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Originally posted by dstorey
Van nissleroy or whoever i think maybe scores more than owen, isn't he on something crazy like 39 or so.....but he is the only one getting the goals at man u so the only target to pass to really, their midfield sadlty creates more thasn ours does fr Micheal and i think I saw a stat where most if not all of Van's goals were in and around the 6 yard box. Bigger goal mouch than andy cole was in his toon days.


Van Nistelrooy has so far this season scored 40 goals for man u, although Henry is still the premiership's top scorer. Not to mention that he's just won both the PFA and the PWA 'Player of the Year' awards :)

You're right about man u though. It seems that every time they get the ball, they try to get it to van nistelrooy, and he's invariably somewhere in the penalty area. Of course he's going to score loads of goals, if that's the way they play. Mind you, I wouldn't mind having him in my team ;)
 
having said that, man u do have the ability to score from anywhere, one example is scholes, didn't he get a hat-trick the other week?

anyways, enough of the scum heh. carragher is over-rated, he pegs it down the right wing, stops, looks back, and then passes back. all the time, kinda reminds me of mark walters running down the left, little shimmy, leg over the ball and cuts in, every single time you knew he was going to do that. John Arne Riise on the other hand, what a star, he's awesome, and he's got a sweet left peg on him too. and when he scores, it always a blinder :)

bring back gary mac is what i say hah.
 
sorry for the long post...

...but i thought this was an interesting piece.

Premier Focus: Houllier's millions
Dale Johnson

Having the cash to splash in the transfer market may not guarantee you success, but it certainly helps. The Liverpool board have been very supportive of boss Gerard Houllier over the last five years, although his failure to mount a serious challenge for the title continues to frustrate.

Gerard Houllier: Happy to spend (AdamDavy/Empics)
It's now 13 years since Liverpool last won the Championship, the days when Luton, Millwall and Queens Park Rangers used to rub shoulders with England's elite. When you look back at some of the money he has wasted on talentless individuals it is a wonder how he has survived in the job.

Houllier has spent £101.9 million (plus wages) since Roy Evans left him to his own devices, including the mystery millions spent on misfits such as Jean-Michel Ferri and Bernard Diomede to the crazy spending on the likes of Igor Biscan (£5.5m) and Vladimir Smicer (£4.2m).

Now, as the club look destined for another season of UEFA Cup football, questions are being asked of Houllier.

Here, we look at how Houllier's millions have been spent.

Jean-Michel Ferri: £1.7million from Istanbulspor - December 1998
Who? Exactly. Houllier brought this defensive midfielder to Anfield as his first signing. He picked up an injury shortly after his arrival from Turkey, but even when fit he looked well short of the required quality. The French international made only two substitute appearances, in defeats at Chelsea and Sheffield Wednesday, before being shipped to French side Sochaux in the summer.

Rigobert Song: £2.6million from Salernitana - January 1999
Song came to Anfield from Italy with a good reputation as a solid defender and was a fixture in the Cameroon side. He began well and became something of a cult hero on the Kop. But Houllier insisted in playing Song at right-back rather than in his favoured position in the centre of defence. Song played just 38 games for Liverpool before they almost recouped the transfer fee when he was sold to West Ham in November 2000. He was shocking for West Ham and is now in Ligue 1 with RC Lens.

Frodde Kippe: £700,000 from Lillestrom - January 1999
This Norwegian defender was heralded as a real star of the future when he moved to Liverpool - the Reds had pulled off a real coup in securing his services. Rather than being a Kippe, he was more of a red herring. He made just two substitute appearances for Liverpool in the League Cup before twice being loaned out to Stoke City. He left the club a year ago to return to Lillestrom for a nominal fee.

Djimi Traore: £550,000 from Laval - February 1999
This is an interesting one. Signed ahead of interest from AC Milan, Paris St Germain and Lazio, Liverpool can consider themselves to have got value for money on the transfer fee. Traore has been a fixture in the starting eleven this term after spending most of the 2001/02 campaign on loan at RC Lens. However, Traore looks anything but the real deal and Liverpool would be unlikely to win the championship with him in their defence. The French player has now made 59 appearances for the Reds.

