Los Angeles Residents Able to Add COVID Vaccination Proof to Apple Wallet

[Seoras]

I find the sheer level of ignorance being paraded here on this forum thread absolutely astounding.
In 1991 I went back packing in Kenya and I had to get a yellow fever inoculation as part of Kenya's entry requirements.
I got a little yellow booklet with my inoculation certificate in it. I still have it as a keep sake.
If I'd done the same thing today I wouldn't have questioned it being in the "passport" app on my phone.
Obviously the media, and who ever is behind the media dis-information, is doing a marvellous job of undermining common sense and decency in certain countries. You do yourself and your country a great disservice.

 

[IG88]

How would you feel about being REQUIRED to scan a QR code and answer questions to dine at a restaurant? Or, if you do not, you are required to provide, verifiable contact information. Would you accept that?

There's no restaurant I care about eating at enough to do that.

 

[2013.1]

I always asked myself, how could my grandparents and millions of other people let Nazi-Germany happen. Now I feel how they probably have felt. Censorship and fear rise. Freedom fades. Life becomes tighter. Nobody dares to oppose or is being threatened. It only affects the others. Until it affects me. And then I can no longer do anything. We are not going to 1933. We go somewhere else. We are not there yet but we are on the way. Let’s leave the highway before it’s too late.

 

[Bollockser]

Cant wait for all the Branch Covidians to take this "vaccine" and win the Darwin Award.

 

[farewelwilliams]

It's not a vaccin.

It's genetic code that runs in your cells to fabricate a vaccin. Like an auto-immune respons/illness.

that's called an mRNA vaccine.

 

[petsk]

Next thing required is having the right opinions.

 

[2013.1]

Cant wait for all the Branch Covidians to take this "vaccine" and win the Darwin Award.

I'd rather not

 

[farewelwilliams]

Except it’s not just “businesses” who are going to be demanding to see your “paper”.

Also, you might not be the most intelligent person here if you can’t see how creating a culture where it’s appropriate for even a private business to ask would still be dangerous in the long run.

But I am strongly opposed to any requirement to show proof of vaccination for ordinary activities like concerts and domestic flights. It's a precedent that I do not want to set.

If covid turned people into the walking dead zombies, you'd be singing a different tune.

 

[patent10021]

Wow. What a cluster-f_ck. Isn't mandatory yet, but you know it's coming. Americans who love to denigrate Chinese as the commies are in for a rude awakening.

If this becomes mandatory than so should HIV, Hepatitis, SARS, MERS, Tuberculosis, and arrest records. No diff in terms of societal risk.

You asked for it, and you shall receive. I feel sorry for the woke Americans.

 

[hot-gril]

Two very different situations going on here, unvaccinated people and people who receive the first dose without the second. I suspect that getting the first shot without the second could help the virus mutate into a vaccine-resistant form that spreads, making it kind of a crime against healthcare. Nobody is incentivized to do that, but they want to ensure that mishap doesn't occur.

 

[BuffaloTF]

Remember HIPAA?

Back when we viewed medical knowledge of one's body as DEEPLY PERSONAL information?

Amazing, how quickly a crisis throws out our rights.

I understand HIPAA isn't technically violated. The point is that HIPAA's protection of medical information isn't very useful if one has to surrender said info to "to access flights, concerts, and more".

That's not what HIPAA is. And even your edit shows you don't know what HIPAA is.

Concert venues, airlines, and more... aren't covered entities. And never will be. All it does is govern how information is shared between your employer, insurer, and doctor. That's it. It ends there.

 

[2013.1]

I always asked myself, how could my grandparents and millions of other people let Nazi-Germany happen. Now I feel how they probably have felt. Censorship and fear rise. Freedom fades. Life becomes tighter. Nobody dares to oppose or is being threatened. It only affects the others. Until it affects me. And then I can no longer do anything. We are not going to 1933. We go somewhere else. We are not there yet but we are on the way. Let’s leave the highway before it’s too late.

Eugenics are back in Germany

Refusers of this new vaccine should get a death penalty light

Corona-Impfung: Ethiker und die „Todesstrafe light“ - WELT

Ein Mitglied des Gremiums fordert: Wer sich nicht impfen lässt, soll im Ernstfall keine Beatmung erhalten. Was kommt als Nächstes? Werden Verkehrsopfer von Sanitätern gefragt, ob sie regelmäßig den Rundfunkbeitrag bezahlt haben?

www.welt.de

says a person from

German Ethics Council - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is a terrible historic resemblance

Life unworthy of life - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[hot-gril]

*cough* ~3% mortality rate in the US.

You already need an ID to do a lot of things like travel, have a medical appointment, drive (your id is in the system which any plate scanner references, go to age restricted events, rent something, go to a university, pick up something you have reserved, vote, etc.

An aside, you don't need an ID to vote. You may be required to provide an ID if you have one, but you can vote even if you have absolutely nothing identifying, not even an address.

 

[BuffaloTF]

"Bloomberg speculates that it could be used as proof of vaccination to access flights, concerts, and more."

What amount of privacy does one have if one has to share it everywhere I go?

You're in public in each of those scenarios... and you have ZERO expectation of privacy in public. That's been ruled on already... and it's the 4th Amendment to boot.

 

[hot-gril]

So many people here going off the deep end with "muh rights!"

No wonder the US is pushing close to 20 million infections and 340 thousand covid deaths. Expect the recent Christmas spreading to kick that up significantly in the next few weeks.

Freedom-loving or not, people let their guards down and invited a huge new wave of infections. Same in the rest of the world; check the stats.

