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Live Coverage of Apple's 'Come See What 2011 Will Be the Year Of' Event

PlipPlop said:
Its just like the ipad was when first out. It takes time for the apps to be made. You can run old Android apps on it too like the ipad.
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Yes, it takes time, and it was months before the iPad got a lot of great, tablet specific apps. Now, they are endless. Fortunately for Apple, there was no other competitor in this market offering anything better. But the iPad has beem out for a year now when the Xoom and other tablets begin to trickle out.

As a buyer, your choice, right now, is between a Xoom that does pretty much nothing except run Honeycomb (which is, for many, apparently enough), and an iPad with basically identical or better specs (we'll see how Xooms battery is) and thousands of apps - including several excellent first party apps between iMovie, Garageband, Pages, and Keynote, etc. Not to mention all of the games, art and design apps, news and RSS feed apps, and many many other music apps. The options are literally endless such that anyone who buys an iPad can probably find over a dozen apps that really work for them.

And since Apple is leading by such a large margin, all the Xoom is going to get for the foreseeable future is ports of iPad apps that some of us have been enjoying for months now. And beyong that, developers will always release software into Apple's appstore before or alongside the Android version.

None of this is to say the Xoom is a bad device. Just that it is behind. And all the people bitching and whining about the iPad and claiming the Xoom is so obviously a much better device because it has widgets or some **** don't know what the hell they're talking about.
 
Wolfie Scooter said:
So with the A5 chip and hopefully a decent amount of memory, could a Psystar or similar company figure out how to load Snow Leopard (or Lion) onto the iPad 2 and sell for a profit?

Shouldn't break the EULA because it's :apple: software on :apple: hardware...
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im pretty sure you cant run the full mac os x via the ARM architecture...
 
dgree03 said:
Whats less intuitive about honeycomb, explain? Why is iOS more intiutive?

Name some bugs from your experience with Honeycomb?
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What? You want someone to have an actual rational and reasoned argument based on real information? That's absurd, you've got the wrong place buddy.

Anyway...allow me....

Honeycomb...is like...ridiculous yeah...it's full of bugs...and stuff...and it gives people diabetes. And we all know how bad that is.
 
dgree03 said:
Specs dont matter remember. /s
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They matter, but not as much as Apple haters claim. I'm still not sure exactly what Xoom owners are going to do on their tablets with all of these specs. As someone who has actually owned one of these tablet devices for the last year, I'm aware of their limitations. It comes down to apps, and Xoom will have none. When they do come out, they will be ports of apps iPad users have had for months. New apps will release on both platforms, probably on the App store first as it is a much more reliable revenue source.

These claims that 1GB of ram or Tegra 2 or whatever will result in some drastically different experience are delusional.
 
dgree03 said:
Whats less intuitive about honeycomb, explain? Why is iOS more intiutive?

Name some bugs from your experience with Honeycomb?
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Why bother. It's clear that most in this thread don't have a clue. I myself haven't used honeycomb for more than a few seconds. I found it fine. My big reason for staying on iOS is because I have money invested in the ecosystem with apps. At some point I might cut that chord. I do think there are some great phones and the potential for great devices out there.

If you look at my posting history - you'll see I was completely against the iPad at first. But I ended up buying one on launch day (there was NO line at the store near me in NYC). It was right before my wedding/honeymoon and my reasons for buying it were simply media consumption. Those that expected a magical device and fantastic content creation, I felt, we're being ridiculous. I know many people are creating content. But I edit a lot of video. I use photoshop to most of its potential. The iPad then and with the "2" isn't a replacement device. And iMovie for the iPad is great.. but not nearly powerful enough other than for a novice.

But back to the point and why I replied...people will argue that iOS is superior. The fact is - it's very subjective. I find some software created to be very intuitive or "smart" in their UI. I find others clunky. Other people find the reverse to my experience.

And it may be "obvious" - but different strokes for different folks. It's not about being better. Or it shouldn't be at least. What matters is what's better for the individual.
 
iPad saves babies and promotes well being and harmony for all human kind.

Android kills babies and eats their partially formed carcasses.

I know this to be true. Yes Sir I do.

Anyway, not sure if I like the thingy bit where the new magnetic case attaches on. Doesn't look ergonomic enough to fit in with my lifestyle.
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dgree03 said:
Specs dont matter remember. /s
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Any use requiring more than this iPad revision has the Mac Book Air. If you need more, you have the Mac Book. Need more? Mac Book Pro.

Then it's on to the world of the iMac.

This is the way the Planets line up dude. The iPad serves a specific role in the line up.

Spec Dudes will always be Spec Dudes. APPL will sell 40 million iPad2's in 2011. 75% used by people who don't even know what a Multi Core A5 is, or what the A4 was.

