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Provoke all you want, but Apple WAS about both form and function to an impeccable degree. Think Cinema Display (RIP). Speaking as a design director who's been working all day with Macs for the last couple decades and can afford to buy the whole lineup a few times over. I'd rather buy something that doesn't offend my eyes. What's your point exactly?

Steve, you are so missed.

The statement "I'd rather buy something that doesn't offend my eyes." is hyperbole at its finest. Yes, the Silver aluminum Cinema Displays were works of art, I still have a 20" model hanging out somewhere around my office. But to suggest that you are offended by a rather bland and innocuous looking computer display's industrial design just cheapens the word's meaning. I am reasonably sure your eyes will be just fine if you concentrate more on the content being shown on the 5K display since that is your job after all, right? We can play design critique all day, but LG isn't paying your salary.

Once upon a time, Apple was the boundary pusher with regards to flat panel displays when others were still hawking a 1280x1024 panel as "Hi-Res" and trying to make us ignore the specs that said it had a VGA connector on it. Those days are over and we're well past the point of Apple making a meaningful impact at the consumer level with a 4K and 5K display that would cost easily twice what consumers want to pay now. I have a Dell P2415Q, a Dell U2414H (my wife's computer) and a BenQ SW271. All black plastic ugly boxes, but gorgeous displays for the cost and times they were purchased in and economical compared to the LG UltraFine 4K and 5K, much less some nuveau Aluminum art piece from Apple. They wisely chose the top end for Pros and are giving them something with serious ID, love it or hate it, that takes technology from much costlier displays and puts it in more professional hands, but make no mistake the tech in that display is the real superstar, not Jony Ive's design.

Said simply, I doubt the Russo Brothers, Quentin Tarantino or Martin Scorsese are concerned with the design of a Sony BVM-HX310 when they are watching dailies of the movie they are currently shooting, but are way more concerned with the color, the sharpness and the look of the footage they shot that just cost their producer a few million dollars to film.
 
Imagine having the most svelte and streamlined tablet on the market connected to a fugly bezel-thick monitor that looks like it came out of a ca. 2007 accounting firm. The resolution would be the least of my concerns.

I looked for the sarcasm /s or joking symbol, but from subsequent posts you are serious. That's taking form over function to an extreme. Does it work? always is my first concern. How it looks my last. I think a lot of people agree. But hey, maybe you should apply for Jony Ive's old job.
 
Well, there are cables that have a DP plug at one end and a USB-C plug at the other. But I'm not sure that is what you mean.
To answer this as simple as I can. Even though they make they have usb to display port. All it does is change the connector. It doesn’t change the technology or signal capabilities. So it’s just a usb with a different plug.
 
It's amazing how often people gripe about "form over function" and then... demand it when they don't like the form.
In this case people do not ask for form over function. They just want a better design. It won’t affect the function of the display.
 
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Theoretically, with an HDMI to USB-C cable like this one, one could attach a PS4 Pro or an Xbox One X to this monitor, right? despite the downscaling from 5k to 4k...
 
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If I may backburner the discussion of people being spun up over the physical design ...

I'm really interested to see the effectiveness/usability/workflow of: a large display + iPad + external input peripherals, particularly in the next major revision or two of iPadOS. Really, the major blocker for using this for general productivity is the need for more screen real estate and non-touch based input (*snicker*, I realize you touch a mouse ... :D), and that's mostly on deck. I'm thinking very specifically for my wife who doesn't need dev tools, but still wants a large display, mouse, decent keyboard and simple inter-application sharing, quick access to various files/local network storage, etc.
 
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Are you sure it’s not worth $1,300? Isn’t it less expensive than the competition? Sure, plastic is less durable than aluminum but it seems to suffice for maybe 99% of monitors sold. People apparently do not handle them with undue care.

Or is your complaint Apple doesn’t make a 27” 4K USB monitor for iPad Pro?

FYI you’re not entitled to a 27” 4K or 5K Apple monitor, and Apple is under no obligation to make you one. My guess is that unlike their 32” 6K monitor, there’s nothing particularly innovative they think they can bring to the 27” 5K space that would be of interest to very many users. Apple isn’t really known to making “me too” products, wouldn’t you agree?


