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Lost TV show (Part 2) -- includes spoilers on show nights

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barr08 said:
Oh, and is Danielle pregnant with Alex before she meets Ben? Could he have been telling the truth to that badass army dude who shot her when he said they were not related? If this was true, why did Ben vow vengance on Penny to Whidmore?
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I think Danielle had to be pregnant before getting to the island, no woman who has gotten pregnant on the island has survived, which is why it was so important to get Sun off the island. Ben definitely stole Alex from Danielle, and was telling the truth that she was of no relation. But when you raise a baby you form a bond so he loved Alex despite no actual blood relation. The line to the Marine was to try to get him to let her go.

pilotError said:
I assumed the time jumps were moving in the same direction (forward), as the last 2 jumps were both at the time where they had already landed on the island (claire's baby being born and the camp existing on the beach).
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They jump back forth and all over. Locke saw the plane crash got shot be Ethan, Jump forward to Richard saving him and giving him the magic time loop compass, jump back to before the plane even crashed, so I assumed that after they were there on hatch night they jumped somewhere in the future (camp was there) but new boats and then jumped back to when Danielle landed on the Island... and they'll jump randomly forward and back a few times next episode as well...
 
lostfan916 said:
Could be she doesn't remember. She was there for 16 years so she could've been a little coo coo (well, she WAS coo coo) so that could've just slipped her memory.
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Is she actually crazy though? I know everyone thought she was at first, given that we didn't know the full capability of the island and the events that later unfolded.


Good ep. I like that each one now has something ultra-hardcore revealing - today's being that Jin isn't dead.
Don't like this transformation of Sawyer to James. James is such a soft arse.
 
atszyman said:
How much interaction was there between Jinn and Rousseau in prior episodes? Is it possible that she just didn't spend enough time with him after the crash to put 2+2 together? Or maybe it was explained and she just didn't want to mess with the timeline...
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She could be just crazy (as the simplest explanation) I mean having your child taken from you and avoiding all human contact, yet hearing whispers in the woods for 16(?) years would do it.

I think Jin and Locke's group are in the same timeline together, they alluded to that with the french lettering on the cans that Charlotte pointed out to the group.

While this introduces Rousseau's team to the audience, will it dare explain the presence of the polar bear?
 
Raid said:
While this introduces Rousseau's team to the audience, will it dare explain the presence of the polar bear?
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The polar bear has always been one of my favorite mysteries. The only connection I can make from anything in the show thus far is that it was super frigid under the Orchid when Ben moved the Island. Maybe the presence of the PB has something to do with whatever/wherever/whenever was causing that coldness. I know it's a stretch, but lost theories often seem that way...
 
barr08 said:
The polar bear has always been one of my favorite mysteries. The only connection I can make from anything in the show thus far is that it was super frigid under the Orchid when Ben moved the Island. Maybe the presence of the PB has something to do with whatever/wherever/whenever was causing that coldness. I know it's a stretch, but lost theories often seem that way...
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I always just figured that the Dharma initiative kept them at the zoo station in the cages that Sawyer and Kate enjoyed...
 
When Terminators time-travel, only their unclothed bodies move through time. When the Lost characters time travel, they get to keep their clothes (good for modesty's sake on a network show), but also items they have with them, e.g., compasses, guns. Last night it was a bit less plausible: I was expecting that they would jump in time while paddling and end up in the water without the canoe, but the canoe jumped with them! If they stand in a tent and touch the side will the tent go with them? If they hold a handful of dirt, will it not move with them because it's part of the island itself? Carried to the extreme, if they go in a Dharma station will the whole station move with them? I like my sci-fi to use consistent science, and I think this version of time-travel is based on writer convenience. For shame!

I keep wondering if the people are time-traveling or the island is time-traveling, or a little of both, since the appearance to a given person would be the same either way. Clues that people time-travel: the people apparently aren't all changing to the same times. Also, some get nosebleeds from the "temporal trauma". When Ben "moved the island" could it have been in both time and space?
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atszyman said:
I always just figured that the Dharma initiative kept them at the zoo station in the cages that Sawyer and Kate enjoyed...
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Same here, and if I was a betting man, I would go with that over my theory 10 times outta 10. The one thing that keeps me thinking is that that would be a pretty obvious explanation, and yet they haven't touched on it in the show. I think whatever the final revelation of the show is will be the first explanation of the bears. Call it a hunch.
 
Doctor Q said:
When Terminators time-travel, only their unclothed bodies move through time. When the Lost characters time travel, they get to keep their clothes (good for modesty's sake on a network show), but also items they have with them, e.g., compasses, guns. Last night it was a bit less plausible: I was expecting that they would jump in time while paddling and end up in the water without the canoe, but the canoe jumped with them! If they stand in a tent and touch the side will the tent go with them? If they hold a handful of dirt, will it not move with them because it's part of the island itself? Carried to the extreme, if they go in a Dharma station will the whole station move with them? I like my sci-fi to use consistent science, and I think this version of time-travel is based on writer convenience. For shame!
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if they went into an underground station and then jumped would they be burried alive?

