It's not hard, but it's not obvious, as I said. You aren't going to know about it unless you read tech forums. How many mac users actually know what "Show Package Contents" actually does?
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Lion Clean Install Requires Snow Leopard Disk?
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It's not hard, but it's not obvious, as I said. You aren't going to know about it unless you read tech forums. How many mac users actually know what "Show Package Contents" actually does?
Nightarchaon
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Well thank you mr jobs , that's my move back to a PC sorted, I was waiting for lion to launch and then drop £2000 on a nice new iMac but I think I'll custom build a PC that I can clean re-install at will rather than have to install, patch then update
Bye bye OSX I'll be sorry to lose you 🙁 Hello performance and comparability
Bye bye OSX I'll be sorry to lose you 🙁 Hello performance and comparability
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
I do not find it acceptable that it requires SL to upgrade. It should be any Mac that has the specs to run it should be able to upgrades since it should of come with a new enough OS for it to be acceptable.
I do not expect its market penetrations to be as deep as even SL but still fairly deep in a short time span. Reason I say that is I do not think SL is even as deep as a typic new OS from Apple. 70% is pretty bad for Apple which I want to say would generally get to 80-90%+ very easily in a short time span. It seems to be a trend that people are not jumping to the next OS like they used to with Apple.
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It really wouldn't be hard for Apple to create an option in the installer to create a bootable recvoery disk along with instructions. One wonders why they aren't doing it. The only eason I an think of it they want to discourage people sharing the Lion installer and would prefer that everyone download it for themselves so hat they can claim we had x many downloads of Lion last quarter...
It is more likely that whoever is answering these emails to S. Jobs is ignorant then this is true. I more that Jobs himself is confused before I'd bed some sane software engineer build a system like that.
Seriously, if true this means Apple will have to continue to sell boxed copies of Snow Leopard for many, many years just so that people can fix broken hard drives. And even if you buy a new computer next year with lion pre-installed you still need a copy of Snow Leopard. That is dumber than dumb and now matter what Steve think can't be true. Apple will have to continue to maintains SN so that it will run on new hardware as it comes out over the next few years.
Well maybe Steve is correct but he is only talking about right at this instant in time and this will change once Lion is actually released. Perhaps Lion's Disk Utility will have a "Make boot-able restore disk" function?
Seriously, if true this means Apple will have to continue to sell boxed copies of Snow Leopard for many, many years just so that people can fix broken hard drives. And even if you buy a new computer next year with lion pre-installed you still need a copy of Snow Leopard. That is dumber than dumb and now matter what Steve think can't be true. Apple will have to continue to maintains SN so that it will run on new hardware as it comes out over the next few years.
Well maybe Steve is correct but he is only talking about right at this instant in time and this will change once Lion is actually released. Perhaps Lion's Disk Utility will have a "Make boot-able restore disk" function?
That's gold! Rather than burn your own recovery to make clean installs, you are willing to pay more for the competition's os and leave the Apple ecosysem? Rich.
you are able to upgrade if your system is capablpe and you have the MAS. Don't want SL? No problem, find a way to run the MAS on Leopard and your good to go. The hacking you will need to do and sweat over likely won't be worth the 30$ SL costs...
"getting the thing to boot when no usable OS is on the internal!"
The return of the network boot floppy in system 7.5! Or the boot floppy that gave you just enough of the OS to get the CD rom drive running, so you could install from that.
Boy, that takes me back. Remember when we thought being able to boot from CD was really cool? I remember all the fuss that resulted when my non-apply CD required a driver 100 K bigger than the Apple CD-rom driver, and wouldn't fit on the floppy. I worked around it somehow, but it was an exercise in pain.
Since I have have no desire to return to "special boot floppy" days, or special boot USB keys, I'll just sit this upgrade out. SInce I don't own a cell phone or ipad I am losing nothing of consequence.
The return of the network boot floppy in system 7.5! Or the boot floppy that gave you just enough of the OS to get the CD rom drive running, so you could install from that.
Boy, that takes me back. Remember when we thought being able to boot from CD was really cool? I remember all the fuss that resulted when my non-apply CD required a driver 100 K bigger than the Apple CD-rom driver, and wouldn't fit on the floppy. I worked around it somehow, but it was an exercise in pain.
Since I have have no desire to return to "special boot floppy" days, or special boot USB keys, I'll just sit this upgrade out. SInce I don't own a cell phone or ipad I am losing nothing of consequence.
Bubba Satori
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robeddie
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The sense of entitlement is astounding. Remember, SL + Lion combined is still cheaper than the cost of any single windows OS. How can people complain? Would you prefer to have prices like Windows does but that doesn't require SL? Think of SL as susidizing Lion, just like your Carriers subsidize the price of your phones. Seriously...
Easy solution...
DVD version of Lion for $60.
Those of us who don't care/already have SL get the MAS discount.