I'd like to see our rights protected and have everyone understand that those rights come with responsibility. But that's looking like a dream now.

 

[hot-gril]

That 1% is currently 330,000 Americans that did not have to die this year.

And the death rate is more than 1%. And that's with all these precautions in place, which aren't followed nearly enough to contain it, but it'd be a lot worse with nothing.

 

[BuffaloTF]

You realize that they’ve inflated those numbers by including people who died WITH Covid, not because of Covid, right?

You do realize those two things are exactly the same, right?

The sequela of the disease is the problem... not Covid.

Just like how pneumonia killed Freddie Mercury... pneumonia being a sequela to his AIDS. What do we say killed Freddie Mercury?

 

[hot-gril]

Look at overall deaths this year compared to the last few years. Those 330,000 would have died anyway, it would have just been from something else.

I'm seeing the exact opposite when I search this, and I suggest anyone reading to look this up too. Death rate is up, despite the sudden drop in car crash deaths. In the past you could argue that the causes of death were unfairly attributed to covid19, not anymore. Now the last thing to blame is quarantine-induced depression or something, but I already started trusting the medical experts (which is very difficult for me personally) since they've been right all along.

 

[Techwatcher]

I’m not an anti-vaxxer and willingly get whatever vaccine I need, but this is the beginning of a very slippery slope. If you think this is where it ends you’re wrong.

 

[Karma*Police]

I think it’s more than fair proof of vaccination will be required when people want to fly or attend mass events. Your freedoms end when they threat others.

Besides, your <1% remark is nonsense. There’s a whole spectrum between dying and being cured. Many people suffer long lasting consequences. You’re ignoring that in your oversimplified view.

Everything in life is a calculated risk. The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people a year yet we don’t require people to carry proof of vaccination. Furthermore, vaccination doesn’t guarantee 100% protection nor is it 100% safe.

People who want to take the risk of living their lives without being vaccinated should be allowed to do so, and the majority of us who get vaccinated should be fine from those who are infected so why force people to get vaccinated and/or carry around a card? It definitely has shades of Nazi Germany, and that should scare everyone more than Covid, which despite the hysteria being caused by the media, will kill half as many people in the US as cancer.

 

[hot-gril]

Is this Nazi Germany (mandatory ID cards - not anything else ! ) ?


Happy to have vaccines but needing to provide documentation to go about your daily life is insane (especially given the <1% mortality rate).

Key difference, these are uncoordinated private parties asking for proof, not a centralized government. It's sucky but not Nazi level.

I sympathize with people who don't trust the vaccine, cause it's hard to trust something so forced. I was in the same boat but recently flipped and decided to probably get it, maybe late. I'm not afraid of the virus for myself but for people around me, and vaccines in general have a long and safe track record. And I see all those annoying people trying to force it as "beta testers" since they'll probably jump to get the vaccine well before I do.

Maybe I'll be barred from restaurants and such for some time before I get the vaccine, but I can tolerate that. I don't blame them for it.

 

[hot-gril]

Everything in life is a calculated risk. The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people a year yet we don’t require people to carry proof of vaccination. Furthermore, vaccination doesn’t guarantee 100% protection nor is it 100% safe.

People who want to take the risk of living their lives without being vaccinated should be allowed to do so, and the majority of us who get vaccinated should be fine from those who are infected so why force people to get vaccinated and/or carry around a card? It definitely has shades of Nazi Germany, and that should scare everyone more than Covid, which despite the hysteria being caused by the media, will kill half as many people in the US as cancer.

The flu kills way, way fewer people, and that's without anyone wearing masks or quarantining. Every nation in the world is scared of covid19, which says that this isn't politically motivated.

The vaccine isn't 100% effective, as you say, so that's why vaccinated people still care how many others are vaccinated. The ugly truth is there's a game here, you either get vaccinated or skip it and hope enough other people do.

 

[quagmire]

Everything in life is a calculated risk. The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people a year yet we don’t require people to carry proof of vaccination. Furthermore, vaccination doesn’t guarantee 100% protection nor is it 100% safe.

People who want to take the risk of living their lives without being vaccinated should be allowed to do so, and the majority of us who get vaccinated should be fine from those who are infected so why force people to get vaccinated and/or carry around a card? It definitely has shades of Nazi Germany, and that should scare everyone more than Covid, which despite the hysteria being caused by the media, will kill half as many people in the US as cancer.

If it was that simple as the decision not to get vaccinated only effects that one person, hey I would be all for it. But there is a reason why herd immunity is important. It protects the immunocompromised. Getting vaccinated help establishes herd immunity.

This anti-vaccination movement that has gained a decent following is why measles a disease that was eliminated in the US saw a comeback a few years back. And the measles vaccine does prevent you from being a carrier that means getting the measles vaccine helps protect those who can't get vaccinated.

This is why there is such hatred for anti-vaxxers.

BUT to be clear yet again, I can understand the skepticism into the COVID vaccine given the speed it was developed. As long as those people use good data( and not fringe data) as it comes out to determine when they are comfortable getting the vaccine, then fine.

 

[CubeHacker]

This is just a slight change of subject - but why has the USA and in general, the entire planet, focused all their efforts and funds into creating a vaccine which a large percentage of the population is unlikely to take, instead of focusing on developing some medication to treat covid instead? Considering that a lot of people won’t, or can’t take it, AND that we have no realistic idea how long immunity lasts, it seems that the smarter short term goal would have been to treat the sick and minimize death instead on trying to focus on Heard immunity.

 

[budselectjr]

The best part is that you can still spread the virus to others even if you have green check mark apple wallet screen to shove in peoples faces 😂