I can't say I'm impressed with the implementation of full screen apps. It doesn't seem much different than the full screen apps that exist for SL. I would have expected Lion give you (at the very least) access to the dock while in full screen mode. Confining one full screen window to one space seems a bit cheap too.
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Isn't it amazing how many of the "issues" people are having can be fixed by selecting/deselecting a preference!?
Will Lion be Apple's Vista?
I installed Lion on a new partition on my iMac, because I was pretty shure, from all what i've seen about exposé/spaces, that it would really suck using Mission Control. And I was right, so now I'm back on SL and it's a great feeling that my trackpad does as I want.
For me, it's like Mission Control came out even before Mac OSX Leopard, for some simple reasons:
MC has one-dimensional spaces, and L and SL give you the possibility of using a 3x3 Matrix, which works great on a 27" screen. I can use the middle screen for my primary work, and the for adjacent spaces for other, less important suff, so using these 5 spaces is much easier then using 5 on Lion.
Then Lion can't show me all open windows at once, which L could and SL did an even better job.
When using MC, I can see my windows grouped, but if I've 3 Safari windows open and several other windows, I can't see all my windows at once, just the application windows.
While seeing all my spaces in L&SL, and using expose, I can see ALL my windows, and when I hit 'space' I see the a magnification of the app under my mouse, so when I move my mouse, in the same Space, it shows me every app. This doesn't work in Lion, I've to hit 'space' over and over again.
In Lion I can move a window from the active space, to one on the top, but not from the top to another Space, and 'expose'/MC works only in the active Space. On L&SL I can move apps from ererywhere to anywhere(exept when using multiple monitors, which still doesn't work in Lion).
So if you would explain the expose/spaces/MC features of L, SL and Lion properly to a complete outsider but in a random order and then you would ask him, which featureset is the oldest, and which the most advanced, than I'm shure nobody would consider the Lion features to be part of the world's most advanced OS. For me, and for anyone who truely grasps the functionality of SL's Spaces/expose, Apple has just done a giant leap backwards.
Last but not least, their highly praised MultiTouch gestures really suck (at least on a trackpad). When I first interacted with Lion, I felt like a CRIPPLE, because, nothing worked as expected, it was literally like where glasses which turn your world upside down.
The scrolling was inverted, which luckily could easily be fixed, then I could drag with tap to click and the trackpad prefs couldn't help
But then I found the checkbox in Universal Access, which is of course, the first place where any user, who's new to Mac, would go to find this setting So how is it not a downgrade, if a setting moved from the most obvious place to an elusive place like being burried in UA...
When it comes to set up the different MultiTouch gestures, Apple clearly has gone rogue, because I think I was never that confused when using MacOSX, as I was while trying to find the best MultiTouch configuration. Under different tabs, you can set up different actions for 3-finger swipe and other gestures, so if first dragging is 3 fingers, then switching back/forward goes 3 fingers, then dragging is disabled, whitout informing me. Of course users should remember what the other setting are before modifing another, but in SL, I can't think of a gesture which could be used for more than one action, so why should a normal user start to worry obout such things. Well exept for 3 fingers, where I can choose between to actions, so in SL I see my two options and then I can decide, which action I wanna assign that gesture to. So why haven't they adapted this mechanism in Lion, have they gone nuts?!
The most obvious way for a normal thinking mind is the following, which is analog to how you can set up active screen corners in SL (so at least they once had this great idea of simplifying things): you give the user the possibility to assign an ACTION, to each GESTURE, instead of letting the used choose a GESTURE for each ACTION. It's so simple, 5 years ago, it could have been Steve's idea xD.
That way, the worst that can happen if you modify one setting, is that one action is assigned to 2 gestures, so at least no gesture changes it's action unnoted by the user. Isn't this genius?
Another thing is the 'shift' to an iOS lock, but once again they changed the wrong thing. For me, iOS has three main 'views' 1. Apps in folders, which is now LC (added), 2.Full screen apps (added), 3. 'task manager' where I can easily switch my apps (gone). Why has Apple removed this '4 finger swipe left/right' feature'? It was great and easy to use, I can switch to any open app with 2 gestures and a 4 finger tap. Of course I also could move the mouse to the dock and click on the icon, but 2 finger scrolling to the right app instead of haveing to move my eyes to the tiny icons on the screen edge is much easier
As for fast gesture combinations, I can see all my open windows with 2 gestures ( downleft corner for spaces and exposé, et voilà This is de facto not possible in Lion.