Doctor Q said:
I keep wondering if the people are time-traveling or the island is time-traveling, or a little of both, since the appearance to a given person would be the same either way. Clues that people time-travel: the people apparently aren't all changing to the same times. Also, some get nosebleeds from the "temporal trauma". When Ben "moved the island" could it have been in both time and space?
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Where do you get the idea that the people aren't all traveling to the same times?
 
Doctor Q said:
When Terminators time-travel, only their unclothed bodies move through time. When the Lost characters time travel, they get to keep their clothes (good for modesty's sake on a network show), but also items they have with them, e.g., compasses, guns. Last night it was a bit less plausible: I was expecting that they would jump in time while paddling and end up in the water without the canoe, but the canoe jumped with them! If they stand in a tent and touch the side will the tent go with them? If they hold a handful of dirt, will it not move with them because it's part of the island itself? Carried to the extreme, if they go in a Dharma station will the whole station move with them? I like my sci-fi to use consistent science, and I think this version of time-travel is based on writer convenience. For shame!
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Yeah, "writer convenience" is the perfect way to describe the time traveling details. This is a dissapointment, and I hope they suprise the hell outta us with some fascinating explanation.

Doctor Q said:
I keep wondering if the people are time-traveling or the island is time-traveling, or a little of both, since the appearance to a given person would be the same either way. Clues that people time-travel: the people apparently aren't all changing to the same times. Also, some get nosebleeds from the "temporal trauma". When Ben "moved the island" could it have been in both time and space?
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I also believe that "moving" the island means not only through space but through time as well. Maybe the wheel that Ben turned is responsible for the jumps - Ben defrosted it, so now it's spinning and every time it goes a full way around, it moves the island again. The only way to stop it is to freeze it again?
 
We know a little about the Polar Bears (they were in the cage at the Hydra and that they have been used to move the island) but there hasn't been a complete answer. I mean there's not much to explain about the Hydra station, Tom said they were doing experiments on them there. But what I want to know is when was a polar bear used to move the island? We know Dharma knew about the frozen donkey wheel but did they ever use it? (I'm assuming not because that would move the island.) So possibly the Others used the polar bears to move the island before. But how did they get there? In Ms. Hawkings map of where the marks where there was a mark next to Antarctica. Polar bears don't live there though, but so far I think it makes the most sense... :confused:

As to Danielle, she's pretty crazy. Stealing a baby to exchange it for your 16 year old daughter doesn't scream out sane. And also, she didn't have a lot of confrontation with Jin. I think the only time she saw him was in the season 3 finale when they were about to go to war with the Others. I think what I have more trouble believing is that Jin survived that blast...:rolleyes:

ETA: I'm one hundred percent sure the island is moving in space as well. Hence the marks on Hawkings map. And how else do you explain the Nigerian drug plane landing on the island?
 
lostfan916 said:
We know a little about the Polar Bears (they were in the cage at the Hydra and that they have been used to move the island) but there hasn't been a complete answer. I mean there's not much to explain about the Hydra station, Tom said they were doing experiments on them there. But what I want to know is when was a polar bear used to move the island? We know Dharma knew about the frozen donkey wheel but did they ever use it? (I'm assuming not because that would move the island.) So possibly the Others used the polar bears to move the island before. But how did they get there? In Ms. Hawkings map of where the marks where there was a mark next to Antarctica. Polar bears don't live there though, but so far I think it makes the most sense... :confused:

As to Danielle, she's pretty crazy. Stealing a baby to exchange it for your 16 year old daughter doesn't scream out sane. And also, she didn't have a lot of confrontation with Jin. I think the only time she saw him was in the season 3 finale when they were about to go to war with the Others. I think what I have more trouble believing is that Jin survived that blast...:rolleyes:

ETA: I'm one hundred percent sure the island is moving in space as well. Hence the marks on Hawkings map. And how else do you explain the Nigerian drug plane landing on the island?
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was it ever shown or even implied that the bears are used to move the island? i thought was only fan speculation.
we know the bears were used for experimentations, and that one ended up in the desert (i think the same where ben ended up), where charlotte found it. but they always seemed subject of the studies.

the most likely explanation is that they were brought in by dharma, but may be on of the temporary relocation sites the island uses are in the north-pacific or north-atlantic.

also, if the island moves in space -which i think is the case especially because of the nigerian plane and the black rock- wouldn't it cause a pair of massive tsunamis everytime it disappears and reappears?
couldn't the waves be triangulated to determine the new location?

a compromise would be that the wheel-turning episode caused a massive rip in time AND space, whereas the current adjustment only influence our time-travellers
 
Yeah, I mean, The poster above me was saying that if an island moved, it'd have huge tidal waves and tsunami's and stuff. So I was just saying...
 
