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So locking, freezing, and lag under stress isn't buggy enough. Or how about it took WEEKS for the google servers to respond to our sign in attempts to the app store on my wife's captivate. Couldn't buy apps, couldn't sync calendars, nothing. And then out of the blue on day it just worked. No response from google (You can't even contact them for tech support) and no reason it should have accepted the information after multiple failed attempts. One thing I will say is that when it works it's a very satisfying experience. The apps are scaled for the device and work very well. The problem is that I've still to have an Android device in my house that doesn't freeze up and require a hard reset. I've never had to reset any of my iPhones or any other of my Apple products for that matter. Maybe I'm just lucky, but judging from past experience and sales numbers it looks like there's a lot of lucky people out there.

Well that didnt answer my question... but my question was more rhetorical.. I knew nobody in this tread would be able to answer.
 
The counterpoint is that Apple can't shorten a $500+ product's effective lifespan to 12 months. They just can't. Otherwise they'd alienate a sizable section of their market. The sweetspot is keeping enough customers around, keeping things fresh for the more techy, and keeping up on cutting edge technology. This is an excellent update for what it is. That last 5-10% of weight or thickness isn't easy to shave off. A much faster processor is a huge upgrade for what people will use the ipad for. Revamped Airplay will really start changing up the home user experience.

Like on that classic iPod thread where a couple of posters state "I don't get the fuss, I have all my music on CDs" and "5 gbs, big deal, I only need like 2gbs at most." The future usability is unknown really ... unless people think that ipads are only good for AngryBirds and facebooking. Where was the tablet market 1.5 years ago?

I generally agree with you. I'd fall in that bunch who doesn't want to HAVE to spend $500+ every 12 months just to maintain the usability of something I've fully integrated into my routine. And I'm kind of glad Apple recognizes that. If you really need a new iPad every year, that would become like a $700/year subscription rather than a consumer device. That equivalent to the cost of our auto insurance policy for the year!

I do like the revamped Airplay and iTunes home sharing a lot, but I'll get that for free with the iOS 4.3. If I had to have an iPad 2 to get iTunes home sharing and expanded Airplay, I'd still pass this cycle, though, and keep wire syncing my original iPad.

It's a very nice upgrade to an already very nice device. If I didn't own an iPad I'd go snap up an iPad 2 March 11th. But then I do own an iPad.
 
The same 75 percent of people won't know why they can't access flash sites either LOL....

Just saying - you can't argue it both ways...

I know what flash sites are, and understand I cant access them. But, at no point have i said this sucks...well there was one time and then a couple weeks later the video was encoded correctly and I was able to view it..
 
But I ended up buying one on launch day (there was NO line at the store near me in NYC). It was right before my wedding/honeymoon and my reasons for buying it were simply media consumption.

You wanted a media consumption toy right before your wedding/honeymoon? Really though?
 
You're radiating your 19month olds partially formed eyes with your lazy parenting.

Yes, the above comment was designed to make you go all defensive and crazy.

My niece loves my iPhone. So I understand really.

it is more of prepaid baby sitter than lazy parenting lol...
 
You wanted a media consumption toy right before your wedding/honeymoon? Really though?

If I were you, I wouldn't believe a word samcraig writes. He's been trolling the iPad forum for months. I'm quite sure he doesn't even actually own one.
 
You wanted a media consumption toy right before your wedding/honeymoon? Really though?

I can elaborate.

My wife and I went on a 3 week honeymoon to Tuscany and Croatia. We had a long flight there (movies, books, our itinerary, travel books, all loaded up). A few train trips. My wife has a job which, at times, she needed to be in contact with her boss. Same for me. We were able to forgo bringing a laptop and also sacrificing viewing surface by watching movies/emailing on our iPhones - and instead enjoy the benefit of the larger screen. It was a great purchase. When we went to greece - we only had our iPhones and while it was "ok" in a pinch to watch movies/read - far more pleasurable with the iPad.
 
So if I have a 2004 Mac Book Pro, I will more than likely have to upgrade my OS for $129 in order to use the Ipad 1 or 2? That is somewhat of a buzz kill.

Jesus Christ. Your OS and laptop are 7 years old. So it's not that unreasonable of a proposition. The vast majority of Apple's apps, as well as third party apps already require Leopard, yet you obviously have not felt the need to upgrade. What's unreasonable is that you demand the latest software/hardware to be fully compatible with ancient (yes, ancient in tech terms) hardware. Your OS is soon to be 2 generations old. If you haven't felt the need to shell out to update your OS in the past 7 years, then deal with it.
 
I know what flash sites are, and understand I cant access them. But, at no point have i said this sucks...well there was one time and then a couple weeks later the video was encoded correctly and I was able to view it..

The only instance where I have missed flash at all is Grooveshark.com. Great site that will never get an official app past Apple. Other than that, I'm happy to be on a web free of Flash. No annoying ads. It's like the 90's again, and it's great. I rarely encounter a site that doesn't work. And when I do, I can usually find what I'm looking for elsewhere.