So this proves that in several, IMHO very important aspects of Mac OSX, Lion is a HUGE downgrade from SL, and I really hope Apple reads this and improves Lion in 10.7.1 (which should not be that complicated
Of course other changes in Lion are great, but at least MC is a real Dealbreaker
I installed Lion on a new partition on my iMac, because I was pretty shure, from all what i've seen about exposé/spaces, that it would really suck using Mission Control. And I was right, so now I'm back on SL and it's a great feeling that my trackpad does as I want.
For me, it's like Mission Control came out even before Mac OSX Leopard, for some simple reasons:
MC has one-dimensional spaces, and L and SL give you the possibility of using a 3x3 Matrix, which works great on a 27" screen. I can use the middle screen for my primary work, and the for adjacent spaces for other, less important suff, so using these 5 spaces is much easier then using 5 on Lion.
Then Lion can't show me all open windows at once, which L could and SL did an even better job.
When using MC, I can see my windows grouped, but if I've 3 Safari windows open and several other windows, I can't see all my windows at once, just the application windows.
While seeing all my spaces in L&SL, and using expose, I can see ALL my windows, and when I hit 'space' I see the a magnification of the app under my mouse, so when I move my mouse, in the same Space, it shows me every app. This doesn't work in Lion, I've to hit 'space' over and over again.
In Lion I can move a window from the active space, to one on the top, but not from the top to another Space, and 'expose'/MC works only in the active Space. On L&SL I can move apps from ererywhere to anywhere(exept when using multiple monitors, which still doesn't work in Lion).
So if you would explain the expose/spaces/MC features of L, SL and Lion properly to a complete outsider but in a random order and then you would ask him, which featureset is the oldest, and which the most advanced, than I'm shure nobody would consider the Lion features to be part of the world's most advanced OS. For me, and for anyone who truely grasps the functionality of SL's Spaces/expose, Apple has just done a giant leap backwards.
Last but not least, their highly praised MultiTouch gestures really suck (at least on a trackpad). When I first interacted with Lion, I felt like a CRIPPLE, because, nothing worked as expected, it was literally like where glasses which turn your world upside down.
The scrolling was inverted, which luckily could easily be fixed, then I could drag with tap to click and the trackpad prefs couldn't help
But then I found the checkbox in Universal Access, which is of course, the first place where any user, who's new to Mac, would go to find this setting So how is it not a downgrade, if a setting moved from the most obvious place to an elusive place like being burried in UA...When it comes to set up the different MultiTouch gestures, Apple clearly has gone rogue, because I think I was never that confused when using MacOSX, as I was while trying to find the best MultiTouch configuration. Under different tabs, you can set up different actions for 3-finger swipe and other gestures, so if first dragging is 3 fingers, then switching back/forward goes 3 fingers, then dragging is disabled, whitout informing me. Of course users should remember what the other setting are before modifing another, but in SL, I can't think of a gesture which could be used for more than one action, so why should a normal user start to worry obout such things. Well exept for 3 fingers, where I can choose between to actions, so in SL I see my two options and then I can decide, which action I wanna assign that gesture to. So why haven't they adapted this mechanism in Lion, have they gone nuts?!
The most obvious way for a normal thinking mind is the following, which is analog to how you can set up active screen corners in SL (so at least they once had this great idea of simplifying things): you give the user the possibility to assign an ACTION, to each GESTURE, instead of letting the used choose a GESTURE for each ACTION. It's so simple, 5 years ago, it could have been Steve's idea xD.
That way, the worst that can happen if you modify one setting, is that one action is assigned to 2 gestures, so at least no gesture changes it's action unnoted by the user. Isn't this genius?
Another thing is the 'shift' to an iOS lock, but once again they changed the wrong thing. For me, iOS has three main 'views' 1. Apps in folders, which is now LC (added), 2.Full screen apps (added), 3. 'task manager' where I can easily switch my apps (gone). Why has Apple removed this '4 finger swipe left/right' feature'? It was great and easy to use, I can switch to any open app with 2 gestures and a 4 finger tap. Of course I also could move the mouse to the dock and click on the icon, but 2 finger scrolling to the right app instead of haveing to move my eyes to the tiny icons on the screen edge is much easier
As for fast gesture combinations, I can see all my open windows with 2 gestures ( downleft corner for spaces and exposé, et voilà
This is de facto not possible in Lion.So this proves that in several, IMHO very important aspects of Mac OSX, Lion is a HUGE downgrade from SL, and I really hope Apple reads this and improves Lion in 10.7.1 (which should not be that complicated
Of course other changes in Lion are great, but at least MC is a real Dealbreaker
I never saw it as a problem needing fixing. Even though they were opposite, scrolling in SL and iOS seemed intuitive to me.