Obligated nope... But I'm also not buying either. So I guess its a case of if you build it they will come. Same argument on phones. They all do in large the same thing. But why buy a Apple over a Samsung? Point is the ACD was a great monitor at $1000 bucks. The new 4k monitors aren't worth that much as prices do come down over time and with apples volume purchasing it's easily feasible. They chose not to. I don't buy. No brainer.
 
www.displayport.org states that technically, USB-C can now support 5K resolution.

https://www.displayport.org/displayport-over-usb-c/

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It's just that the 2018 iPad Pro models or the 12" MacBooks can't do it.

However, simultaneous 5K video plus USB support over USB-C is limited to USB 2.0. To get simultaneous 5K + USB 3, you need to use Thunderbolt.
So, 8-bit 5K 444 video requires 22.18 Gbps.

DisplayPort 1.4a is sent over USB-C via Alt Mode, four lanes at up to 8.1 Gbps, or 32.4 Gbps total. Subtract 20% for overhead and you get 25.9 Gbps.

So, the math works. You can send 8-bit 5K over USB-C. I wonder if it's just that none of the chipsets supported it previously, but that could change going forward... including in a 2019 iPad Pro.

We're still out of luck for 10-bit HDR 5K though.
 
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I looked for the sarcasm /s or joking symbol, but from subsequent posts you are serious. That's taking form over function to an extreme. Does it work? always is my first concern. How it looks my last. I think a lot of people agree. But hey, maybe you should apply for Jony Ive's old job.
It's not that he values form over function, it's that he's a contrarian who really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really hates Tim Cook and today's Apple and takes any opportunity to express it.
 
So, 8-bit 5K 444 video requires 22.18 Gbps.

DisplayPort 1.4a is sent over USB-C via Alt Mode, four lanes at up to 8.1 Gbps, or 32.4 Gbps total. Subtract 20% for overhead and you get 25.9 Gbps.

So, the math works. You can send 8-bit 5K over USB-C. I wonder if it's just that none of the chipsets supported it previously, but that could change going forward... including in a 2019 iPad Pro.

We're still out of luck for 10-bit HDR 5K though.

That extra 2-bits sure is costly all the way around, but it’s delightful when you see it in person! If Intel can ever ship Ice Lake/10nm, perhaps their new media capabilities will help make it a bit less costly.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...re/10th-gen-core-mobile-processors-brief.html
 
Will Apple lower the price for 2018 iPad pro users who want to buy this monitor? Hmm
 
Those days are over and we're well past the point of Apple making a meaningful impact at the consumer level with a 4K and 5K display that would cost easily twice what consumers want to pay now. I have a Dell P2415Q, a Dell U2414H (my wife's computer) and a BenQ SW271. All black plastic ugly boxes, but gorgeous displays for the cost and times they were purchased in and economical compared to the LG UltraFine 4K and 5K, much less some nuveau Aluminum art piece from Apple.

If you actually care about specs, the Ultrafine 4K/5Ks are good technically. Go try to find a DCI-P3 color display. The 4K can really display a pixel perfect DCI 4K, not just consumer UHD resolutions. They have built-in USB-C power for one-cord docking to laptops. The luminance is much better on those panels, they reach around 600 nits, about twice what those Dells will do.

The Dell U2414H isn't even a 8 bit panel, it's 6+FRC. It's very hard to get 1080 panels that aren't 6 bit anymore. Likewise, 10 bit 4K panels are almost all 8+FRC.

And don't get me started about Dell's insistence on permanently-on overdrive that leaves horrible color artifacts. The 2017s can't even scroll a webpage without flashes of color.

And as I said on another article:
In 2005, the 23 inch Cinema HD was $1,499. That's $1965 today. The 27 inch was $1,000 in 2013, equal to $1100 today. They never were "affordable".

There's not much difference, just inaccurate romanticizing going on.
 
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You can get better or equivalent or good enough for over 50% cheaper
 
When I see an article like this, i get confused. Very, very confused.

The article should be titled, "Surprise! This monitor even works with an ipad. (But why would you want to do that?)"

I happen to know that graphics cards that can handle 5k are a bit bigger and heavier than than an ipad....and they have active cooling...and higher power requirements.

