Live From WWDC 2018: Coverage of Apple's Keynote with iOS 12, macOS 10.14, and More

[Sy7ygy]

Supporting such old hardware IS a huge feat, as it is costly to do that. Apple has no reason to support the 5S as it is technically on the chopping block after the iPhone 5 being dropped last year, yet they decided to keep it supported in a market where 2 year support is a luxury.

Windows comparison is irrelevant.

In the case of Apple, it really isn't. The only reason it *might* be for them is for the sheer number of Engineers who have left the firm that they might be in the post Jobs/ Pre97 era of the 90s where nobody knew the code for it's own OS.

Why hasn't Siri received any development.. Oh wait.

 

[StellarVixen]

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Which is odd, when one considers that "dark mode" was the only mode for us dinosaur software developers. To go from developing code from a 3277 terminal to the sleek 3279 terminal with a color text and graphics... THAT was wonderful. And then PC-DOS... THAT was dark mode too!

What I don't get is why Apple didn't continue on with their courage streak and stick with their pale palette and bright interface. Dark mode is so prehistoric that it is inconsistent with their innovative, forward-thinking approach to computing.

I wasn't even born when you was writing your code on those machines, so... For a reference, I wrote my first line of code on OS X Leopard (10.5). So...

 

[pika2000]

In the case of Apple, it really isn't. The only reason it *might* be for them is for the sheer number of Engineers who have left the firm that they might be in the post Jobs/ Pre97 era of the 90s where nobody knew the code for it's own OS.

Why hasn't Siri received any development.. Oh wait.

How do you know Siri is not receiving “any” development? U less you’re an Apple engineer with inside info, your assumptions are pointless.
Comparison of iOS updates with Windows is irrelevant, and beyond silly.

 

[mi7chy]

Nodded off watching it so hope I didn't miss anything good.

Only remember Cook making the false claim that Swift is the fastest growing programming language then Federighi.

Swift actually dropped from #13 in 2017 to #19 in 2018.

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

 

[Yvan256]

I think there was hardware announcement (besides gay watchband) and everyone missed it.

Craig said multiple times that real-time photorealistic forest trail demo was running in a Macbook with eGPU. Current Macbooks cannot use eGPU because they don't have Thunderbolt.

The MacBook and MacBook Pro have USB-3 ports, don't they?

 

[hvfsl]

I think there was hardware announcement (besides gay watchband) and everyone missed it.

Craig said multiple times that real-time photorealistic forest trail demo was running in a Macbook with eGPU. Current Macbooks cannot use eGPU because they don't have Thunderbolt.

Good catch, hopefully we will see some hardware announcements in a few weeks then.

 

[ericinboston]

Supporting such old hardware IS a huge feat, as it is costly to do that. Apple has no reason to support the 5S as it is technically on the chopping block after the iPhone 5 being dropped last year, yet they decided to keep it supported in a market where 2 year support is a luxury.

I guess it really depends on how you define "support". I certainly DO expect Apple to support their iPhones for 5 years or longer since again, they control the hardware, software, integration, OS, and apps that get installed on it. These items are $1000 each (basically) and are really just a computer with the ability to make a phone call than actually a "phone". Heck, the phone features haven't been updated since the iPhone 1.0. Seriously.

I expect Apple not to force me to upgrade to a new iOS and get alllllll that baggage that was never designed for my 1-3 year old phone...new looks/feels, icons moved all over the place, new bugs (of course), apps removed, etc. Now technically nobody is holding a gun to my head to upgrade, but I very likely have to upgrade to get a new version of my non-Apple apps. I also am not a fan of the contstant trickery in that Apple pops up an alert about a new iOS version and I CANNOT decline it...I can either accept/install it or I can choose to have the alert pop up some other time in the near future and nag and try to get me again.

If Apple is going to pop up alerts while I am using my phone, trying to get me to upgrade iOS, then Apple damn well better have a much better "support" track than how Apple operates now.

If Apple allowed me to back up my phone, upgrade to a new iOS, and then rollback to the OLD iOS/backup if I don't like said new iOS, sure, that would be ok with me. But no...once you go up a level in iOS, you can never, ever, go back an older iOS. That is just pure evil. It's also quite opposite of a "backup."

