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Lost TV show (Part 2) -- includes spoilers on show nights
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Agreed. Season 2 was amazing. Season 4 and (so far) 5 are great, but Season 2 was like a mindblow every single week.
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That's easy, they "moved the island" and a ship happened to be at the point where it moved to...
I think the opening sequence of Season 2 is my favorite television moment of all time. For that matter, I really dug the finale as well.
I empathize with those who say the show is getting extremely hard to follow.
A week or two ago, when Faraday finally explained a little bit about the time distortions, I was finally feeling like it was all beginning to come together. But after last night, it seems to have gotten 10x more complicated again.
The other thing that drives me crazy about this show is that so much of it depends on people not talking to each other. Nobody gives anybody else a straight answer or even finishes a sentence.
I realize you've gotta preserve some of the mystery, but those two things (the convoluted plot and the avoidance of saying anything) make me wonder if they really know where this is going.
You'll recall that the downfall of The X Files was that the "mythology" seemed to be not going anywhere. They just kept layering one crazy idea upon another until none of it made sense anymore.
And as to the near-total lack of expository dialogue, that's getting really, really, really old. I have to admit I'm tempted to just give up on the show.
i think the big difference with x-files is that that was always going to be an 'open' show, to drag as long as possible, whereas in LOSt the story arc was pre-determined from the beginning, and is very well defined now.
it's a very substantial difference.
Er no, the story arc on Lost was pre-determined from the point where ABC told the producers they only had a set number of seasons to tell their story. Before that point they were making stuff up and taking ideas from forums on the internet.
Hell they decided on Jack becoming a main character half-way through shooting the pilot episode. He was suppose to DIE in that episode.
I think they had a particular end in mind when they started, they just wanted to be able to shove in random stuff for as many years as possible before bringing the series to a close.
They lost their way for a few episodes, and since ABC gave them a deadline, things are starting to get back on track.
Very few people should be allowed to pitch open ended shows without some sort of overlying story arc.
From what I understand, they had the entire story arc and mythology of Lost determined before the show started, but as for individual episodes and paths the characters would take, it wasn't determined yet. In other words, they knew they would have an Island with these certain magical properties, that it would have hatches on it from the Dharma initiative, that the island would be linked to time travel, etc.
You're right that Jack was supposed to die in the first episode, but that doesn't mean they didn't have the overlying story already written.
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I'd heard from several places that Jack was supposed to die in the pilot. That's something that I'm glad that didn't come to pass, and I can't help but think of what an odd idea it was to begin with.
Why cast Matthew Fox, probably the best known actor when the show was starting out, just to kill him off? I can sort of see it from a writing perspective - the islanders feeling totally screwed now that the one doctor they had just kicked the bucket - but even that is a stretch.
By the way, where the eff are Jacob and the smoke monster? Hanging with dirty/crazy Claire in the magical mystery shack?
Why cast Matthew Fox, probably the best known actor when the show was starting out, just to kill him off? I can sort of see it from a writing perspective - the islanders feeling totally screwed now that the one doctor they had just kicked the bucket - but even that is a stretch.
By the way, where the eff are Jacob and the smoke monster? Hanging with dirty/crazy Claire in the magical mystery shack?
that's your opinion, but the authors have frequently stated that the main parts of the story where established from the beginning and others coalesced quite early on.
certainly there were changes on the go, as is obvious for a tv series, but that is quite different from 'making stuff up" along the way in semi-random fashion.
that said, having established an end-time, certainly helped the show to focus (or re-focus) on the relevant parts rather than drag on with filler episodes.
on a more interesting point:
the jughead-type hydrogen-bombs were, in 1954, the most advanced and powerful weapons existing on the planet, by a fair margin.
is it plausible that the US military sends a small contingent of soldiers to deploy it and when these 'disappear' they don't come back with an entire flipping fleet to find out what is happening and retrieve the bomb? not to mention to take care of whoever offed the soldiers?
it seems to me that the only possibility is that, to avoid further US military interference, the island was moved immediately after this event to a new location.
the jughead-type hydrogen-bombs were, in 1954, the most advanced and powerful weapons existing on the planet, by a fair margin.
is it plausible that the US military sends a small contingent of soldiers to deploy it and when these 'disappear' they don't come back with an entire flipping fleet to find out what is happening and retrieve the bomb? not to mention to take care of whoever offed the soldiers?
it seems to me that the only possibility is that, to avoid further US military interference, the island was moved immediately after this event to a new location.
I don't think that's correct. Part of the negotiating that happened during season three between ABC and the producers was that the PRODUCERS wanted a set number of episodes whereas ABC wanted it to go on indefinitely. When has a broadcaster ever told someone that one of their most popular shows must end at a certain point? Never. ABC would run Lost into the ground if they had the option to do so.
I forget where I read this, but it was one of the interviews where they said the original plan was to do a 3 season show. After it made such a hit on season 1, ABC asked them to stretch it.
When the show started losing viewership, they went to ABC and asked to limit the number of years so they could get the thing back on track and properly finish the story.
Half the reason there were so many bizarre unanswered story lines going on was to stretch the main storyline.
When the show started losing viewership, they went to ABC and asked to limit the number of years so they could get the thing back on track and properly finish the story.