So either apple had discovered some dark magic that changes the laws of physics, or this will work just about as good as i expect, which is not very....

Display photos on your 4k tv? Okay, that makes sense. But use an ipad w/expensive monitor for your photo editing workflow? Incinuating the possibility should be illegal!
 
Where are the use cases for an 8K display?

I am a photographer, and I shoot with Nikon 850s, and I have NEVER seen one of my images at 1:1 on a single monitor. For that to happen I need an 8K monitor...
 
Pretty awesome you can run a 4K monitor with the iPad.

Not really considering the cost when a $35 to $55 Raspberry Pi 4 can output dual 4K displays and it runs full desktop Linux. 8K is the new benchmark anyhow.

Here's a demo with 4K + 1080p.
 
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It they get Thunderbolt 3/USB 4. There's not enough bandwidth on the current USB connection. It is, however, nice that non-TB machines can at least use the monitor now.

thunderbolt3/USB4 isn't the primary issue. Doe the GPU have two , DisplayPro v1.2 (DP v1.2 ) streams to output or not. If the GPU doesn't have those then Thunderbolt3/USB 4 is a non issue. If the GPU has the ability to do DP v1.4 and the monitor can't take a single stream then the issue would fall back on the monitor.

There is enough alt mode bandwidth on the Display Port alt mode connection. DisplayPort alt mode with DPv1.4 is in the Type C alt mode standard. but if don't have a source for that the port and cable aren't going to make a difference.

The recently discontinued MacBooks are in the same boat. Those GPUs are older and only have one DP v1.2 stream hooked up to the port.
 
Well that's not a surprise - I'm pretty sure standard USB-C can't carry a 5k 60hz signal, it's not in the spec for starters.
It is just a connector. What it can carry depends on the alternative mode.
it has not enough bandwidth , since tb3 is still under Intel license
www.displayport.org states that technically, USB-C can now support 5K resolution.
What does any of your above rant have to do with the fact that USB doesn’t have sufficient bandwidth to support 5K? Or did you post to the wrong thread?

5k @ 60Hz needs either two DisplayPort 1.2a cables (8 lanes) in 'MST' mode (where each cable drives half of the screen) ...or a single DisplayPort 1.4 cable (4 lanes - faster speed), but in the latter case the computer's GPU, monitor and the USB-C/TB controller all need to support DisplayPort 1.4 and single-stream 5k.

Until last year, Thunderbolt controllers didn't support DisplayPort 1.4 at all, but since Thunderbolt has a higher bandwidth and multiplexes DisplayPort and PCIe data into a single stream that can use all of the wires in a USB-C cable, it could fit two 'virtual' DisplayPort 1.2 streams on a single cable and drive a 5k display in MST mode.

USB-C alt mode (i.e. a non-TB display and/or a non-TB computer connected via USB) simply works by 'switching' some of its 4 high-speed data wires to carry raw DP signals, and has always supported DisplayPort 1.4 on paper, but that doesn't mean that all USB-C controllers support it - none of teh early implementations did, the Intel controllers in pre-2018 Macs don't, and its irrelevant to the 13" MBP and Air because their Intel iGPUs don't.

Maybe the iPad Pro can output 5k DisplayPort 1.4 over USB-C, maybe it can't, but the odds are that the LG display only implements it via 2xDP1.2-over-Thunderbolt, because most of the Macs out there can't do DP.1.4.

(Presumably Apple's new $1k XDR display stand can use DP1.4, at least over Thunderbolt, but you need the optional $5k display for that).


So to be clear the previous generation 5K display was unable to handle an iPad Pro 2018 connected to it? Can anyone verify this? I've read the previous generation 4K display worked fine with iPad Pro 2018.

The previous version of the 4k was USB-C DisplayPort Alt Mode only, and would work with an iPad or 12: MB, while the previous 5k was Thunderbolt only and would only work with a MBP or Air. Pre-2018, unlike the 'host' ports on computers, the socket on a peripheral device could only be one or the other - but the latest Thunderbolt controllers fixed that.

Both of the revised displays now have dual mode inputs that can work in either Thunderbolt or USB-C Alt Mode.
 
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