Sami Hyypia: £2.6million from Willem II - May 1999
Hyypia will almost certainly go down as Houllier's best signing, a snip at £2.6m from Dutch side Willem II. A superb, assured defender and a commanding presence, the Finnish international would slot into probably any defence in the Premiership. Houllier handed him the club captaincy a year ago, and he has now played over 200 games for the Reds.

Stephane Henchoz: £3.5million from Blackburn - June 1999
Henchoz was rescued from life in the Football League by Houllier after Blackburn dropped out of the Premiership, and he soon forged a superb partnership at the heart of the defence with Hyypia. Henchoz has been worth every penny in his 174 games for the club - with the added extra of a few cheeky handballs when the officials aren't looking!

Sander Westerveld: £4million from Vitesse Arnhem - June 1999
Westerveld may have been Houllier's number one at Anfield for two seasons, but he was prone to errors - in keeping with the great tradition of Liverpool goalkeepers! Houllier made him the most expensive goalkeeper in British football when signing him from Holland, a tag he certainly failed to live up to. Although he certainly had ability, he came over-priced after the gaffe which led to defeat at Bolton in August 2001 was the final straw and he was sold to Real Soceidad.

Titi Camara: £2.6million from Marseille - June 1999
After a half decent first season at Anfield, in which he scored ten goals and only trailed Michael Owen in the club's scoring charts, Camara was discarded by Houllier after 18 months. West Ham again came to the rescue by giving Liverpool most of their money back, playing only 11 Premiership games for the Hammers before being loaned out to Al-Ittihad in January.

Vladimir Smicer: £4.2million from RC Lens - July 1999
An incredible fee for a player of such limited ability, Houllier had hardly found the replacement for Steve McManaman. But Smicer remains a manager's favourite and is invariably in the 16 on a matchday. Smicer has many critics on the terraces, but he still earned a new three-year contract last summer and now, remarkably, has played 142 games for the club.

Erik Meijer: Free from Bayer Leverkusen - July 1999
Liverpool fans can only be pleased this misfit striker didn't cost any money, because he was a complete failure in his 17-month spell at Anfield. The Dutch player scored just two League Cup goals in a total of 26 appearances before being loaned out to Preston North End, where he scored no goals in nine games, and then released to join German side SV Hamburg.

Dietmar Hamann: £8million from Newcastle - July 1999
The final signing of a £25million summer transfer frenzy for Houllier, Hamann has been a valuable player since making the move from Tyneside. But at £8million, then a club record, the German international was probably over-priced for a defensive midfielder.

Emile Heskey: £11million from Leicester - March 2000
At the time this transfer was the worst kept secret in English football. After netting 22 goal in his first full season at the club, Heskey has struggled. A fee of £11m for a striker who doesn't score goals is excessive to say the least, although the player has suffered from being played out wide at times. The England international has scored just six Premiership goals this season.

Bernard Diomede: £3million from Auxerre - July 2000
Another mystery name with a big price tag, Diomede has a World Cup winners' medal from France '98, you know. But he is now back home with relegation candidates AC Ajaccio after being loaned out in January. The French winger has played just five games for Liverpool, only two of those in the Premiership.

Markus Babbel: Free from Bayern Munich - July 2000
Houllier was very unlucky with Babbel. The German veteran had a fine first season at Anfield, but was then sidelined after developing Guillan-Barre Syndrome. This affects the central nervous system and means you are unable to use your limbs properly. He did make an emotional return in the Community Shield in August but is yet to play this year.

Gary McAllister: Free from Coventry City - July 2000
McAllister was a superb Bosman capture by Houllier. Although used as a substitute for much of the time, his goals were priceless as Reds picked up five trophies in 2001. The lure of the manager's job at Coventry proved too strong last year, and Liverpool have failed to replace his experience and guile in the centre of the park.

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Pegguy Arphexad: Free from Leicester City - July 2000
Signed as a back-up keeper and, despite a brief loan spell with Stockport County, first team football continues to elude him.

Nick Barmby: £6million from Everton - July 2000
Barmby's move across Stanley Park caused a storm at the time, but his two years at Anfield were barely worth the bother. After a useful first season a combination of injuries and Houllier's selection policy limited his involvement and last summer he joined Leeds United, at almost a third of the cost.

Gregory Vignal: £500,000 from Montpellier - September 2000
Despite getting a few first team games under his belt over the course of the last two years and looking a useful player, Houllier cast him aside at the beginning of the season. Vignal is now out on loan in France with Bastia.

