screens go, this one is pretty fantastic. If I'm not going to have a matte screen this one will do just fine. Testing the programs I mentioned above, the laptop performed admirably with very little lag. I think overall this is one of the nicest laptops I've ever used when factoring in quality and features. Personally the keyboard being black instead of silver makes very little difference to me. The matte (low resolution) screen and price on the other hand may lead me to another laptop.
As for not being a professional machine because the screen is glossy or the keys are black seems juvenile to me. The old keyboard looked cleaner, and the matte screen is a nice feature I wish still existed, but I don't see how either one of these make it unprofessional. (Your customers should be far more concerned with the professional work you're showing them than what color the keyboard is) The build quality and materials alone make either the macbook or the macbook pro a visually and physically professional machine. As far as the professional requirements in hardware for other professions I cannot make an educated judgment. If the video industry was dependent on the ports that Apple left out and there's no easy solution then that's the only real reason on stating this isn't a "professional" grade machine, for that profession.
Now I'll leave you guys to compare macbooks to clowns and porsches.
First of all, without saying names, there are a few members on this forums debating "professional" laptops but are using logic and maturity of a teenager. Some of the arguments go from absurd to laughable.
I'm an industrial designer and have always used a PC and up until now have not considered using a Mac. For my home machine I'm very happy with using a PC but I need more reliability when on the go and I need a laptop I can count on, so I've come to this forum to see what people are saying about the new machine.
Two days ago I spent about an hour using my friends new macbook pro with a 2.5ghz, 4gb ram, 320 7200rpm. I ran the programs I use daily to make sure it ran well (photoshop, corel painter, illustrator, solidworks, and alias).
The build quality of the machine, which happens to be a major factor for my concerns, is fantastic and nobody has really argued differently. Yes some people have defects but Apple is quick to replace them with a new one. I'm personally not a fan of the gloss/glass screen, but as far as gloss screens go, this one is pretty fantastic. If I'm not going to have a matte screen this one will do just fine. Testing the programs I mentioned above, the laptop performed admirably with very little lag. I think overall this is one of the nicest laptops I've ever used when factoring in quality and features. Personally the keyboard being black instead of silver makes very little difference to me. The matte (low resolution) screen and price on the other hand may lead me to another laptop.
As for not being a professional machine because the screen is glossy or the keys are black seems juvenile to me. The old keyboard looked cleaner, and the matte screen is a nice feature I wish still existed, but I don't see how either one of these make it unprofessional. (Your customers should be far more concerned with the professional work you're showing them than what color the keyboard is) The build quality and materials alone make either the macbook or the macbook pro a visually and physically professional machine. As far as the professional requirements in hardware for other professions I cannot make an educated judgment. If the video industry was dependent on the ports that Apple left out and there's no easy solution then that's the only real reason on stating this isn't a "professional" grade machine, for that profession.
Now I'll leave you guys to compare macbooks to clowns and porsches.
I am the guy who started this post. After reading everyones comment, I agree that apple will not change the design, but rather they should have an option of silver/white versus black chicklet keys, silver bazel instead of black and a matte screen. I am sure if this happens, it will look much closer to a pro machine.
all of you guys owning the new MBP are taking this post very seriously and overreacting to justify you purchase. We are just putting down our thoughts and what we want apple to have an option. One last thing no one talked about: I think that the trackpad is complete disaster.
Thanks,
BPN
I beg to differ. Both of my responses were to different posts. One was where the guy (thehellobob) attacked a poster, one which may have been worthy of rebuttal for the reverse google thing, but the manner was offensive, unnecessarily... to wit: "Your retarded little photoshop project has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen." I simply handed back to him a little taste what that kind of post feels like, with a suggestion to discuss without attacking. It's interesting that you felt more offended by my post than his... I don't know what that says..
On the second post, if you actually read it, you would have noticed the lovely tone set by Jeff48... to wit:
"Blah Blah Blah Blah
I am so sick of you crybabies. You don't like the screen, you don't like the keyboard, your don't like this, you don't like that. You want it your way and you should have it NOW.
Wah Wah Baby wants his way.
Don't buy the damn thing and shut the **** up.
Wah wah wah."
I didn't bother to copy the rest - you get the idea. So, the line I felt needed some feedback was the "Don't buy the damn thing and shut the **** up" line. Did you notice that one? Probably, but it didn't count, right?
I thought my reply was a blunt way to put it into perspective, and feel it fit the occasion, whether or not you approve. I guess it's okay for some around here to spout off self-righteous garbage, but not okay for it to be pointed out... am I right?
