No my freedoms don’t end, and the burden of proof is not on me to make anyone else feel safe.
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No my freedoms don’t end, and the burden of proof is not on me to make anyone else feel safe.
Sorry my antecedent was not clear. When I said “The government trying to stop a pandemic is more important than you being frightened of it”, by “it” I meant the government, not covid or the vaccination itself.
They are requiring temperature screenings in my area now, asking to see a screen on a smartphone will absolutely be happening.
A lot of these comments make me terrified what would happen if Polio were still around and the vaccine was rolled out today.
So many people here going off the deep end with "muh rights!"
No wonder the US is pushing close to 20 million infections and 340 thousand covid deaths. Expect the recent Christmas spreading to kick that up significantly in the next few weeks.
No wonder the US is pushing close to 20 million infections and 340 thousand covid deaths. Expect the recent Christmas spreading to kick that up significantly in the next few weeks.
You’re wrong. It’s never a HIPPA violation for a person to voluntarily disclose their own medical information.
If you don’t wish to disclose, that’s fine but you might have trouble with certain activities such as attending concerts (or flying), similar to if you objected to bag search or going through a metal detector. The venue isn’t going to sacrifice the security of everyone else because someone thinks the rules shouldn’t apply to them.
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They should deny anti vaxxers access to the vaccine and then suddenly the anti vaxxers will all start demanding that they have a right to get it.
You realize that they’ve inflated those numbers by including people who died WITH Covid, not because of Covid, right?
I agree. Anybody can photoshop a fake wallet image. There has to be a global db to keep track of these vaccinations. Maybe the pharma need to manage this.
It's not a vaccin.
It's genetic code that runs in your cells to fabricate a vaccin. Like an auto-immune respons/illness.
Some say this genetic code can embed itself in your DNA. Then the pandemic has really started.
It's genetic code that runs in your cells to fabricate a vaccin. Like an auto-immune respons/illness.
Some say this genetic code can embed itself in your DNA. Then the pandemic has really started.
It will be required... Spain just announced they will begin tracking and sharing with EU, people that refuse to get the vaccine. Having it on your phone just makes it easy.
In Spagna un "registro" per chi rifiuta il vaccino: "Sarà condiviso con i Paesi Ue" - L'Unione Sarda.it
Il registro non sarà pubblico, ma la condivisione con gli altri Paesi europei potrebbe portare a un divieto di viaggiare
I am absolutely all for this, and thanks for making it easy. Don’t want the vaccine? Fair play, but be prepared to lose your ”right” to fly internationally, possibly domestically. Also, large events like concerts and sporting events may be off limits.
Don’t like it? Tough, this is for the good of ALL
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I wouldn't call that behavior anti-vaxx.
numbers do show many hospitals are at full capacity.
Once again the "civility" of the Macrumors Forum is on full display. People are so nasty to one another here. Please remember, everyone has been stressed by this wild year. Show kindness, even when you disagree.
How could anyone possibly know that the vaccine is only good for 18-24 months of protection, given that even the early phase trial participants have been vaccinated for way less than a year? It's possible boosters will be needed, but that's far from known.
There are long-lasting issues that can still affect people (even if you don't die).
People with the argument "you won't be able to fly or go to concerts without a vaccine" haven't thought it through. Once the roll out has completed and everyone has had a chance to get the vaccine if they want it, then everything will just open up freely, as the non-vaccinated won't be a threat to the health of those that have chosen to vaccinate. Same as no one is restricted now for not having any other type of vaccine. (And yes I know there are some people who can't have vaccines, such as babies and people with certain conditions, but this hasn't resulted in restrictions to non-vaccinated people in the past). Assuming the vaccines go well, the world will fully open again sometime in 2021. A handful of older generation anti-vacc'ers will die, and a handful of younger ones will have long lasting health issues, and some ICU's might stay busy for a period, but the rest of us, anti-vacc'ers or otherwise, will carry on like normal again.
And hey, who knows, maybe the anti-vacc'ers are right, and everyone who takes a vaccine will die or grow two heads or learn how to count cards at the casino
And hey, who knows, maybe the anti-vacc'ers are right, and everyone who takes a vaccine will die or grow two heads or learn how to count cards at the casino
A private business has every right to deny service to a person who cannot or will not prove that they are not carrying a deadly disease. Nothing to do with fascism.
No. Excess mortality is way up in 2020, starting - it just so happens! - in March and continuing through December, with spikes in that excess mortality occurring right when - surprise! - covid numbers were way up.
Take a look at this:
Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)
Explore data on COVID-19 excess mortality across the world.
ourworldindata.org
Similar data viewed different from CDC:
Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19
Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.
www.cdc.gov
What is shows is that the US has had significant excess mortality since mid-March (right as the pandemic ramped up). The excess mortality has been less when the virus was waning (June, September) and more when it was surging (April, August). Data not yet in for current surge at the first link because of lagging data, but it's a little more current on the CDC website.
If you dig into the data a little, you'll see that the excess mortality is largely in line with reported Covid deaths — but if anything, covid deaths seem to be understated a little bit compared to excess mortality. So probably some % more people are dying of covid than is being reported - definitely not less.
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This is civil. You have not been on other forums I see.
I'm looking forward to getting the vaccine, and I will do so at the first opportunity. I'd get one today if offered—but as a healthy, active 50-year-old who can work at home, I will be way back in the line.
But I am strongly opposed to any requirement to show proof of vaccination for ordinary activities like concerts and domestic flights. It's a precedent that I do not want to set.
But I am strongly opposed to any requirement to show proof of vaccination for ordinary activities like concerts and domestic flights. It's a precedent that I do not want to set.
How would you feel about being REQUIRED to scan a QR code and answer questions to dine at a restaurant? Or, if you do not, you are required to provide, verifiable contact information. Would you accept that?
It’s truly remarkable how some of you are able connect something as innocuous as an optional vaccination record to Nazi Germany. This makes me an angry Jew.
Apparently you all forgot that your schools and universities also require records of vaccinations and have been doing so for literally decades. Oops!
Apparently you all forgot that your schools and universities also require records of vaccinations and have been doing so for literally decades. Oops!
There comes a point where we need to look out for the good of all. The anti-vaxxers can stay home
Guess what people... as an employer, I will ABSOLUTELY require a vaccine when widely available,
www.cbsnews.com
Guess what people... as an employer, I will ABSOLUTELY require a vaccine when widely available,
Employers can bar unvaccinated employees from the workplace, EEOC says
Although some people may be exempt, most workers could be required to get a shot, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has said.
www.cbsnews.com