Christian Ziege: £5.5million from Middlesbrough - September 2000
For all the trouble this caused, Ziege was effectively a waste money. The two clubs are still arguing about the way in which Liverpool went about luring the player to Anfield. Ziege started just 11 Premiership games before being sold to Spurs after just one season.

Daniel Sjolund: £1million from West Ham - November 2000
The Finland Under-21 international was signed as a player for the future but has failed to make the grade, and is now on loan at Djurgarden until the end of the season.

Igor Biscan: £5.5million from Dinamo Zagreb - December 2000
How much! Biscan must be one of the worst players ever to turn out for a club of Liverpool's stature; in fact he would struggle to make a impression in the First Division. Houllier paid a ludicrous amount of money for the Croatian defender/midfielder. Biscan has made 23 Premiership appearances in almost two-and-a-half years.

Jari Litmanen: Free from Barcelona - January 2001
Criminally underused by Houllier, Litmanen could have contributed so much more to a Liverpool side that has often looked short of a creative influence. The Finnish striker returned to former club Ajax after making only 12 Premiership starts.

John Arne Riise: £4.6million from Monaco - June 2001
Leeds United must wish they had stumped up the cash for the player when they had the chance a year earlier, as Riise has taken to the Premiership with great aplomb. A pacy, skilful wing-back or midfielder, Riise has lived up to his price tag in a big way. He was strangely underused at the start of the season but is now a firm fixture in the side.

Milan Baros: £3million from Banik Ostrava - August 2001
It could prove to be an astute piece of business by Houllier, although he lost a whole year as the old rules on non-EU players meant he couldn't get into the first team squad. Looks a lively player and should develop into a top striker, given time.

Jerzy Dudek: £4.85million from Feyenoord - August 2001
Signed to replace Sander Westerveld, Dudek had a brilliant first season, but started this term badly and was to blame for a number of goals - most notably the opener in a 2-1 defeat to arch rivals Manchester United. He is only back in the side due to Chris Kirkland's injury but looks to be getting back to his best.

Chris Kirkland: £6million from Coventry - August 2001
After paying such a lot of money for a back-up goalkeeper, Kirkland was handed his chance due to Dudek's inept performances. However, a cruciate ligament injury sustained at the start of the year put him out of action. Houllier spent nearly £11million on two goalkeepers on the same day - completely unnecessary and it was almost as if he was trying to stop any of his rivals signing Kirkland.

Nicolas Anelka: On loan from Paris Saint Germain - December 2001
Eyebrows were raised when Houllier opted to against making his loan move permanent, and Anelka himself was far from happy. The French striker was never prolific during his six-month stay, but it was thought he'd done enough after netting five goals. Instead, Houllier turn to El Hadji Diouf.

Abel Xavier: £800,000 from Everton - February 2002
Again a transfer that surprised many, but a good start was the limit of his contribution to the side. Xavier played just 21 games for Liverpool before being loaned to Galatasaray in January. It's hard to see him returning to Liverpool to battle for a place in the team - more money wasted.

El Hadji Diouf: £10million from RC Lens - June 2002
Houllier signed the Senegal striker at the start of the World Cup, and although he would go on to be named in FIFA's team of the tournament he has looked a poor acquisition. The striker has scored only three Premiership goals in 24 appearances for the club, although he has been played out wide at times. He has a lot to do to justify the fee.

Bruno Cheyrou: £3.7million from Lille - July 2002
Cheyrou has been very inconspicuous since his summer move, featuring in 25 games this term. He looks as though he may benefit from a year in the Premiership and come back stronger in the new campaign. The jury is very much still out and the price tag looks a little large right now.

Alou Diarra: Free from Bayern Munich - July 2002
Diarra was loaned out to Le Havre almost as soon he'd joined Liverpool, and as such remains an unknown quantity in the English game.

Patrice Luzi: Free from Monaco - August 2002
A young goalkeeper signed for the future who has yet to feature - currently fourth in the pecking order at the club.


Salif Diao: £5million from Sedan - August 2002
Again, Houllier has broken the bank for a player of limited ability. Although he did start his Anfield career promisingly, he has tailed off in the latter part of the season and looks to be out of his depth at this level.


