Lost TV show (Part 2) -- includes spoilers on show nights

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The guitar seemed rather obvious to me: they needed to re-create the crash and the guitar is supposed to represent Charlie.
 
Mavimao said:
The guitar seemed rather obvious to me: they needed to re-create the crash and the guitar is supposed to represent Charlie.
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I was thinking that too, but what represented Boone and Shannon and Arzt and Jin and Sawyer and the guy who got sucked into the turbine and Bernard and Rose? And how do they account for Ben, who was not on 815?

Hawking did make the comment about trying to recreate the crash, but I wonder if that wasn't some hocus pocus to prevent someone from bailing at the last minute. Or maybe it was an excuse to make sure the shoes on the plane. That's it! Jacob is a time-traveling footwear salesman! Now Lost makes perfect sense!

mt
 
jecapaga said:
not sure if this was mentioned yet...but why in the world does Juliette's home as a child look thoroughly modern? She's from the future. The evidence? The book on the table, "Mysteries of the Ancient Americas" was published by Pleasantville, N.Y. : Reader's Digest Association, c1986
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She's not from the future. She's from the same timeline as Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Locke, Hurley, Sayeed, Sun, etc. If she was around 10 years old in 1986 (and that's how old the kid version of her looked in that scene), she would be around 30 years old in 2006, which is the show's 'present'.


mysterytramp said:
I was thinking that too, but what represented Boone and Shannon and Arzt and Jin and Sawyer and the guy who got sucked into the turbine and Bernard and Rose? And how do they account for Ben, who was not on 815?
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All of those people were already on the island (alive or dead) at the time of the 316 flight.
 
Argghhhh!!!

What's the most recently episode anyone?
Just watched Season 5, Ep 17!!!

What happens to the umm.. thing? ???

I feel frustrated!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
I have posted some of EW's blogs before. I mainly read them for some of the tidbits that aren't obvious, such as book titles and what the stories are about, since I never do the research myself.

It's always an entertaining read.

EW's Lost Blog

A little more insight into the Book Jacob was reading, comments about the statue and some other stuff we didn't really talk about, in particular, who Jacob visits and what he did for each. For instance, Juliette and Miles didn't get the Jacob flashback treatment.
 
I think the nuke broke down the statue.

...and I think Flocke should be spelled fLocke. This is an Apple forum, afterall. ;)
 
OK this just popped into my head, it could be crazy, but here it goes.

What if Jacob's visits to the Losties were in a totally different timeline - as in, these visits never happened to the Losties who we have been watching for 5 seasons. Perhaps the bomb goes off, and they really do all die. Jacob, with his infinite power, goes back in time and instills in these messed up people great, powerful messages:

Kate - don't steal, "be good Katie"
Jin and Sun - don't take love for granted
Locke - assured Locke that everything was going to be alright, may or may not have given him healing powers (perhaps we find that he can walk directly after Jacob visits him instead of him having to wait for the Island to do it)
Hurley - see your curse as a blessing
Sawyer - don't be bitter about your parents, what's done is done (not a direct message but perhaps influenced?)
Jack - "just needed a little push" (the line referred to the candy bar literally but was really about Jack)

Yeah, this doesn't explain everyone's flashback (Sayid, Ilana, Juliet), but the people I listed above have all exhibited characteristics that oppose what Jacob had taught them throughout the series.

These messages could have been conveyed not only through words, but also through Jacob touching everyone. Perhaps he can transfer a little bit of his will and wisdom through his touch.

So, perhaps the sixth season will represent a second chance for these characters we know and love - except now, they have been profoundly changed by their visits from Jacob. They live their lives from that point on over again, and have a chance to re-make all the choices they made again, except this time, they make the "right(??)" choices.

Just a thought

Other random thoughts from re-watching the episode:

I noticed that the infirmary Ilana is being held at when Jacob visits her looks a lot like the one Locke is taken to in Tunisia right after he moves the Island. She seems like a leader, and leaders have been the only ones we know of to move the Island right now, so perhaps she was fresh from moving it. Don't know how this is relevant with the information we have now, but it's something to think about.

Both Jacob and his cabin burn at a very fast pace.

Juliet's flashback seemed out of place, namely because Jacob was absent from it. The flashback is about Juliet's parents telling her and her sister that even though two people still love each other, they may not be right for one another. This flashback could be one of two things: First, it could be an easy way to tie up the love triangle - Juliet does to Sawyer what her mother and father decided to do when she was a kid. Makes enough sense to me. However, the second option, is that the writers threw this in there to show that human beings in general are doomed to repeat the mistakes of generations before us, no matter how little sense they make. This mirrors the theory about the Island being a cyclical study of human ethics. "It only has to end once". Once free will is truly recognized, then we can start to make our own decisions, not influenced by our father's mistakes...

...and then Bam!, Jacob wins
 
Jacob likes to give things to people. Am I correct that he gave Jack a candy bar, Hurley a guitar case, young Kate a lunchbox, and young Sawyer a pen? Did he touch each of them too?

He touched Locke but I don't think he gave him anything. What does it all mean?
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Doctor Q said:
Jacob likes to give things to people. Am I correct that he gave Jack a candy bar, Hurley a guitar case, young Kate a lunchbox, and young Sawyer a pen? Did he touch each of them too?

He touched Locke but I don't think he gave him anything. What does it all mean?
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From what I can tell he touched everyone, but only gave things to the people you mentioned above. They show obvious hand grazing with Jack and Sawyer when Jacob hands them their respective things, he touches Kate on the nose, and he touches Hurley in the cab. Also, he hands Sayid the map, presumably touching him there, and he touches both Jin and Sun at the wedding. You're right, something very interesting is going on here.

