I was able to make a bootable install disk by just burning the file inside the dmg just like mentioned other places here. Booted to DVD and did a clean install on an external partition no problem. I think they just need to make an option to create a bootable recovery dvd in the setup.
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Lion Clean Install Requires Snow Leopard Disk?
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'Couldn't give a toss'... Yet still feel compelled to tell everyone on a mac site what you're doing... Honestly, we care even less. Oh and good luck with the Windows 8 thing....It's nice you like the future Mr Ballmer's handing you... touchscren for desktops! now why didnt Apple think of that?..oh that's right, they did, but rejected it cos it's crap.
I think you already answered your own question without noticing it: The moment you have to "tweak" or "hack" or google for such a thing, you are already trying to find a way around one of the many artificial obstacles that Apple put in their platforms.
Try copying your DRM-free mp3 files directly from an iPhone/iPod to ANY computer.
Try customizing your default OS X theme to something that looks individual.
Try adding system sounds to system events.
Try turning off the Mac's startup "bong".
Why are we forced to buy all apps for an iOS device from Apple's own store? Why do we have to jailbreak the device in order to get software from a different source?
Why does Apple keep Adobe from providing a Flash player for iOS? This should be the user's decision, NOT Apple's!
Why can't I have an app like iBlacklist on an iOS device without jailbreaking it first?
What did Apple think when they banned software like WiFi Analyzer from the AppStore?
How dare Apple censor magazines or tell the publishers that they cannot have nudity or explicit language in their publications when they want to put them in the iTunes store? This wouldn't be a problem if there were other content stores for the iOS platforms, but since Apple is playing the big bully here, it IS a problem. Again, those are choices that the USER should be allowed to make, NOT Apple.
There was a time when I woudn't have said that, but it's come at last: You have more freedom and control over your own system/gadgets in Microsoft land. Apple only lets you "rent" your equipment from them, other vendors grant you full control.
However, I don't want anybody to "grant" me certain rights either. It should be naturally to have full control over your hard- and software. That's why only Open Source-based system are truly acceptable - Linux on the server and desktop (or one of the BSD Unixes), Linux-based Android on the phone and tablet.
Be bold and face the future
As is often the case, Apple's hard-core fans turn out to be Luddites.
The future is staring you in the face, Gentlemen (and Ladies). Who wants to go out to an old-fashioned shop, buy a plastic disc with paper and coin and come home to spend 20 minutes fiddling about bringing their computer up to date? When you can simply click on a button and have it all done for you?
If you really want to play with your computer (replace discs, clean install, tweak the internals) then go get yourself a Linux set-up (or, heaven forfend, Windows). I'll guarantee you'll have a hell of a lot more fun taking it to pieces and putting it back together again.
But use your Mac as it was designed to be used. To browse the internet, send and read emails, play games, make music, listen to music, write letters and stories, organise your photos, tweak your photos, display your photos.... Face it, the Mac is an end-user's machine. It never has been, and never will be, an anorak's machine.
By the way, anyone know what happened to floppy discs?
As is often the case, Apple's hard-core fans turn out to be Luddites.
The future is staring you in the face, Gentlemen (and Ladies). Who wants to go out to an old-fashioned shop, buy a plastic disc with paper and coin and come home to spend 20 minutes fiddling about bringing their computer up to date? When you can simply click on a button and have it all done for you?
If you really want to play with your computer (replace discs, clean install, tweak the internals) then go get yourself a Linux set-up (or, heaven forfend, Windows). I'll guarantee you'll have a hell of a lot more fun taking it to pieces and putting it back together again.
But use your Mac as it was designed to be used. To browse the internet, send and read emails, play games, make music, listen to music, write letters and stories, organise your photos, tweak your photos, display your photos.... Face it, the Mac is an end-user's machine. It never has been, and never will be, an anorak's machine.
By the way, anyone know what happened to floppy discs?
But is it worth jumping ship merely because of that? If you can get all the features you want without leaving Apple's system (and the only one on your list that can't be done is flash on ios), then isn't that the better option than being melodramatic?
Just wondering, what obstacles were you referring to? What things were you being told you could or could not do? I'm legitimately asking, I'm not a fanboy of anything. One reason I ask is because when I first made the transition from windows to apple, it took some getting used to, that's for sure. And since you said you were new to apple, I was wondering what problems you had. Quite frankly, I find apple computers great, for the most part. And I definitely prefer them to Windows. I'm not sure what issues you had with Apple trying to control you... But that's why I'm asking!
I don't find that Apple computers really have any issues like that. Now, if you asked me the same question about iOS devices, I would have a VERY different answer!!! But as far as the computers go, I think they're great for the most part. Anyway, I was asking because perhaps I could give you some helpful suggestions...
Me. Spending 20 minutes beats a download of a couple of hours. Physical cash for physical goods also beats virtual cash for virtual goods. But if going to the next electronics store is too much for you, one can order from amazon.
In the future things won't break. But seriously, this has been addressed multiple times. Read the thread.