 

[pika2000]

I guess it really depends on how you define "support". I certainly DO expect Apple to support their iPhones for 5 years or longer since again, they control the hardware, software, integration, OS, and apps that get installed on it. These items are $1000 each (basically) and are really just a computer with the ability to make a phone call than actually a "phone". Heck, the phone features haven't been updated since the iPhone 1.0. Seriously.

I expect Apple not to force me to upgrade to a new iOS and get alllllll that baggage that was never designed for my 1-3 year old phone...new looks/feels, icons moved all over the place, new bugs (of course), apps removed, etc. Now technically nobody is holding a gun to my head to upgrade, but I very likely have to upgrade to get a new version of my non-Apple apps. I also am not a fan of the contstant trickery in that Apple pops up an alert about a new iOS version and I CANNOT decline it...I can either accept/install it or I can choose to have the alert pop up some other time in the near future and nag and try to get me again.

If Apple is going to pop up alerts while I am using my phone, trying to get me to upgrade iOS, then Apple damn well better have a much better "support" track than how Apple operates now.

If Apple allowed me to back up my phone, upgrade to a new iOS, and then rollback to the OLD iOS/backup if I don't like said new iOS, sure, that would be ok with me. But no...once you go up a level in iOS, you can never, ever, go back an older iOS. That is just pure evil. It's also quite opposite of a "backup."

The iPhone 5S started at $649 off contract, not $1000.
In 2013, Samsung released the Galaxy S4 for the same price. Funny hardly anyone demanded the same level of support from Samsung.

 

[TheRealTVGuy]

I love how you people received almost everything you've been whining about for years (podcasts on the watch, dark mode on Mac, Dolby Atmos on TV, more 3rd Party Siri smarts on iOS devices) yet still find so much to complain about. The best one being that there weren't any hardware announcements at the software developers keynote.

 

[mcdj]

That keynote was like going to a Giorgio Armani Black Label runway show, and all the models come out wearing Kmart Halloween costumes.

 

[pika2000]

I love how you people received almost everything you've been whining about for years (podcasts on the watch, dark mode on Mac, Dolby Atmos on TV, more 3rd Party Siri smarts on iOS devices) yet still find so much to complain about. The best one being that there weren't any hardware announcements at the software developers keynote.

Even better, people are complaining that Apple does nothing other than making new emojis and watch bands. As if they are watching an alternate reality version.

 

[ericinboston]

The iPhone 5S started at $649 off contract, not $1000.
In 2013, Samsung released the Galaxy S4 for the same price. Funny hardly anyone demanded the same level of support from Samsung.

My iPhone 7 Plus I bought March 2017 was $1000. The cheaper 7Plus was $900 I believe.

 

[Dodgeman]

So I caught part of the keynote but not the whole show.
So apple did not announce anything currently with the state of MacBook keyboards??
As far as what I read, they did not have any preludes to a new macbook/air/pro?

 

[JPack]

So I caught part of the keynote but not the whole show.
So apple did not announce anything currently with the state of MacBook keyboards??
As far as what I read, they did not have any preludes to a new macbook/air/pro?

"Today is all about software."

- Tim Cook, WWDC June 2018

 

[mcdj]

I love how you people received almost everything you've been whining about for years (podcasts on the watch, dark mode on Mac, Dolby Atmos on TV, more 3rd Party Siri smarts on iOS devices) yet still find so much to complain about. The best one being that there weren't any hardware announcements at the software developers keynote.

I think it’s because those things should just be normal updates, and normal updates shouldn’t require a Broadway production to announce them. People applauding basic features in an auditorium is like giving your kid a medal for just showing up for school. The bar has been systematically lowered and it’s not just Apple.

 

[pika2000]

My iPhone 7 Plus I bought March 2017 was $1000. The cheaper 7Plus was $900 I believe.

And? We are talking about the support for the 5S.

Again, I don’t see people demanding the same to companies like Samsung who priced their phones as expensive as Apple’s. So I don’t get why suddenly a 5 year software support for iPhones is not even good enough.

 

[markrath]

Using windows as an example is not an equal comparison simply because we are talking about the iOS. I can buy an iPhone 6s and other than some speed difference it will look and feel (from a software standpoint) like an iPhone 8. That is a huge feat.