Also, does anyone have a good hi-res pic of the white LOST screen at the end of the episode? That would make a cool desktop background.
 
From the beginning of the episode, Esau is looking for a loophole to kill Jacob. At the end of the episode, Jacob makes the comment that "you found your loophole."

I think Esau is able to take on the appearance of other people and has been manipulating the Losties by appearing to them as Christian (Jack's father), Charlie, Locke, etc. The fake Locke is Esau and he is manipulating Ben for his own purposes.

I think the loophole is related to the rules that Richard mentions when he explains that only the leader can go in to talk to Jacob. Fake Locke (Esau) convinces Richard that Ben can come along. Because Real Locke is dead (we see his body rolled out of the crate by Ilana), Ben is actually the leader of the Others again. So Ben is able to enter Jacob's home, according to the rules, but he has been manipulated by Fake Locke / Esau to kill Jacob.

Because Ben's daughter appears to him during his encounter with the smoke monster, I think that Esau is the smoke monster and is again taking on the appearance of a person to manipulate someone (Ben in this case).
 
HydroMan said:
Did I miss something, when was Esau mentioned :confused: . BTW that Blog was a good read, thanks pilotError.
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The name Esau wasn't used in the episode, but since that character wasn't given any name, people have been using the name "Esau" because it fits the conflict with Jacob.
 
HydroMan said:
Did I miss something, when was Esau mentioned :confused: . BTW that Blog was a good read, thanks pilotError.
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Esau was Jacob's jealous competitive brother in the bible who told Jacob he wanted to kill him. It's just a parallel that fans have made at this point. It wasn't mentioned anywhere in the episode.
 
@barr08: it is an interesting theory that you had about that was Jacob visiting the losties in a different timeline. but like you said how do you explain Sayid and Hurley. Jacob was the one that convinced Hurley to go when he clearly wanted to. and i just had an epiphany about the Ilana flashback with Jacob. He says that HE needs HER help. It is obvious to me that he told her how to trap Sayid. and make sure that he was on flight 316. cause he knew that Sayid would not go willingly. So he had Ilana pretend to be a bounty hunter that was after him and makes him get on that flight. it makes perfect sense. the mystery is we dont know why she was all f'ed up in that hospital place.

@weldon: sorry im just totally convinced that Jacob's Nemesis is not the smoke monster.

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thinking about it im not totally convinced that fake locke/jacob's nemisis is the smoke monster anymore.

when fake locke was walking with Ben on their way to see Jacob and Ben tells him that his dead daughter appeared to him and said that he must do what ever fake locke says he seems surprised. and says well i guess i don't have to convince you after all. that is screaming at me that they are trying to tell us that the fake locke and smoky are not one in the same.

it is obvious that they are working together or at least smoky is on the side of the fake Locke but i now dont believe that they are one in the same. it also explains that jacob's nemisis can shape shift into people with out their bodies and smoky needs their bodies. otherwise it's just not consistent. and the Lost writer's would do that to us!!
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Christian isn't Christian. He's Mr. Loophole (Jacob's enemy)-- Just like he was able to look like Locke, he was able to look like Christian (also dead), Walt (not on the island), and perhaps even Kate's horse. Pretty much every "ghost" on the island was this guy, I'm sure.
 
Doctor Q said:
Jacob likes to give things to people. Am I correct that he gave Jack a candy bar, Hurley a guitar case, young Kate a lunchbox, and young Sawyer a pen? Did he touch each of them too?

He touched Locke but I don't think he gave him anything. What does it all mean?
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He touched Locke and gave him healing. Locke probably would have died from the fall, but Jacob saved him so he could continue to the island.

Also, instead of killing Nadia, Jacob was *saving* Sayid. Nadia was incidental. He didn't care about Nadia-- Only about Sayid.
 
On another topic ... I thought I read, before the season started, that the real Henry Gale was supposed to make an appearance this season.

And two, anyone want to postulate how the Star Trek plot will mirror the resolution of Lost? That is, you can go back in time, monkey with the past and get a new future? Considering the similar creative teams, I wonder if they're following the same path or purposefully taking different ones.

mt
 
ViciousShadow21 said:
@barr08: ...and i just had an epiphany about the Ilana flashback with Jacob. He says that HE needs HER help. It is obvious to me that he told her how to trap Sayid. and make sure that he was on flight 316. cause he knew that Sayid would not go willingly. So he had Ilana pretend to be a bounty hunter that was after him and makes him get on that flight. it makes perfect sense. the mystery is we dont know why she was all f'ed up in that hospital place.
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Oh yeah, good catch. I think that's definitely why he was there. I didn't even put that together but it seems so obvious now.

However, I'm not giving up on my idea. I still think she is fresh from moving the Island. Perhaps Jacob made her move it without telling her why, and then came to visit her when she touched down in Tunisia (if that's indeed where she is). He asked her if she would help (despite whatever happened to her during the moving process) and she blindly followed, like all the rest. In return, he healed her face, and sent her to get Sayid. I don't remember exactly if she was in the van that Bram was in when they picked up Miles and asked him the question, but if she was, it would fit that time frame as well.

My question is what is the extent of Jacob's power off the Island. We've seen him heal Locke and probably Ilana. He can also probably manipulate time, as he visits the Losties in all different points of their lives (unless he was doing that real time, which is just as possible since he's so old). It almost seems like his omnipotence is universal, not just on the Island. Sounds to me very much like a God.
 
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