Few of Houllier's signings can truly be considered to have been worth the money he has shelled out. He must hope that Diouf and Diao come good soon, otherwise the £15million spent last summer can be considered a waste.

The clock is ticking...
 
I kinda disagree with the last posts...for all le chef's faults I think he is the best man for the job. After all fergie was at manure much longer before he won the title and just as man u were in a state then, i think lfc were in a bit of a mess before ged took over, especially with the spice boy tag. Its just a shame we didn't hold on to steve macca. For all the money ged has spent you have to compare to the other teams that have won as much and also less than us. Newcastle have yet to win anything and they've spent huge amounts, probably more than us, especially under keegan. ditto chelsea and leeds but at least chelsea won a few things, not as much as lfc. 6 cups in three years isn't bad and if we get into the chamions leauge for the third time running then that isn't bad either. How much of this 100 million have we got back in transfers...quite a bit I expect, over a tenth of it on robbie fowler alone, then there is the bonus for winning the cups and the champions leauge campaigns.

If you look at the list, a fair few at the start we stop gap measures to sort out the problems we had at the time and did a job for us, the likes of song for example. We couldn't attract the top players then sadly. Then ged has bought for the future...a few of them written off could come good, after all traore and biscan were chased by most the top clubs and the fees in todays terms weren't great. Traore is looking good when he plays at centre back as is biscan (not in his fav position of centre mid though for some reason). Vignal i belive is a good player when he gets experience...he was unlucky with injurys last season. If them sort of players don't work out, we will make the money back anyway as they were so cheap. Baros, hyypia, henchoz, hamman and murphy will easily make a profit. Barby was a mistake as i belive was heskey but in the treble season they played a big part. If it wasnt for babble and ged being ill last season i belive we had a huge chance of winning the leauge, we wernt so far off, just a patch of the season where we went hopless (just like this season really). I think as the team matures (we are a very young side and getting better) i think we will have a great side..the foundations are there at least. You cant foget how much murphy has blossomed with ged...who would have thought he would have made the england squad a few years ago. Is 100 million so much these days for a whole new squad (as thats what we have)...look at real, they payed that on less than 3 players. I'm sure dioufy will come through strong next year, he is looking the part towards the end of the seaon and you dont get african player of the year twice for nothing, Cheyrou is worth more than 3.5 million too...after he was signed another french club bid over 7 for him but he had already agreed to switch to use and he does have the look of ZiZo at times...lets just see if he fits in, or becomes one of those players that cant play in thr PL (like smicer....have you seen him for the czrch republic....another player...we have a imposter i'm sure). I guess people are just rating ged far too quickly...i have hope as a liverpool supporter now,, unlike under uncle roy. I think ged is the new shankley, with thompson to become the new paisley (he has the nose too). If you look back, shanks didn't win that much really but without him the paisly team would never have been what it was and i think its the same with ged and possible whoever comes next.

you'll never walk alone....'c'mon you reds. who lets the dogs out hou hou... ;)
 
dstorey ... i agree with you, i posted that report as i thought it was interesting, and raised a couple of good points, however, i think we need to make a couple of small changes and we'd be sorted. yes we have a young squad, and a lot of inspirational players, once they gel, and get the fitness required for the fastest league in the world, they'll be very very good. i'm glad houllier wants to stay, and it appears he is. i hate to see managers leave after only a year or two as it does take four or so years to get your system in place. i do however think we need more creativity once in a while, i'm worried we're starting to become "boring boring liverpool". we're not, but that's what the critics say, and it does affect moral.


on a side note, apparently ManUre have had approx 250 corners this season and have failed to score from any of them. which makes me think that when they do start scoring from them, they'll be even more of a threat :(
 
yeah it was an intresting article, just a shame the author was a bit biased and missed a lot of points like a pc user slagging the mac ;-) It was good to see a break down of the players we have bought through and how much, I'd like to see the players we have sold added to that and their values.

on a side note, apparently Heskey has had approx 250 shots this season and have failed to score from any of them bar 8. which makes me think that when he does start scoring from them, they'll [liverpool] be even more of a threat :)

haha nah i have nothijng against Heskey, he does some good work and has been pushed wide left...he must have something to be picked for lfc and england by two wise managers...but i couldnt resist. Also how many goalsdid cottee score up front with him at leic...i give up the spelling...you cant tell me that was cause he was a good player at that age, so like i said he must have been doing something right to help cotee score so much....hes just so dam fustraiting, hes built like a brick ahemhouse but he doesnt use it, and he scores like a lot then hides in a hole for the rest of the season..why cant he do it more often, he has the talent its just grrrrrrrr.
 
