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Lion Clean Install Requires Snow Leopard Disk?

No it doesnt.

Please rest assured that this is only referring to an easy install for the laymen user. I have already used the Lion Developer Preview 4 to do a clean install in the typical fashion (booted from a flash drive, wiped current drive, and reinstalled directly from flash drive).

The installation screens look very similar to the new login screen (the grey linen background) and really seemed almost identical to a snow leopard install, the only difference being the newly polished lion gui.

There were a couple modifications that had to be made to the package apple has available for download, but it literally was a matter or dragging a specific folder or two out of the install package.

so not only is it possible, but ive done it.
 
I can just imagine Steve Jobs in TRON where the "inside" is a perfect world running on IOS.

Jobs would say:
Oh we have a use-eeer who wants to install from physical media! (drawing a booo from the crowd)

Listen, you recently have been demoted to a "device"!
 
iBug2 said:
I don't think they'll ship the mac without any means of recovering if your HD is damaged. That doesn't make sense.
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It makes sense if you consider that the latest iMac HD is not user-replacable.

JohnDoe98 said:
If you read the comment to which your quote was responding, then you would realize that with Lion on a usb stick there is no need to download it again if the HDD dies.
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As been previously mentioned, there is no user-friendly, Apple-sanctioned way of doing this at the moment. For most Mac users, it may as well not exist because they aren't going to notice it.

This thread is going in circles..
 
Both the icloud and this new system of OS install seem to be targeted toward the Air.

I can imagine a meeting at Apple:

"We want the Air to be the top selling laptop and phase out the MBP line. What can be done?"

"Well the price of SSD isn't coming down fast enough and the capacity isn't big enough yet. That is a big hurtle."

"Ok lets change how we do things and make the Air more desirable"

....

Result:

1. icloud emerges to remove the storage capacity problem.

2. New OS install method results from combination of App store success and a desire to remove dependency of most Air owners on external optical drives.

The second item is more of a long term goal.

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So it is pretty clear to all except for a few trying to spread misinformation that there is no issue here at all. Reinstalling if necessary will be no problem.

An I just looked into the App Store requirements. 10.6 is required. Not 10.6.#.

So after installing SL you would need to download App Store then Install Lion. You wouldn't need to go through the SL updaters.
 
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mungler said:
I predict:
[...]- GM version of Lion will have a simple option to burn a boot disc or create a bootable USB stick, for those upgrading from Snow Leopard. It might even prompt you to do so when you first boot.
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This would be a perfectly fine way to handle the issue, IMO.
 
Steve Jobs' email replies are so short.
They are short because Steve knows that people will post his replies all over the internet spreading even more rumors. If I were him, I wouldn't answer anybody!
 
LoganT said:
The iMac HD has never really been user-replaceable. Sure, you could do it, but it was a huge pain.
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True.

But I think the reference is to the temperature sensor built into the Apple Drives. I think this is a big mistake by Apple. Well the idea is great. But they should allow third parties the option of providing it on HD's for replacement.

To me that is a real mistake on Apple's part. I think it will really hurt imac sales. More so than this non-issue discussed on this thread.
 
*LTD* said:
Thank "one of the only bad things about the company" for your "Apple computer" and OS X, which you've been using exclusively. He's kinda responsible for all that. Add to that Apple's current value and about $70 billion in cash. Add e that the iPad, iPhone, iTunes . . . you get the idea.

We like Steve Jobs because Apple consistently makes far and away the best products in consumer tech. I don't know about "worship", but the man knows his stuff. From near-bankruptcy to the most valuable company in tech, in around only ten years.

He can be the biggest prick on earth as long as he keeps rolling out the Apple gear. Because that's all that really matters. More great Apple stuff. If that's taken care of he can bark like a dog and do cartwheels for all anyone cares. And I speak for the majority of consumers when I say this. Unequivocally.
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My point was that it sounds like he is a big ******. Your point, I guess, is that you don't care if he is an ******, as long as he makes good stuff. Perfectly fine point of view. I personally think it portrays the company in a negative light and doesn't exactly make me think good thoughts about Apple.

He doesn't have to respond to any emails. The fact that he chooses to respond to some, and comes off like such a prick, is odd to me. And I feel it speaks volumes about him as a person.

I picture him just randomly thinking to himself "hey, it's been a while since I've looked at my emails. Let me pick one at random and respond in the most dickish way possible."
 
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PVguy said:
"Rather than burn your own recovery to make clean installs, you are willing to pay more for the competition's os and leave the Apple ecosystem?"

The competition's OS is free (Linux variant of choice). Apple's ecosystem is increasingly oriented to I-gadgets I don't have.

In 2002 I bought a top of the line Mac Quicksilver. In 2009 I replaced that with a bottom of the line Mac mini. In 201x, well, we will see.
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Linux was always free. So why didn't you switch before? Oh yeah, because it sucks compared to MacOS X. Again, this is all about you having to make a boot disk? Is that really so bad that you want to switch to Linux? I doubt it. If that were true, you would have switched long ago.
 
miografico said:
I have an Audi Q5 I am selling, but to buy it you also have to buy my A7.

Entitlement? Are you really that serious? This is gimmick it's double dipping on a lot of consumers who chose not to upgrade to SL. It's not the outraged consumers who have the entitlement problem here.
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I have Photoshop 2.5 for System 7. What do you mean Adobe won't sell me an upgrade?
 
