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Considering that Apple's current OS is 10.6.6, supporting 10.5.8 isn't that bad. If you notice, Microsoft is phasing out XP support. IE 9 requires Vista or 7.

Leopard is only a few years old. XP is far older. Microsoft is phasing it out but that phase out has a 3 year roadmap. Problem with Apple is, no real roadmaps exist.
 
The "toy" image won't go away because Apple really is pushing towards that demographic. Look at how much they focus on apps like Garageband and iMove, all the games etc, yet don't give us any info on VPN, Document Viewing, and things corp. would use. Thats why the Xoom and other will succeed because businesses will buy them in bulk. I know for us we have iPad users moving to Android based devices due to these concerns.

They go where the money is, right now its the consumer market. They have to bring all there products down to the lowest common denominator and it is sad.
 
Fantastic upgrade, better than I expected!

Should make developers happy, as the processor and GPU are much faster, yet the screen size stays the same.

Display mirroring was an unexpected bonus, as was iMovie and Garageband (so much for tablets not being for content creation).
 
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Confused. Does iOS 4.3 work with both iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS, only iPhone 3G's or only iPhone 3GS? It'd be stupid to see iPhone 3G support considering the iPod touch 2G support is dropped and iOS 4 runs absurdly bad on iPhone 3G.

iOS 4 runs just fine on my iPhone 3G since version 4.1 .
 
I like the display mirroring. Though I do not know when or why I would ever need to use it, I definitely think it is a neat idea.
 
This must be coming from someone who doesnt have a xoom? The Google Experience tablet is FAAAAR more intergrated than the Ipad and ios.

Ipad had its bugs, and still has them. Xoom has its bugs too, and those will be worked out over time... as was the iPads.




A XOOM with 1ghz Tegra 2, 1gb of ram, 32gb + microsdhc... 2 cameras..HDMI out, LTE +3g is only $70 more than the equivalent iPad 1 and 2.

You were saying?

Specs on Xoom or the 64GB Ipad for that matter are way to high. I barely use any of the memory on my ipad. Music is on iphone and movies get moved off after I watch them. That leaves photos, apps and books. Maybe now that it does video and music I will create files using that. Oh and I forgot my email. Still 16 GB seems like its plenty.
 
Leopard is only a few years old. XP is far older. Microsoft is phasing it out but that phase out has a 3 year roadmap. Problem with Apple is, no real roadmaps exist.

True, but Apple releases operating systems more often than Microsoft. 10.7 is coming this year. That will be the 8th major OS release since 2000. Microsoft has had 3 (XP, Vista, 7) in the same time (4 if you go back to 1999).
 
They missed it because to them, none of it matters. They only care about tech specs...and in most cases not actual tech specs...just proposed specs of the competition. They're very, very boring individuals.

No one missed it. People are discussing the iPad and it's hardware in this thread.

There's very little discussion about the OS in general because that wasn't the focus of the event.
 
The problem with spec watching is it has no real impact on functionality...I have come to learn this being an owner of apple products. I base my purchases on how I would use a product rather than just saying let me get the most powerful...

I have a 19 moth old child that can efficiently use an iPad. He can switch between apps, he can launch and play spongebob videos...he can really navigate the device. It makes a point that it is a user friendly "magical" device. Most people can pick it up and figure it out. I think that is a great part of apple products. It is about the immersive experience rather than some meaningless spec numbers.
 
The "toy" image won't go away because Apple really is pushing towards that demographic. Look at how much they focus on apps like Garageband and iMove, all the games etc, yet don't give us any info on VPN, Document Viewing, and things corp. would use. Thats why the Xoom and other will succeed because businesses will buy them in bulk. I know for us we have iPad users moving to Android based devices due to these concerns.

Why would they need to focus on vpn, document viewing, etc...there are tons of apps for that. I've been a consultant for years and have had nearly half of my client base at least start dabbling with tablets...none have gone android. I dont know what business your referring to in the business circles I deal with I have never even heard the xoom mentioned, a few have mentioned RIM but then expressed concern over the availability of apps and have been more concerned over ease of use than features.
 
Specs on Xoom or the 64GB Ipad for that matter are way to high. I barely use any of the memory on my ipad. Music is on iphone and movies get moved off after I watch them. That leaves photos, apps and books. Maybe now that it does video and music I will create files using that. Oh and I forgot my email. Still 16 GB seems like its plenty.

So you're arguing that less specs for a higher "base" price is better? WOW.

Yes - 5/6 iPads are cheaper than the Xoom. But the argument you present above isn't a reason to discount a Xoom based on it's (more) impressive specs. LOL
 
With options now to do garage band recording, it's a damn shame they won't let us put in a little memory card to store stuff...

Imagine if you had to go into a camera store to buy a Canon and were forced to decide at the counter what fixed memory capacity you'd like.
 
Why would they need to focus on vpn, document viewing, etc...there are tons of apps for that. I've been a consultant for years and have had nearly half of my client base at least start dabbling with tablets...none have gone android. I dont know what business your referring to in the business circles I deal with I have never even heard the xoom mentioned, a few have mentioned RIM but then expressed concern over the availability of apps and have been more concerned over ease of use than features.

+ 1 here ...in the conversations I have had at F50 clients iPad is the only real option. It is also getting easier since so many employees want iPhones over blackberry...
 
The problem with spec watching is it has no real impact on functionality...I have come to learn this being an owner of apple products. I base my purchases on how I would use a product rather than just saying let me get the most powerful...