Anyway, this has broken down into nonsense. You guys with the new MBPs... please don't be mad anymore. We love your new machines. They're really pretty, and so modern. We humble "old" MacProld owner look up to your superior taste and smartness in all things related to Macbook Pros. We apologize for not instantly understanding the amazing qualities right before our eyes. You guys are so right to tell us off because we didn't understand that matte was bad for us, and the idea of a choice is ridiculous. We deserve all the attacks as whiners you have heaped on us from the first day the new MBPs arrived on the scene, and we found ourselves dim-wittedly thinking we might not be thrilled with them. Thank you for showing us how futile having a different opinion is these days. Consider us beaten into submission...
I'll try to take your criticism the right way, as well intended. Yeah... I think perhaps I did get a bit carried away with my response in this case, but I have actually tried before this to make logical sense about my viewpoints in my prior posts... without trying to foist them on anyone else. There is room for different opinions on this board, I would hope. The problem from my perspective... has been that a certain segment of the posters here have resorted to the name-calling ("whiners," "crybabies" and other BS) because someone has a different opinion about something, like matte screens, keyboards, etc. whatever... and it just leads to some of us getting pissed about it after repeatedly being hammered over the head with it, with no attempt made to engage in "agree to disagree" type of dialog. Maybe we should just let the name callers do their thing. But sometimes unwarranted attacks just become too much to take lying down. It's sad, but when I find myself lowering to that level, I know I've hit a brick wall. So, with that I'll just apologize to whomever wants it, and go about my business.
And your constructive little comment has got to be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen.
Please prove me wrong, and try to discuss things without attacking someone.
First, I don't believe I once attacked him. I'm not given to ad hominem. What I did attack was his ludicrously poor example.
The problem with his picture is that it in no way correlates to the discussion we are having. Photoshoping the Google home page black (poorly) only proves that you can make bad design choices, not that the MacBook Pro's design is somehow more or less professional than it used to be.
The truth is, the pictures mean nothing. They aren't based on a real world example in any way, shape, or form.
I'm not still in school. I've never been a "pick-on-from-a-safe-distance" person. I don't need to stroke my own ego. I'm glad the "smart kids" can see through it. I am, however, a person who easily tires of asinine posts. Sure the second one looked less professional. Anything would look less professional if you used the fill tool in Photoshop as your sole method of redesigning the google homepage and you didn't bother to fill in the space between letters or change the remaining color scheme.
Comparing some 30 second paint dump to this redesign could only be the work of someone who has no understanding of the sheer amount of work that went into designing the product.
The MacBook Pro is not some FrankenBook as whoever it was tried to say. There's a big difference between trying to unify a design scheme and just throwing things together. It's called coherence. It's not as though this move to all glass and aluminum is something recent. Anyone who has been watching Apple's design progression should know that.
So yes, his little Photoshop was retarded.
Well your certainly entitled to your opinion and not every analogy is as effectively conveyed as intended but I believe your focus on the mechanics of his example's quality in lieu of the premise of what he was meaning to get across may be a factor here. I may be wrong but I think what he was trying to get across with it was how clearly different at first glance one design is to another. It was the concept not the literal example he used. How good his photoshop skills are has no bearing on what he was trying to say. As I said many here are taking the fact so many have an adversely negative reaction to the new design. Its no secret I just like so many others here, think the new Frankenbook is horrendous and looks like an obvious result of extreme cost savings. But thats my opinion which like it or not carries the same weight as yours or anyone else for that matter. Beauy is in the eye of the beholder, unfortunately to me this thing had just about poked out my eye looking at it.
Anyway what I am trying to say here is that whether or not we like or dislike another's view or opinion on something, there is never a reason to get so mad to purposefully attack their skills, etc. Anger, frustration, jealousy, excitement are all emotions we al deal with in varying ways depending on our individual personalities so whenever there is a public forum like this and a heated difference in views, we can easily take things too personally or say things with a bit more force than we even really intend to. All in all we are all here because our common interests and love of the products and technologies we are seeing so steadfastly debated in the forums lately. So even when we reach points where our views differ, the big picture here is we all ultimately care about the same thing, the technology and products. I always try to keep this in mind whenever I get irked by a post and before I respond in a way that may be a bit more than my intent due to the emotion involved. I truly believe that the majority of us all here on both sides of the view, have no desire to belittle or hurt other members inadvertently. For the most part most here are good people. Healthy differences in opinions and debate is a good thing when we control how we do it.
Just some things to think about, especially during this new release fiasco.