Half the reason there were so many bizarre unanswered story lines going on was to stretch the main storyline.
Although Jack was supposed to die in the Pilot, they didn't just scrap the idea while filming. 
When TPTB presented the script (to ABC I believe) Jack was supposed to die but they thought it would be better if they kept Jack alive because killing Jack might be perceived negatively by the audience. They obviously don't have every aspect of the show planned out because that would be impossible. **** happens. Emmerson was only supposed to play the part of Henry Gale but since he was basically amazing and the audience loved him, they also made him the leader of the Others. But these guys know what they are doing.
When TPTB presented the script (to ABC I believe) Jack was supposed to die but they thought it would be better if they kept Jack alive because killing Jack might be perceived negatively by the audience. They obviously don't have every aspect of the show planned out because that would be impossible. **** happens. Emmerson was only supposed to play the part of Henry Gale but since he was basically amazing and the audience loved him, they also made him the leader of the Others. But these guys know what they are doing.
I didn't think it was that great of an episode this week. Oh well, they're allowed to have a few that aren't so great when the others have been phenomenal this season.
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Had some good shockers like Jin and Danielle's team... The O6 story is a bore, want more island action! But I think they just needed to set that story up, things should start to get interesting regarding them.
So, why doesn't "future" Rousseau remember meeting Jin from the past? Or did she, and just never mentioned it?
Could be she doesn't remember. She was there for 16 years so she could've been a little coo coo (well, she WAS coo coo) so that could've just slipped her memory.
How much interaction was there between Jinn and Rousseau in prior episodes? Is it possible that she just didn't spend enough time with him after the crash to put 2+2 together? Or maybe it was explained and she just didn't want to mess with the timeline...
Funny how Jin ended up in the Past (He knew right away who Danielle was) and how Locke and company are presumably back into the future.
So I guess everyone who does eventually make it back to the island will arrive at some different time until they all converge on the correct time after each flash.
Which may be why we saw Jacks dad alive and all those other unexplained arrivals (lockes fake father).
WTF was that LOST Untangled commercial? during Life on Mars. For those that didn't see it, they played out the main story line using a Ken Doll?...
It's supposed to be on ABC, but I haven't bothered to look.
Daniel seems to recognize the nose bleeds (I assume he was doing human testing on his time travel experiments) and knows the end result is what the happened to the student in bed at the university.
I still think the student is Charlotte for some reason and when the island corrects itself in time, she'll wake up and they'll live happier ever after
OK, I just watched enchanted earlier with my kids.
Either way, I think Daniel is the one to figure out how to stop the time shifts.
Was it me or did some of the guys from the French ship look like the ones Penny Employed to find the Island (They were in the Frozen shack when Desmond turned the key). I know they weren't French, but for some reason they looked the same. They weren't very friendly toward Jin... I guess we are going to find out more about Daniellles group soon.
So I guess everyone who does eventually make it back to the island will arrive at some different time until they all converge on the correct time after each flash.
Which may be why we saw Jacks dad alive and all those other unexplained arrivals (lockes fake father).
WTF was that LOST Untangled commercial? during Life on Mars. For those that didn't see it, they played out the main story line using a Ken Doll?...
It's supposed to be on ABC, but I haven't bothered to look.
Daniel seems to recognize the nose bleeds (I assume he was doing human testing on his time travel experiments) and knows the end result is what the happened to the student in bed at the university.
I still think the student is Charlotte for some reason and when the island corrects itself in time, she'll wake up and they'll live happier ever after
OK, I just watched enchanted earlier with my kids.
Either way, I think Daniel is the one to figure out how to stop the time shifts.
Was it me or did some of the guys from the French ship look like the ones Penny Employed to find the Island (They were in the Frozen shack when Desmond turned the key). I know they weren't French, but for some reason they looked the same. They weren't very friendly toward Jin... I guess we are going to find out more about Daniellles group soon.
Wasn't the last jump to the rainy night? couldn't that have been the same past that Jinn was in? They all seem to jump together so I would presume that Jin is in the same time as the others and has just been stuck out in the ocean through the jumps until he jumped into close proximity to Rousseau's boat.
This is how I perceived it, too. I think all the people who were on the island when Ben "moved" it are traveling together through time. What I don't understand is how the island is moving in relation to them. We knew the island moved once (after Ben moved it), but now, as Locke and them are moving through time, the island appears to stay stationary.
Last night's episode was pretty "meh", but they need these filler episodes so they can get to the good stuff!
Oh, and is Danielle pregnant with Alex before she meets Ben? Could he have been telling the truth to that badass army dude who shot her when he said they were not related? If this was true, why did Ben vow vengance on Penny to Whidmore?
I assumed the time jumps were moving in the same direction (forward), as the last 2 jumps were both at the time where they had already landed on the island (claire's baby being born and the camp existing on the beach).
It was a dark and stormy night...
Remember that the Plane crashed on a night like this, even though it was daytime on the island when they looked up and saw the plane break apart. Didn't Desmond almost let the timer go one time before (when the plane crashed)?
Danielle had told everyone that the others stole her baby. I assume that perhaps Ben had a wife at some point that died during child birth (The reason Julliette was brought to the island). I thought they probably took her for experimentation and ended up raising her as his own.
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