The Assimilation Continues. :apple:
 
blueraja said:
Well that goes to show how diverse the user base is, had they released a new one with little changes except for a retina display I wouldn't be interested in an ipad 2. Based on the early rumors I expected the 2nd generation to be skippable to me, i have no interest in cameras or a retina display, i was much more interested in a performance boost now that the features have been revealed i've pretty much made up my mind i'm passing on my 1st gen to my kids. I guess we all have different opinions about whats important in a feature set.
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Yeah, blue, probably why they sell so many: so many different ways to use the thing. For how I use my iPad, hardware performance isn't an issue for me. The display would trump increased performance. For some, like you, performance is crucial. But I'm a writer. For work, anything more than a typewriter is purely convenience. On performance alone -- forgetting internet and wifi, and things like iTunes and iPhone syncing -- I could get along just fine, for work, on a Mac Plus.

Apple's consumer products market is REALLY varied. I'm mad about my iPhone 4. Before that I was mad about my 3GS. My wife didn't even want an iPhone. Until she played with my original iPhone. Then she had to have one. But she STILL has that original iPhone and won't give it up. Each time I've upgraded I've said I'd buy two. It's only a couple hundred bucks with subsidy. But she's just not interested. She won't even swap over to the 3GS I still have. She likes her original. And for good reason: it does everything she needs it to do.
 
k995 said:
Hardware needs to support software, nu real multitasking or tabs that keep reloading in safari is due to 256MB of ram.



Android works just as fine. Thats just as "magical"
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Well...my 19 month old has not used Android, I personally did not find it as user friendly...
 
andrewsd said:
Can't wait for the iFix it break down because I am sure there is probably only 512mb of ram. But hey at least we now know what processor the iPhone 5 will have .
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Rather than just a photo of the ram, I'd like to see some real world performance bench test comparisons.
 
Tones2 said:
I have to admire the way Apple expert marketing techniques can make a minor update like this seem like the the greatest thing on earth. Really, I'm in awe of their marketing. It certainly works on this forum.

Tony
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You seem like a miserable person.

I'm excited about the new iPad and will be getting one ASAP. Look at it this way as a first time iPad buyer, I can get a faster, lighter, smaller iPad with 2 cameras for only $100 more than the current version. No brainer.

For those expecting a huge jump in one generation, that's just not reasonable. I've owned an iPhone since they've first come out and skip a generation between upgrades because there is generally not that much improvement from one to the next.
 
sanford said:
I think it's a way to justify not forking over the money to upgrade. They can't say, hey, it's a great spec update, especially for first-time owners, and a good number of new features, but I'm not upgrading this cycle.
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The counterpoint is that Apple can't shorten a $500+ product's effective lifespan to 12 months. They just can't. Otherwise they'd alienate a sizable section of their market. The sweetspot is keeping enough customers around, keeping things fresh for the more techy, and keeping up on cutting edge technology. This is an excellent update for what it is. That last 5-10% of weight or thickness isn't easy to shave off. A much faster processor is a huge upgrade for what people will use the ipad for. Revamped Airplay will really start changing up the home user experience.

Like on that classic iPod thread where a couple of posters state "I don't get the fuss, I have all my music on CDs" and "5 gbs, big deal, I only need like 2gbs at most." The future usability is unknown really ... unless people think that ipads are only good for AngryBirds and facebooking. Where was the tablet market 1.5 years ago?
 
Glideslope said:
Spec Dudes will always be Spec Dudes. APPL will sell 40 million iPad2's in 2011. 75% used by people who don't even know what a Multi Core A5 is, or what the A4 was.

The Assimilation Continues. :apple:
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The same 75 percent of people won't know why they can't access flash sites either LOL....

Just saying - you can't argue it both ways...
 
dgree03 said:
Whats less intuitive about honeycomb, explain? Why is iOS more intiutive?

Name some bugs from your experience with Honeycomb?
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So locking, freezing, and lag under stress isn't buggy enough. Or how about it took WEEKS for the google servers to respond to our sign in attempts to the app store on my wife's captivate. Couldn't buy apps, couldn't sync calendars, nothing. And then out of the blue on day it just worked. No response from google (You can't even contact them for tech support) and no reason it should have accepted the information after multiple failed attempts. One thing I will say is that when it works it's a very satisfying experience. The apps are scaled for the device and work very well. The problem is that I've still to have an Android device in my house that doesn't freeze up and require a hard reset. I've never had to reset any of my iPhones or any other of my Apple products for that matter. Maybe I'm just lucky, but judging from past experience and sales numbers it looks like there's a lot of lucky people out there.
 
Glideslope said:
Battey Life Baby. In the real world it's gonna be ugly. :cool:
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Xoom battery life is a TANK. Trust me after using it for 1 week it is utterly ridiculous how long it last with Wifi+3g turned on. 12 hours+ with heavy use of email, web, video, IM's, document editing and music playing in the background
 
spob15 said:
Well...my 19 month old has not used Android, I personally did not find it as user friendly...
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You're radiating your 19month olds partially formed eyes with your lazy parenting.

Yes, the above comment was designed to make you go all defensive and crazy.

My niece loves my iPhone. So I understand really.
 
mcapanelli said:
So locking, freezing, and lag under stress isn't buggy enough.
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Not for nothing - but I've had the same experiences on my iPhone, iPad, iMac and MacBook Pro. And not just "once."

Maybe it was your device. Maybe there were a bunch of bad builds. Maybe one of your apps conflicted with another. Who knows. But that's not "proof" that iOS is better/worse than any other OS in itself.
 
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