Hardware needs to support software, nu real multitasking or tabs that keep reloading in safari is due to 256MB of ram.


I have a 19 moth old child that can efficiently use an iPad. He can switch between apps, he can launch and play spongebob videos...he can really navigate the device. It makes a point that it is a user friendly "magical" device. Most people can pick it up and figure it out. I think that is a great part of apple products. It is about the immersive experience rather than some meaningless spec numbers.
Android works just as fine. Thats just as "magical"
 
If people knew what they were talking about, they would know that Android apps SCALE nicely to fit the resolution of the xoom. Unlike when I had my iPad I had to look at a tiny screen for apps that werent optimized at launch...

Your still dealing with apps that were designed around a 4 inch screen at best...yep its not as blurry as a zoomed iphone app but its still a 4 inch designed interface spread out over 10 inches.
 
The problem with spec watching is it has no real impact on functionality...I have come to learn this being an owner of apple products. I base my purchases on how I would use a product rather than just saying let me get the most powerful...

I have a 19 moth old child that can efficiently use an iPad. He can switch between apps, he can launch and play spongebob videos...he can really navigate the device. It makes a point that it is a user friendly "magical" device. Most people can pick it up and figure it out. I think that is a great part of apple products. It is about the immersive experience rather than some meaningless spec numbers.

The first "Apple" post in here. Well done.

The Assimilation Continues. :apple:
 
After waiting half a year for the ipod2, I never excepted that I'd seriously be thinking that maybe saving a few buck and getting a gen 1 ipod might be a better idea.... :(
 
Wow - the people who still buy into the whole "It Just Works" marketing tagline need to go to an Apple Store and see all the people taking classes, waiting on line for a Genius or post on your facebook asking how many of them have heard from their friends and family asking questions on how to do even the most basic functions.

Stop believing every marketing message. EVERY product - from toaster to whatever you can buy has a learning curve.

The question is - how interested is the person using it in actually LEARNING how to use their purchase.

Android, WebOS, Windows, OSX, iOS - all have learning curves. None of the OS's and devices "just work"

They also all have glitches. Crashes. Freezes. Etc.
 
surely they can't sell it at £499.... $499 works out at £305... and if they say they are keeping it the same price as the original ipad which is currently £329 for the 16gb wifi version...
 
Seriously dude? You have unrealistic expectations.

9X faster, 33% thinner. HDMI out, no price increase. Available to both Verizon and AT&T.

He's not saying it's not nice. It IS nice. It'll be great for people who don't have an iPad, for new customers. He's just saying if you spent $600 for a 32GB iPad last year there's really nothing there to greatly tempt you to spend $600 again this year. Unless you truly need HDMI out, or video conferencing. I won't even say "camera." Except for some "enhanced reality" apps that some people enjoy, the rear-facing camera is just feature parity with competing tablets. People who will carry iPad 2 around as still/video camera will only do so because they don't have another decent camera. Really the main reason I upgraded from a 3GS to an iPhone 4 was the much better camera, so I had something take better pictures of our kids, and I'd usually have it with me. I'm not going to be chasing my 5 year old through the playground with my iPad to take snapshots. And if I want REALLY good pictures that require carrying a camera other than my iPhone 4, I'm going to bring my Canon, with those lovely Canon optics. Not an iPad.

I'd throw gaming in there, too. Most people's idea of portable gaming is Angry Birds. For that you don't need more than the original iPad. But if you're very serious about iOS portable gaming, the spec increase will probably show some benefit. Though I seriously doubt with the rather amazing number of original iPads sold many high-end, more expensive game developers will limit their market to iPad 2 owners only.

All depends on how you use your iPad. I use mine for music (iPod), ebooks, a bit of video, email, various apps (mostly of the reference type), a lot of web and a whole lot of typewriter (with the keyboard dock). The overall and graphics speed of my original iPad is plenty fast. Now, sure, if I used an iPad 2 for a couple weeks and then switched back to my original, I might miss the spec bumps. But as it is, I'm not going to notice.

So, I'd say, first-time iPad owners: go for it. Existing iPad owner niche markets who want video conferencing, iPad artists who want the camera for quick reference shots, etc.: go for it. People who just want to spend their money upgrading to the iPad 2: go for it. Everyone else: no compelling reason to upgrade this cycle; and the overwhelming majority of current iPad owners (remember some people just bought one a month ago!) aren't going to upgrade right now. Tablets are probably going to run on the more laptop-ish minimum 2 - 3 year consumer upgrade cycle.

Now if 2012's iPad changes little from the iPad 2 but throws in the iPad version of the iPhone 4 Retina display, you might get my attention. But that's a year away.
 
Let me get this straight, people are bitching that you need 10.5.8 to sync the new iPad? You're complaining that they require you to have an OS that was released 3.5 years ago, is soon to be 2 generations old, in order to use a device to be released in a week? Unbelievable.. it's like when you people run out of ridiculous things to bitch about, you move to insanely ridiculous things to bitch about. One of the reasons that Apple is able to make their device/OS so efficient is that they don't require them to support legacy code going back 10 years. And in almost every case, its entirely reasonable. Leopard was released almost 4 years ago. You have nothing to bitch about.
 
Anyone else get the feeling that if they announced it was quad core, came with magnifying glass and quadruple screen resolution, weighed an ounce and had a bolted on digital slr the same people would still find something to complain about. Haters are going to hate...everything that was wished for with the exception of what would have been an insanely expensive retina display were offered and people are still acting like it wasnt enough. :rolleyes:
 
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