From a levity standpoint, don't you think it is funny how the new Frankenbook design was released the same month as Halloween.
Well your certainly entitled to your opinion and not every analogy is as effectively conveyed as intended but I believe your focus on the mechanics of his example's quality in lieu of the premise of what he was meaning to get across may be a factor here. I may be wrong but I think what he was trying to get across with it was how clearly different at first glance one design is to another. It was the concept not the literal example he used. How good his photoshop skills are has no bearing on what he was trying to say. As I said many here are taking the fact so many have an adversely negative reaction to the new design. Its no secret I just like so many others here, think the new Frankenbook is horrendous and looks like an obvious result of extreme cost savings. But thats my opinion which like it or not carries the same weight as yours or anyone else for that matter. Beauy is in the eye of the beholder, unfortunately to me this thing had just about poked out my eye looking at it.
All in all we are all here because our common interests and love of the products and technologies we are seeing so steadfastly debated in the forums lately. So even when we reach points where our views differ, the big picture here is we all ultimately care about the same thing, the technology and products. I always try to keep this in mind whenever I get irked by a post and before I respond in a way that may be a bit more than my intent due to the emotion involved. I truly believe that the majority of us all here on both sides of the view, have no desire to belittle or hurt other members inadvertently. For the most part most here are good people. Healthy differences in opinions and debate is a good thing when we control how we do it.
Just some things to think about, especially during this new release fiasco.
From a levity standpoint, don't you think it is funny how the new Frankenbook design was released the same month as Halloween.
I appreciate the explanation given abouve by Atomic ED. He/She is the only person to exatly understand what meant by the google postr. And FYI, it was done in MS pain on botcamp...hahaha.
Yes, the new MBP is good and we all need time to accept the change. But few things like the trackpad were unnecessary. I having extreme high astigmatism need the matte screen. That is how it started.
Thnks,
BPN
]His post was this blue colour, for the "Pro" look! My responses are in ["bold"] He goes on to say/rant...
You say lousy screen color issues. Ok where is your data on this? [ My screen is light yellow and mauve where it should be white, many others have had this problem, Apple said it was normal...] The screen on my SR MBP is perfect and has excellent color and I have compared it side by side to the new panels. BTW.. in case you didn't know this the new Frankenbooks have the same panels [ Ah, good, they can't be less Pro then, can they? ] in them the previous ones did but with glass containing trapped hairs and dirt/dust in front of it.
You then state there is some type of flex issue with the previous models. Well while the unibody one piece chassis is a great idea and certainly stronger, there was no strength issues with the previous model whatsoever. In fact compared to any other brand notebooks I have used, it was the strongest and no matter how the machine was picked up I have never seen internal component damage due to a flexing chassis, so this claim is nothing more than FUD. [ Ha, Joni Ives told me the main reason they adopted the unibody construction was to control the flex... ]
Your claim that the previous model MBP aesthetics are dated is your opinion and you offer no other basis of comparison for it, yet you state it as if it were fact. [ The FACT that the design surfaced on the 7th January 2003 as a minor upgrade to the 2001 ti book makes it over half a decade old, sounds like DATED to me, and no single person has come into my studio and been able to tell the difference between my 04 PB and the recent MBP other than the camera...] To give you a clue here, Not only Sony Vaio, Compaq, Micron but a slew of other brands and models of PCs had this type of look more than half a decade ago! So how does the new one not look dated if using the PC industry trends for style as a gage? If you like you can look up these old models and see where Apple got their inspiration for the Frankenbooks. [ No, sorry, they were clunky pieces of *****, do not compare that garbage with the new slim and lithe MBP... ]
NEW MBP = improved screen, excellent keyboard, vastly improved chassis rigidity, now looks as sexy as my Aluminium iMac, quick swap hard drive, improved graphics, et cetera...
Could you please provide the technical specification improvements that the new Frankenbook display are achieving with the same display panel in them? I would really love to see that. [ Hmmm, how about the layer of glass making it possible to keep the sucker clean so you don't have to look at your "Pro" work through fields of fly-***** and finger prints... ] Don't tell me that trapped hairs, assembly process fingerprints and dust behind the new glass cover are providing these same panels to somehow perform more brilliantly either. [ I think you're referring to lack of attention in the manufacturing process rather than design flaws... ]
As for sexy, that is solely your opinion. [ Perhaps the collection of world's best industrial designers working at Apple will concur with my opinion, not yours... ] Remember one mans treasure is anothers junk.
[ Best you have a nice cup of tea and a lie down with a couple of headache pills, you'll probably feel much better when you wake up... ]