Srolling
Not sure why they inverted the finger scrolling with the magic trackpad, which threw me for a loop for several hours before I went into settings and made it go back the way it was before. Problem solved.
Everything else seems smooth.
Not sure why they inverted the finger scrolling with the magic trackpad, which threw me for a loop for several hours before I went into settings and made it go back the way it was before. Problem solved.
Everything else seems smooth.
Actually just open finder, go to preferences and sidebar and you can readd the Macintosh HD to your sidebar with all appropriate folders including the Library.
Would anyone be kind enough to point me in a direction regarding installing Lion on a 32-bit system? I am pretty sure it was on this site that I saw it somewhere initially, but I cannot recall.
Much obliged.
Much obliged.
Yep absolutely right. I'll trust the likes of David Pogue and Walt Mossberg who are always crushingly brutal when it comes to reviewing Apple products. If they report Apple has done something amazing, you know its true.
Address Book concerns
Yeah I really don't like the new address book - I can't add birthdays to my contacts anymore.
It took me a while to figure out that dragging out the corners can resize it
It needs a "add field" in it like was previously and in iOS4
Wish there was a view option to map it larger
Yeah I really don't like the new address book - I can't add birthdays to my contacts anymore.
It took me a while to figure out that dragging out the corners can resize it
It needs a "add field" in it like was previously and in iOS4
Wish there was a view option to map it larger
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That lion plush is the cutest thing ever, btw.
I'm loving Lion. I've been loving it for two weeks now. The only buggy thing I've noticed is in Chrome and Firefox, but that's not a Lion problem, that's their problem.
I pretty much just came here to rant about that adorable stuffed animal.
I'm loving Lion. I've been loving it for two weeks now. The only buggy thing I've noticed is in Chrome and Firefox, but that's not a Lion problem, that's their problem.
I pretty much just came here to rant about that adorable stuffed animal.
An hour to download (Broadband) and 44 minutes to install, then a reboot, then a second reboot and it is ready to go, minus all of the programs that have been moved to the Software Incompatible Folder, and Mail Act-On, Mail-Tags don't work. Well not too bad I guess for $29.00
Just tried it and it works fine on mine. Though I have never used that feature before.
Aperture was a little wonky when in full screen mode. Different elements seemed stuck between the desktop I had the app on and the one it created for the full screen app.
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I used to use Firefox, but in anticipation of Lion and iOS 5 I was giving Safari another go. It works just fine for me in Lion, with the new sliding method of forward and back pages.
I fired up chrome and firefox though and there is no gesture to go forward and back. I can create one within better touch tool but it seems to require a longer 'stroke' to invoke the function.
I have it set to two finger 'page turns' and four finger 'space changes', so 3 fingers isn't doing anything right now. Why isn't there a 'scroll with 3 fingers option' instead of only a 'swipe with 3 fingers option', when regarding forward and back in browser. I would prefer to keep two fingers for only scrolling within the window, for the odd time when I do need horizontal scroll. Then I would use 3 finger for forward back, but I would want the new sliding function.
I set up 3 fingers swipe up or down to invoke the Reader fuction of safari, in BTT.
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It's zippier. Safari is noticeably faster. And my Mac can go to sleep now (unlike the last SL update).
After a 4 hour download, Apple shouldn't have designed an installer which self-destructs. Poor judgement there.
After a 4 hour download, Apple shouldn't have designed an installer which self-destructs. Poor judgement there.
It has changed from the previous three finger method for front and back to four fingers. I don't know about forward, but back at least, in Firefox.
Mission Control
For anyone here creating and using multiple desktops in Mission Control, your in for a shock, Lion only remembers Desktops 1 and 2 only. So if you restart your Mac, any apps on other Desktops will have gone, and you will need to set them up again
Apart from that, all seems good.
I still prefer the 10.6 Finder and Mail interface. These ones in Lion look too primitive, like cave men did them.
For anyone here creating and using multiple desktops in Mission Control, your in for a shock, Lion only remembers Desktops 1 and 2 only. So if you restart your Mac, any apps on other Desktops will have gone, and you will need to set them up again
Apart from that, all seems good.
I still prefer the 10.6 Finder and Mail interface. These ones in Lion look too primitive, like cave men did them.
Ah so I would have to use 3 finger swipe for space switching then.