The Chicken Littles pay for the privledge/convenience of getting exactly what they want, and don't have to pay for separate SL and MAS copies $30 + $30.
Any reason why this wouldn't work?
DVD version of Lion for $60.
Those of us who don't care/already have SL get the MAS discount.
The Chicken Littles pay for the privledge/convenience of getting exactly what they want, and don't have to pay for separate SL and MAS copies $30 + $30.
Any reason why this wouldn't work?
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5. Wrongest (if that is even a word)
AAPLaday
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I think people would prefer to pay SL + Lion price for the Lion OS but get it on DVD
"Rather than burn your own recovery to make clean installs, you are willing to pay more for the competition's os and leave the Apple ecosystem?"
The competition's OS is free (Linux variant of choice). Apple's ecosystem is increasingly oriented to I-gadgets I don't have.
In 2002 I bought a top of the line Mac Quicksilver. In 2009 I replaced that with a bottom of the line Mac mini. In 201x, well, we will see.
The competition's OS is free (Linux variant of choice). Apple's ecosystem is increasingly oriented to I-gadgets I don't have.
In 2002 I bought a top of the line Mac Quicksilver. In 2009 I replaced that with a bottom of the line Mac mini. In 201x, well, we will see.
First guys, i don't understand why you'd want to make a clean install? A clean install only makes sense if you are going to restart with virgin user accounts and don't have a problem if programm settings get restored/lost. If you're going to reimport the user accounts from time machine you can as well do an upgrade, the difference is minimal. A clean install would get you rid of a few MB on config files in the Library folder on Macintosh HD, but some support files/settings from applications you still use will get lost. You'll probably have to reinstall some applications.
Then:
-There's no word if new macs will come with some sort of recovery media, probably on an usb stick. That might well be the case.
-If you get your harddisk replaced at an Apple Store, AASP you might get a harddrive that has a Lion recovery partition/Lion preinstalled. Anyone got a harddrive replaced by Apple and can tell me if the harddrive had an OS installed or not? I guess you might get a harddrive with OS X preinstalled, like you get when you buy a new mac.
-If you want to do a clean install from Snow Leopard: you either can cleaninstall Snow Leopard first (of which you should have a media), and then install Lion over it or install Lion over it first and then reinstall it from the recovery partition from where a clean install is possible. I don't see your problems here.
As long as new macs still ship with a revoery media, there shouldn't be a problem.
Then:
-There's no word if new macs will come with some sort of recovery media, probably on an usb stick. That might well be the case.
-If you get your harddisk replaced at an Apple Store, AASP you might get a harddrive that has a Lion recovery partition/Lion preinstalled. Anyone got a harddrive replaced by Apple and can tell me if the harddrive had an OS installed or not? I guess you might get a harddrive with OS X preinstalled, like you get when you buy a new mac.
-If you want to do a clean install from Snow Leopard: you either can cleaninstall Snow Leopard first (of which you should have a media), and then install Lion over it or install Lion over it first and then reinstall it from the recovery partition from where a clean install is possible. I don't see your problems here.
As long as new macs still ship with a revoery media, there shouldn't be a problem.
My way of installing lion
Ok so I been updating to all developer P.. and on 4 I wanted to install only Lion but couldn't so what i did to only having lion was
1.Format your drive for 2 partitions
2.Install SL on the 2 partition --untitled 2
3,Install Lion on partition 1
4.Boot to Lion
5.Open Disk Utility
6.Delete SL and then drag the first Partition Down
There it is if Lion is Your second partition you will lose whatever space you had on it
Good luck still buggy like ios5
Ok so I been updating to all developer P.. and on 4 I wanted to install only Lion but couldn't so what i did to only having lion was
1.Format your drive for 2 partitions
2.Install SL on the 2 partition --untitled 2
3,Install Lion on partition 1
4.Boot to Lion
5.Open Disk Utility
6.Delete SL and then drag the first Partition Down
There it is if Lion is Your second partition you will lose whatever space you had on it
Good luck still buggy like ios5
robeddie
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What youre saying is what apple is counting on - that we're so trapped inside the qpple ecosystem at this point that we'll swallow any rotten food that they shove down our throats.
Well there's one thing for sure. Apple won't keep installing SL on their new machines. So their new machines will have some method of installing Lion without the user having SL in any form.
Analog Kid
macrumors G3
I'm really not liking where this is heading... You'd think a 4GB download could be turned into a boot disk.
Does anyone know what the adoption rate for Snow Leopard was? [Edit: I see 70% quoted...] Is this a way to force the laggards to buy the SL update in addition to the Lion update?
I've got Snow Leopard-- I just don't want to have to go through this horrendous process to rebuild a machine.
Does anyone know what the adoption rate for Snow Leopard was? [Edit: I see 70% quoted...] Is this a way to force the laggards to buy the SL update in addition to the Lion update?
I've got Snow Leopard-- I just don't want to have to go through this horrendous process to rebuild a machine.