It's funny watching people who don't own an iPad tell us how awful it is though, right?
 
If I were you, I wouldn't believe a word samcraig writes. He's been trolling the iPad forum for months. I'm quite sure he doesn't even actually own one.

you really think that?

Sorry to disappoint you. I have and love it for what it actually is - not what I pretend it might be one day. You can believe what you want... I can't stop you. But I don't have that kind of free time to cruise these message boards to troll for the sake of trolling.

Sorry if my grounded and realistic opinion is too hard for someone like you to comprehend without resorting to name calling.

Actually - I'm not sorry. I find it sad.

ETA: By the way - maybe one or two posts - but go and check my post history... You'll have to create a better lie. I haven't really posted in the iPad forum for quite a while... But I wouldn't expect someone who is going to name call to ALSO be truthful.
 
The counterpoint is that Apple can't shorten a $500+ product's effective lifespan to 12 months. They just can't. Otherwise they'd alienate a sizable section of their market. The sweetspot is keeping enough customers around, keeping things fresh for the more techy, and keeping up on cutting edge technology. This is an excellent update for what it is. That last 5-10% of weight or thickness isn't easy to shave off. A much faster processor is a huge upgrade for what people will use the ipad for. Revamped Airplay will really start changing up the home user experience.

Like on that classic iPod thread where a couple of posters state "I don't get the fuss, I have all my music on CDs" and "5 gbs, big deal, I only need like 2gbs at most." The future usability is unknown really ... unless people think that ipads are only good for AngryBirds and facebooking. Where was the tablet market 1.5 years ago?

Compared to the supposed competition Apple has done a good job of not immediately making the previous generation obsolete. I have 3 android devices and only 1 of them has actually received an OS upgrade since i've owned them. As long as android stays fragmented like that there is simply no way for them to seriously compete. I hope honeycomb changes that since it allows more flexibility from a hardware standpoint, but at the moment I dont trust any manufacturer to really support their products beyond their current generation.
 
Yes, it's the the same as the original iPad, if you ignore the video cameras.

Oh, and the reduced size. And the reduced weight. And the faster CPU. And the faster GPU. And the video mirroring. And the improved speaker. And the choice in colors. And...

Why don't you read the rest of my post and not just quote half of it. I said speed does not matter to me. I don't care that it weighs .2 pounds lighter. Both the first and second generation iPad's are basically the same. There is no outstanding feature in the iPad 2 that makes it a MUST HAVE device. I would be perfectly happy with the original iPad and I'm sure a lot of people can agree. Apple is good at making small features that SHOULD of been in the first generation iPad make it seem like they've changed the world.

I also hate to crush your dreams but there are no 'Colours'. White and black are shades. I learned that in grade 1. It is nice that the white was introduced though, it does look a lot better than the black.
 
Well that didnt answer my question... but my question was more rhetorical.. I knew nobody in this tread would be able to answer.

Well that's because it's hard to find one of the 6 people on the planet that actually bought a Xoom...
 
Define "better" in this context.

* 10.1" Screen vs. 9.7"
* 1280x800 vs. 1024.768
* Tegra 2 vs. Dual Core A5 (wash.)
* iPad has more built in Storage but the Xoom has an SDCard slot (and you can actually save stuff on the Xoom.)
* Better Camera and Dual LED Flash
* LTE Support

I think that would sum up the price difference. You get a better camera, a better resolution and negligibly larger screen, more storage options, LTE support.

Edit, just found this. Great little link.
http://mobiletrends.info/2011/03/02/apple-ipad-2-vs-motorola-xoom/
 

FYI - popularity doesn't equate to better product. Just better sales.

Case in point - A guy named Tucker built about 50 cars that blew the lid of the automotive industry - so much so that they put him out of business. And if it weren't for him - it would have taken a long time after to get seatbelts in cars.

There are plenty of Niche products which are better than their massed produced/purchased counterparts. That doesn't mean they are inferior. Just that they are niche.

Now I'm not suggesting that Motorola or other companies are going for a niche market over mass adoption. I'm just refuting that more does not equal better product.

The fact is - any company will be hard pressed to catch up to Apple at this point. Not because of specs. Or price. But because of the ecosystem in which many people have already invested. With iTunes and everything Apple sells - they already had a core base + people familiar with their marketplace. They had a built in audience before launching the iPad. NO other company came close or can come close to that. Time will tell what happens in the future (10-20 years from now). But at the moment - it's a game of trying to catch up.
 
Both the first and second generation iPad's are basically the same.

Yes, I agree with you, if you ignore all the improvements, they are basically the same. ;)

There is no outstanding feature in the iPad 2 that makes it a MUST HAVE device.

In your opinion, of course. The dual cameras plus FaceTime will be "must have" features for a lot of people, gamers will appreciate the faster processor, and I'd likely upgrade for the video mirroring alone.
 
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