And regarding only remembering desktop 1 and 2? I had 4 spaces in SL and Lion remembered and set 4 desktops, and remembered which apps opened in each space as well..
When you say it doesn't remember do you mean you reboot and you only have desktop 1 and 2? or 3 and 4 are there but not populated with apps?
front row
I know I'm probably the only one who uses it but I loved it and want it back. Maybe update it a bit. I don't want to have to hack it to get it. A nice placement on the app store in the free section would be appreciated.
I know I'm probably the only one who uses it but I loved it and want it back. Maybe update it a bit. I don't want to have to hack it to get it. A nice placement on the app store in the free section would be appreciated.
As primarily a PC user, I recently spent a day working with OSX Lion and must say in terms of bugs, very minimal, as far as annoyances...
- Didn't like how they inverted the scrolling. Yes it can be restored easily, I understand why they did it, but it was annoying nonetheless. The scrolling feature didn't need to be inverted as most users are accustomed to a normal scrolling behavior. It would've been better if they simply added an "invert scrolling" feature option instead of making it the default, leading some to think something may've gone wrong with the upgrade install.
- 4 finger pinch/spread gesturing... seems cool at first until you try it. It seems Apple wants you to start relying more on gestures than traditional keyboard shortcuts or mouse clicks, which is fine, but I found it to be more of an issue getting it to work correctly. Granted this could be an issue with my fingers as I have a working man's fingers (dry) which is likely affecting the capacitance between the touchpad, I still didn't feel that I needed this feature to go on with my daily routine.
- Show Desktop 4 finger up gesturing gone. I felt this was an amazing feature of OSX pre-Lion only to find out I couldn't do it anymore without an app called BetterTouchTool. It could be because as a Windows Power-User, I'm used to using keyboard shortcuts to access files quickly. F3 is a single button that allows me access to Mission Control should I need to use it (I rarely do because I prefer CMD+TAB to cycle through my open apps).
- Launchpad... okay so now I have an interface that turns my MBP into an iPad... kind of meh IMHO.
- Application compatibility, not bad. Most of my apps are within 1 year old so nearly everything worked without issue, Parallels had an update which installed quickly and painlessly. Granted this isn't an issue with OSX Lion, rather the result of upgrading to it, toggling between Parallels fullscreen to windowed view has a bug where it shows Parallels upside down for a split second before it switches views. This isn't too much of a big deal but it was noticeable and just commenting on it.
- Didn't like how they inverted the scrolling. Yes it can be restored easily, I understand why they did it, but it was annoying nonetheless. The scrolling feature didn't need to be inverted as most users are accustomed to a normal scrolling behavior. It would've been better if they simply added an "invert scrolling" feature option instead of making it the default, leading some to think something may've gone wrong with the upgrade install.
- 4 finger pinch/spread gesturing... seems cool at first until you try it. It seems Apple wants you to start relying more on gestures than traditional keyboard shortcuts or mouse clicks, which is fine, but I found it to be more of an issue getting it to work correctly. Granted this could be an issue with my fingers as I have a working man's fingers (dry) which is likely affecting the capacitance between the touchpad, I still didn't feel that I needed this feature to go on with my daily routine.
- Show Desktop 4 finger up gesturing gone. I felt this was an amazing feature of OSX pre-Lion only to find out I couldn't do it anymore without an app called BetterTouchTool. It could be because as a Windows Power-User, I'm used to using keyboard shortcuts to access files quickly. F3 is a single button that allows me access to Mission Control should I need to use it (I rarely do because I prefer CMD+TAB to cycle through my open apps).
- Launchpad... okay so now I have an interface that turns my MBP into an iPad... kind of meh IMHO.
- Application compatibility, not bad. Most of my apps are within 1 year old so nearly everything worked without issue, Parallels had an update which installed quickly and painlessly. Granted this isn't an issue with OSX Lion, rather the result of upgrading to it, toggling between Parallels fullscreen to windowed view has a bug where it shows Parallels upside down for a split second before it switches views. This isn't too much of a big deal but it was noticeable and just commenting on it.
this one got to me as well. I too tried using BTT to fix it but I found it didn't work as I hoped. If I four finger down to show desktop and then four finger up to bring windows back, it would instead launch mission control. Also, along the same lines, if I four finger up to show mission control and then down to go back to what I was doing, it would instead invoke the show desktop. Not the 'you can do the opposite motion to go back' way it was in SL.
The 'claw' gesture isn't as intuitive for me as I tend to keep my thumb off the trackpad and only have my fingers near it (rest my thumb in front of magnetic latch)