Apple software and hardware obviously isn't meant for you. Every item on your "wish list" disgusted me. I am very thankful for the people who make decisions at Apple, because those types of requests would make me hate using Apple products.
This is a fantastic post. I appreciate Apple's forward thinking. I agree that it's antiquated to drive to the store and buy Apple's new OS, pay for a box and DVD that is going to end up in my closet, taking up space, paying tax on the software, etc. Closest Apple store to me is 2 hours, so I'd actually be ordering it, paying for shipping, waiting days for it to come in, etc.
Now, I just click on the App store and it's downloaded. I live that Mac dropped disk drives, and I hope optical media is next. Honestly I don't know if I've ever used the DVD drive on my MacBook. When I read this thread about burning a DVD, I wasn't even sure I had a DVD burner on my MacBook (LOL) because I've never used it.
If anything, I would (if its possible) put my Lion download on a USB stick. They last forever and don't get scratched.
BY THE WAY:
For everyone crying that they have a crappy internet connection, Apple will let you download Lion at their stores or whatever:
http://gizmodo.com/5814419/download...t-apple-stores-if-your-connections-too-crappy
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I'm sure he does know this, but that doesn't mean he wants to announce this option to everyone. It's clear how they *want* this to operate for the majority of users and I'm sure the bulk of the Mac user-base won't know any better to begin with.
I'd bet there is still a way to extract the install image from the App Store download for those of us who want to install in a traditional fashion and cleanly
Optimistically hopeful...
Ecosystem is one of those words that makes me want to stab someone in the eye. Cloud is another. Used to be Enterprise but that one seems to be no longer popular. App is another one. I keep forgetting a lot of the users here where 3-5 years old when I started working.
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Long live the 20th century
As far as I can tell, Lion won't be available on 3.5 inch floppy disc, either.
As far as I can tell, Lion won't be available on 3.5 inch floppy disc, either.
Do they also pay for the gas required to drive 2 hours to their store and the movers required to bring in the 27" iMac ?
As far as I can tell, Lion won't be available on 3.5 inch floppy disc, either.
Too bad it won't be available as a straight .ISO file either and that we'll have to "hack" and "workaround" to get it to work in some of our workflows. If only Apple had done like the Linux vendors of old do... I remember the 90s, when I could download an OS and it came with an app to create bootable media.
2011 and Apple still can't get OS downloads right. "It just works" went out the Window long ago.
Since I have the first SL disk, let's see...
Install 10.6.0 ... 30 minutes
install combo update to 10.6.8 ... another 30 minutes
Upgrade to lion. Another 30 minutes.
90 minute to clean install ... ****
Plus, 30 minutes for a Time Machine restore.
Install 10.6.0 ... 30 minutes
install combo update to 10.6.8 ... another 30 minutes
Upgrade to lion. Another 30 minutes.
90 minute to clean install ... ****
Plus, 30 minutes for a Time Machine restore.
Since I have the first SL disk, let's see...
Install 10.6.0 ... 30 minutes
install combo update to 10.6.8 ... another 30 minutes
Upgrade to lion. Another 30 minutes.
90 minute to clean install ... ****
Plus, 30 minutes for a Time Machine restore.
Just that ? I remember installing Wing Commander II for over 2 hours and having to sit in front of the computer the whole time. Before Multi-tasking.
And I remember having to delete it every 2 days to make room on my then too little 40 MB hard drive.
90 minutes for an OS install sounds like easy stuff.
And let's face it, a lot of you guys are making a big thing out of nothing, who really does "clean" installs of OS X rather than just upgrading ? I upgraded Leopard to Snow Leopard, had 0 issues.
If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it's worth and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago. Steve Jobs, in Fortune, 19 February 1996
The future
Sorry chaosbunny, you seem to have taken my tongue-in-cheek comment too seriously. My point was that, like it or not, software download is inevitably the way of the future.
Until recently I would have agreed with you about physical cash/physical money. However, having recently moved from a large house to a small flat, I now realise the staggering amount of storage space that these things need. And my belief in physical has been badly shaken!
Me. Spending 20 minutes beats a download of a couple of hours. Physical cash for physical goods also beats virtual cash for virtual goods. But if going to the next electronics store is too much for you, one can order from amazon.
Sorry chaosbunny, you seem to have taken my tongue-in-cheek comment too seriously. My point was that, like it or not, software download is inevitably the way of the future.
Until recently I would have agreed with you about physical cash/physical money. However, having recently moved from a large house to a small flat, I now realise the staggering amount of storage space that these things need. And my belief in physical has been badly shaken!
I hope so. Apple needs to learn that they can't smack everything in their loyal users face and get away with it.
Do they also pay for the gas required to drive 2 hours to their store and the movers required to bring in the 27" iMac ?
I've love to see that happen. It would be quite funny to have someone direct a bunch of movers as to where to install their systems in the Apple store. Are there going to be outlets for the macs? Where do you plug them in?