No, no it's not a huge feat for a company that controls the hardware, the OS, most of the apps, 100% of the apps that get installed on it, and all the integration in/out of the phone. It is a small feat for 5 years worth of "support". How much has really changed between the iphone 8 and 5s from a software feature point of view? The iOS has changed each year (often for not much good reason) but the phones ship with 90% the same features. I'm not talking about "well, they changed the API and now the CODE is different".

Look at Microsoft and Windows...how well Windows XP lasted for 14+ years supporting 3rd party apps, 3rd party hardware, etc. Windows 95 and 98 lasted for eons, too.

I'm not making this an Apple vs. Microsoft argument...just citing an example.

It really, really, really burns me that I buy an iPad/iPhone and unless I update the iOS every 6-12 months, I find apps that won't install. It burns me even more that, for example, I have an app 1.0 that is designed for iOS 8.0 and I install it on my brand new iOS 8.0 iPad...then I upgrade to iOS 10.x years later (while 11.x has been out for a few months) and the app has an update to 3.0 but the app is now requiring 11.x and my iPad only upgrades to 10.x! Why can't I get version 2.0 of the app that still works under 10.x?! It's a generalized example, but I've encountered this numerous times. I'm a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" person with technology...so I do not update iOS every few months like a majority of the clueless public.

 

[TheRealTVGuy]

Even better, people are complaining that Apple does nothing other than making new emojis and watch bands. As if they are watching an alternate reality version.

Lol, agreed!

The watchbands announcement was literally fifteen seconds. Of a THREE HOUR keynote.

 

[Dodgeman]

"Today is all about software."

- Tim Cook, WWDC June 2018

So any idea on when we might expect new MacBooks?
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Lol, agreed!

The watchbands announcement was literally fifteen seconds. Of a THREE HOUR keynote.

Yeah that was kind of wild, 3 hours which it was a big announcement of stuff to come software wise, I did not think it needed the big production that was drawn.... but hey that is just my .02

 

[toke lahti]

Last 7 wwdc’s, new hardware was announced in 2012 & 2017.

 

[PlayUltimate]

Mojave is appropriate - the OS is barren and boring like a dessert. Kidding.

I was thinking they would name it "Death Valley" But I can already see the comments from using that name.

 

[jonnysods]

Nope. It wasn’t terrible but nothing groundbreaking that was worth 2 hours. The last 20 minutes were the highlight really. Too much time wasted on Animoji and MeMoji.

These are sad days. Nothing but an educational iPad and darker keyboard and mouse this year, is that it?

 

[tedson]

The only thing that interests me are the Safari privacy improvements. I hope the make them available for the High Sierra version of Safari because I can no longer upgrade to the lastest macOS update.

 

[mrxak]

I just don’t get how people don’t understand this. Apple is all about privacy. They won’t have a machine harvest data aggressively as you say. If people don’t like it, go to an open source device. Not that hard guys. This man hit it on point.

Actually we could have our cake and eat it too, if Siri could run locally. There's really no reason at all for Siri to have to transmit everything you say to some server somewhere, process your speech, and then send back text to your phone to tell it what to do. The A-chips are good enough, or Apple could make a special chip just for Siri, that could do all the processing on your phone. You'd take a slight battery hit, but Siri would be able to know everything about you without Apple knowing anything about you.

 

[DevNull0]

There are a billion active iOS devices. You can safely assume that at least a million of these customers are indeed complete idiots. could be much higher. The amount of stupid people using iOS devices forces features like this.

We're not talking about a feature, we're taking about Craig's suggestion to turn off notifications from apps you no longer use. That option has been there as long as notifications have been in iOS.

And so you say that 0.1% of active iOS devices is used by a complete idiot. So what percentage of people watching a WWDC keynote would you say are complete idiots? I'd say significantly less than the average among Apple users. And since Apple finds the need to cater them them at the keynote, Apple must thing it's a significant fraction. 25% of the people watching the keynote? So 25% of the most elite of Apple's userbase are complete idiots, what does that say of the overall userbase?

And to be clear, this is Apple's own estimates of their userbase; they believe a significant portion are complete idiots.