Originally posted by dstorey
It was good to see a break down of the players we have bought through and how much, I'd like to see the players we have sold added to that and their values.


exactly. :)


yeah Heskey is a funny one ain't he? when Houllier had a go at him months ago he played out of his skin, but frustrating is definitely the word. at times his ball control is dire, he has a lot of room for improvement, he has shown flashes of world class, albeit too infrequently unfortunately.

Looking forward to tomorrow morning though, down t'pub at 10am for the City game, last of the year at Anfield :)
 
i might join you for next season...any news on the new location? does new location want staff? ;) ...paid to watch the match now that would save me a fortune....

I really hope we win tomorrow, it will be a let down if the chelsea game doesn't mean anything.
 
the AGM is in a few weeks, that's when we'll vote on whether we wanna move or not...


as for chelsea, i wouldn't be too upset if we went into that game needing a win, we'd play better that's for sure. we always get somplacent, it's what's killed us recently i reckon.


be good to see ya for next season fella :)
 
as long as we dont lose against city and need to win like 15-0 cause of the goal difference. As it is the only way we can get away with a draw is if chelsea dont win against west ham or if newcastle lose tomorrow (as even if ncle win the last game then we will have better goal difference if we draw and end up on equal points)...of course newcastle could fail to take advantage by losing on the last day and we could draw and still go through.
 
any predictions for the penultimate games of the season then????

here's mine: (in my best Grandstand voice)


Fulham 0 .... Everton 1

Liverpool 3 .... Manchester City 1

Manchester United 3 .... Charlton Athletic 0

Newcastle United 2 .... Birmingham City 2

West Ham United 1 .... Chelsea 2

Arsenal 5 .... Leeds United 2
 
Classified football results with James Alexander Gordon

Fulham 1 .... Everton 1

Liverpool 3 .... Manchester City 0

Manchester United 1 .... Charlton Athletic 0
After 96 mins fergie time

Newcastle United 0 .... Birmingham City 1

West Ham United 2 .... Chelsea 0

Arsenal 4 .... Leeds United 0

4 score draws, two no score draws and the forcast is good.
 
Evo:

Yes I'll go with most of that, except I really think that the Hammers will overturn Chelsea, they are fighting for survival, they have Roeder to play for and Brooking is going ballistic in training apparently. I reckon they've got a chance.

That'd mean us going to Chelsea two points ahead, now that would be a game:D

dstorey:

Only 6 extra minutes? They are in the Theatre of Silence after all, we could get 20 minutes if it's still a draw at full-time.
 
Originally posted by WinterMute
Evo:

Yes I'll go with most of that, except I really think that the Hammers will overturn Chelsea, they are fighting for survival, they have Roeder to play for and Brooking is going ballistic in training apparently. I reckon they've got a chance.

That'd mean us going to Chelsea two points ahead, now that would be a game:D


i'd certainly hope they could, and yer right, they have everything to play for, and to play for glenn too, big reason.
 
the hammers are right on form too, only one loss in 8 and stupidly that was against bolton...what a costly mistake that could be. I really like west ham, dunno why...guess its cause they are less fasionable but have some great players past and present.

Yeah i hope my predictions come true except the man u one. I think ncle are in the same slide as us except winning the derby might have sorted them out
 
I'd never get up that earlt to watch man u...in fact i'd never get u[p at all to watch them...except when LFC play against them of course. Just been reading Cisse wants to come to lfc and its known that ged always phones Auxerre seeing how he is so whats the chances that heskey will be on his way out?

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I'm watching the scouses own, apple films presents Yellow Submarine....its actually on BBC2. Then the real scousers are on in an hour...countdown begins...
 
I dont believe it, 2-1 defeat. Good job Chelsea lost as well. Congrats to Newcastle, I knew you'd do it.

Well it's all down to one game, we must win. In a way thats a little bit better as we don't go in there just sitting back in defence but if they can't beat Man City at home, well....
 
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