Don't panic said:
was it ever shown or even implied that the bears are used to move the island? i thought was only fan speculation.
we know the bears were used for experimentations, and that one ended up in the desert (i think the same where ben ended up), where charlotte found it. but they always seemed subject of the studies.

the most likely explanation is that they were brought in by dharma, but may be on of the temporary relocation sites the island uses are in the north-pacific or north-atlantic.

also, if the island moves in space -which i think is the case especially because of the nigerian plane and the black rock- wouldn't it cause a pair of massive tsunamis everytime it disappears and reappears?
couldn't the waves be triangulated to determine the new location?

a compromise would be that the wheel-turning episode caused a massive rip in time AND space, whereas the current adjustment only influence our time-travellers
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I think the bear in the desert is all the proof I need... how else do you explain a bear with a dharma collar getting there, the exact same place that Ben went when he moved the wheel. It makes too much sense for it not to be true.

I forgot the bear had the dharma collar so obviously the island was moved after dharma was on the island. Methinks after the purge they had a bear move the donkey wheel so Dharma could never find the island (And consequently Charles Widmore?)
 
lostfan916 said:
I forgot the bear had the dharma collar so obviously the island was moved after dharma was on the island. Methinks after the purge they had a bear move the donkey wheel so Dharma could never find the island (And consequently Charles Widmore?)
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I guess whatever moved the wheel physically gets teleported, that'd make sense to use one strong animal over using up a human.

"that'd make sense"... but this is Lost :D
 
atszyman said:
Where do you get the idea that the people aren't all traveling to the same times?
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From what we've been shown. Jin is back when the French arrived, while the team hiking around the island has gone to other times. And Desmond's previous time-traveling was solo.

Perhaps uneven waves of time pass over the island, so people who are together with each other travel through time together, while those in other places end up at different times. If it's a continuous function, then maybe people a few feet apart arrive a few seconds apart in time. :cool:

I don't think time travel explains why people see their relatives appear and disappear, because those people (e.g., Jack's father) aren't standing there looking puzzled, with nosebleeds. Instead, they act like omniscient visions, the kind you'd imagine, not actually encounter.

About polar bears in distant locations, it occurred to me that if you travel through time, you might end up at a different place because of the rotation of the planet. But that didn't seem to happen to Jin or anyone else. And if you really stayed in the same place relative to the universe, you wouldn't even be on Earth anymore, since we move around the Sun and our solar system moves too. Hey, wait for me! :D

Rather than survive the explosion, Jin may have time-traveled just before the explosion and ended up in the water, years before. Does that mean the same thing could have happened to Michael? :eek:
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Doctor Q said:
From what we've been shown. Jin is back when the French arrived, while the team hiking around the island has gone to other times. And Desmond's previous time-traveling was solo.
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I figured Jin was out floating with whatever piece of the boat through all of the teams jumps. The team is with Jin at the time of the French arrivals, Jin just happened to appear near their boat. I am fairly certain that they are always together in the same time.

Desmond's mind was jumping back and forth between two times in his life, he was not physically disappearing as the current crop is.

Doctor Q said:
I don't think time travel explains why people see their relatives appear and disappear, because those people (e.g., Jack's father) aren't standing there looking puzzled, with nosebleeds. Instead, they act like omniscient visions, the kind you'd imagine, not actually encounter.
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Although it would be a handy explanation as to how Walt managed to age like 5 years in the half a year they were on the Island. We also know that Walt is special so he might be unaffected by the time travel and won't get the nose bleeds.

Of course after jumping enough, the "visions" may be so used to it that they're not bwildered and there may be a way around the nosebleeds we don't know yet.
 
If the Island wants everyone back, why not Walt and Michael?

Was it because they left before the key was turned?

I wonder if Walt is the next successor to lead the others. Remember that Richard says they get tested at a very young age. They were giving Walt tests when he was abducted. It's kind of strange we haven't seen or heard much about him at all lately.
 
pilotError said:
If the Island wants everyone back, why not Walt and Michael?

Was it because they left before the key was turned?

I wonder if Walt is the next successor to lead the others. Remember that Richard says they get tested at a very young age. They were giving Walt tests when he was abducted. It's kind of strange we haven't seen or heard much about him at all lately.
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Well we a haven't seen Walt since he ages too quickly to match the timeline. By introducing time travel every time we see the "too old Walt" they can now use the excuse that it's just Future Walt moving around in time to do what needs to be done.

Wasn't Michael on the boat when it exploded? Could he be in the same situation as Jin? or washed up on shore somewhere? I bet he's washed up near the foot and we'll see him in the flashback to when the statue was whole...
 
atszyman said:
Well we a haven't seen Walt since he ages too quickly to match the timeline. By introducing time travel every time we see the "too old Walt" they can now use the excuse that it's just Future Walt moving around in time to do what needs to be done.
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That would have been a handy trick for Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Rupert Grint, who kept getting older faster than their Harry Potter characters!
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Doctor Q said:
That would have been a handy trick for Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and Rupert Grint, who kept getting older faster than their Harry Potter characters!
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yeah, but at least they get a year at a time, and since many people age very differently in their teenage years it can be easily covered. If Luke Perry can play a HS student while he's in his mid 20s to mid 30s I think the Harry Potter cast is fairly safe... unless we get a 15 year break between movies.

Aging 3 years in a little over 3 months is a bit harder especially when he was pre-teen when the show started....
 
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