I think people need to stay calm. Nobody would know for sure until Lion is officially released. Obviously from developer preview users, we already know that you can make your own bootable DVD/USB stick with Lion, so I don't see why Apple would change that, or at least put out a kb to list the steps. Again, remember when SL was released, Apple specifically said it requires Leopard for upgrade. Many people were worried about that too. In reality, one can boot off SL DVD straight and do a clean install on a blank drive.

Normal users would probably not notice as Lion would put a restore partition. This is nothing new in the world of Windows with companies like HP never even include a Windows nor restore DVD with their PCs. Since most Macs now have their hard-drives fairly difficult to be accessed by users, the lay people would simply go to the Genius bar when their hard-drives broke and the Genius can install the OS for them. Advance user can simply make their own bootable DVD/USB stick. Imo newer Macs with Lion will have those USB sticks with Lion in it, just like the latest MBA having SL on a USB stick.

So people, stop the FUD. If you are advance enough to know that you want a bootable DVD/USB stick, you are probably already know how to right click and click on "show package contents," or check out the forums for instructions. Sure, ideally Apple should have a utility that does this automatically and they probably would, but it's not the end of the world.
 
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Wouldn't it be possible to install Lion the normal way, and then do a clean install of Lion, using the recovery partition?
 
benthewraith said:
Doesn't the App Store require a software update to 10.6.6?
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You know the one page on Apple's web site says simply 10.6 is required.

Another pages says it comes bundled with 10.6.6.

It says on the App store page (same that gives 10.6 as a requirement) that it will appear as a stand alone download. So I am not sure now. I guess to test, software update would need to be run on 10.6 and see if it shows up.

I'm going by Apple's site though which says 10.6.

Perhaps it is 10.6.6 though since it was bundled with that.

Anyway I imagine there will be a minimum combo updater to get to the app store. Why go all the way to 10.6.8 just to install Lion?
 
ten-oak-druid said:
Both the icloud and this new system of OS install seem to be targeted toward the Air.

I can imagine a meeting at Apple:

"We want the Air to be the top selling laptop and phase out the MBP line. What can be done?"

"Well the price of SSD isn't coming down fast enough and the capacity isn't big enough yet. That is a big hurtle."

"Ok lets change how we do things and make the Air more desirable"

....

Result:

1. icloud emerges to remove the storage capacity problem.

2. New OS install method results from combination of App store success and a desire to remove dependency of most Air owners on external optical drives.

The second item is more of a long term goal.

***

So it is pretty clear to all except for a few trying to spread misinformation that there is no issue here at all. Reinstalling if necessary will be no problem.

An I just looked into the App Store requirements. 10.6 is required. Not 10.6.#.

So after installing SL you would need to download App Store then Install Lion. You wouldn't need to go through the SL updaters.
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the app store comes with 10.6.6
you can't download it separately
and you will need 10.6.8 in order to get Lion from the Mac App Store anyway
that's a known fact
 
Apple has surrendered the personal computer market to Microsoft in exchange for pursuing the far more profitable mobile device market.

It's also safe to say with the underwhelming release of FCP X that Apple has officially surrendered the creative market, too. Apple is now about consumption, not creativity. The irony being that soon most of what Apple owners will be consuming will be created in Windows or Linux.
 
It sounds like Apple is hedging. Judging the amount of development time required to easily allow a bare install outside of the Mac App Store against the number of users who'd need to do that and the resulting ill will that not providing the functionality will cause.
 
JohnDoe98 said:
Why do you think the new macs won't come with recovery flash disks? Is there any evidence to speculate along these lines whatsoever?
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Nobody has said anything, which is a bit scary - true, one day optical discs are going to fade into history, but even Apple's attempt at the flash-only Macbook Airs is just the start - discs are still currently alive and well (or, as you said, maybe we *will* get flash drives with the OS...as long as we get (or can make) a physical backup *somehow*.


dashiel said:
Last point. This is just more evidence that iCloud is much, much bigger than what they’ve announced so far. Reformatting and clean installs are the relics from last century. The industry is stuck, so Apple is bringing the mountain to Mohammed. The days of having to give even a passing thought to storage are numbered. Like the floppy before it, Apple will stop shipping hard drive based consumer Macs and laptops within the next 2 years. The MacPro within the next 5.
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QFT.

I think in order to have the ultimate in easily restorable computers, Apple would need to build some sort of "basic OS" into the EFI/Firmware (Sorry, I don't know much about EFI - I'm still much more familiar with a BIOS system.)

Point is - Have this basic OS/Shell which is always there, always available, so even if you don't have an OS disc, if you have a wired connection, it can ask for your iTunes ID, and if it finds that you've purchased Lion (or whatever the current OS is at that time), it can download and begin the install.

This sounds kinda convoluted, and it certainly wouldn't appear for many years, but this may be the easiest way to obtain OS updates in the future, once optical discs and flash drives are outmoded.
 
Silverstring said:
DVD version of Lion for $60.

Those of us who don't care/already have SL get the MAS discount.

The Chicken Littles pay for the privledge/convenience of getting exactly what they want, and don't have to pay for separate SL and MAS copies $30 + $30.

Any reason why this wouldn't work?
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none.
 
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