Yes, because he can't believe that he's seeing Locke alive and walking out of the statue when he has seen Locke's body at the casket with his own eyes.
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Yes, because he can't believe that he's seeing Locke alive and walking out of the statue when he has seen Locke's body at the casket with his own eyes.
I understand that. What I don't understand is why he referred to the dead Locke in the casket as "some dead guy" when he has already seen him and knows what he looks like.
And it's not morning when sun and Frank talk outside the statue.
Why would Christian's casket exit the plane when it was supposed to crash, but everyone else stay on the plane with no problem?
Ok, if that's a comment on that I said stepsister instead of half sister it makes absolutely no difference as to why she wouldn't be on the plane when everyone else was. She existed when the plane crashed regardless of how I describe her relationship to her brother. More simply put: No plane crash = No blonde girl.
I just watched the last episode from last season.
In the last episode of last season the O6 are flying back over the island. some disappear and some are on the plane when Frank crash lands it on the airstrip.
On the plane are some of the other others.
They are seen taking a box with a casket inside to the statue along with Locke.
Locke goes in the statue with Ben to talk to Jacob when Locke tells Ben he must kill Jacob.
they are all on the beach and the casket is dropped open by the Latin speaking others to show Richard who is in the casket. It is Locke. Sun and the pilot are standing there when it is opened.
Now why doesn't Frank recognize Locke in the casket ? I know they've never met but Frank HAS seen him before and Sun has too.
Now I am completely confused and will have to wait for the new episode.
I missed something. Why do we think the casket was on the plane at all in this new timeline?
No it wasn't. I just answered your question about her name and threw in more details for those who care about such things.
Hmmm... if Charlie didn't die, didn't crash, and got arrested instead, why does the DriveSHAFT website still talk about his memorial tributes? Shouldn't these viral websites be updated to keep in sync with the show?
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to
a couple of random comments.
I don't think the bomb actually went off at all, at least in the time/space of the losties. the "accident" occurred and triggered two events:
1) it sent jack &Co. back to the 2007 original timeline (with hatch built and imploded, and all the events we saw having happened)
2) it stemmed a new timeline, where the events unfolded differently (for exmple, Dr. candle's crew was attacked by the losties and so whatever action was taken the first time to contain it, which lead to the hatch, must have occurred differently the second time, or not occurred at all. Thus a different behavior of the 'others' and of the island itself.
this leads to the somehow different lives of the losties (eg. desmond is married -to penny?-, sun and jin are not married, sawyer seem content, hugo is lucky, and so on) and the slightly different events on the plane.
If the bomb had actually gone off, the losties would be all dead in the 2007 timeline, and the barracks would have been razed in the alternative timeline. also an explosion even a big one would not 'sink' an island, would just make a crater and leave the entire area a radioactive wasteland for quite a while (so no thrivin underwater life in 30 years).
Either the bomb failed to go off outright (because it was a dud after all these years or because the magnetic field from the anomaly completely messed up the wiring, besides, can you even trigger a nuclear reaction banging a rock on the casing?) or 'the accident' happened just before it could go off
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to
a couple of random comments.
I don't think the bomb actually went off at all, at least in the time/space of the losties. the "accident" occurred and triggered two events:
1) it sent jack &Co. back to the 2007 original timeline (with hatch built and imploded, and all the events we saw having happened)
2) it stemmed a new timeline, where the events unfolded differently (for exmple, Dr. candle's crew was attacked by the losties and so whatever action was taken the first time to contain it, which lead to the hatch, must have occurred differently the second time, or not occurred at all. Thus a different behavior of the 'others' and of the island itself.
this leads to the somehow different lives of the losties (eg. desmond is married -to penny?-, sun and jin are not married, sawyer seem content, hugo is lucky, and so on) and the slightly different events on the plane.
If the bomb had actually gone off, the losties would be all dead in the 2007 timeline, and the barracks would have been razed in the alternative timeline. also an explosion even a big one would not 'sink' an island, would just make a crater and leave the entire area a radioactive wasteland for quite a while (so no thrivin underwater life in 30 years).
Either the bomb failed to go off outright (because it was a dud after all these years or because the magnetic field from the anomaly completely messed up the wiring, besides, can you even trigger a nuclear reaction banging a rock on the casing?) or 'the accident' happened just before it could go off
Remember they brought Jack into the back room at LAX (where he met Locke) and told him they lost the casket? He got all angry.
Edit: Oh I see what you're saying. Perhaps it was left in Aussie from the start. Good point, I didn't think of that.
This is tricky. Personally, I think the bomb did go off in some way. Short of a major coincidence, it really had to go off. What are the chances that a random time flash happened exactly when Juliet hit the bomb the 8th time (via lostpedia)? Short of "divine" intervention, there is very little chance the bomb didn't at least do something. Clearly it didn't take out the entire Island, but it is possible that it took out the electromagnetic energy at the Swan (a split second after Jack and co. were sent back to present day), perhaps leading to the events that submerged the Island. Without the magnetic energy, one might assume the Island loses some or all of it's powers - the power to heal, the power to hide the Island, the power to move the Island, etc. - which would put the Island in jeopardy, leaving 30 years for the "bad guys" to find a way to sink it. Just thinking and typing here, but something is definitely up.
I think I've got it. Miles said that Juliette said "it worked". I think the plane ride we saw last episode is the altered 2004--what should have happened if the plane hadn't crashed--and is now the "reality". And even tho they blew up the station,(and thus fixing the past/future/plane ride), they are still stuck in their own time line. It just wouldn't make sense for their consciences to all of a sudden forget everything and be zapped back to the plane ride, so they are on their own little tangent from "reality's" time-line.
no extraordinary coincidence.
the anomaly was 'misbehaving' and the accident was going to happen. we already know that from the original timeline. when jack brings jughead, the accident is in process, with the crew trying to react to it. In absence of the losties intervention this would have led to the hatch and the original timeline.
the arrival of jack juliet an the rest (and the shooting down of the original crew) changed how the accident was dealt with and could lead to the alternate reality. Juliet was just banging at the thing as the magnetic anomaly was building up, her hitting it the first, second, eight or 23rd time doesn't seem particularly significant in term of coincidences (other than 8 being one of the numbers, but this is more of an easter egg).
So i think that the flash happened before the bomb wen off (if it went off), thus all of them are still alive in 2007.
The bomb could have gone off right after the flash, but as I mentioned i don't think that would have sunk the island, but it would have distroyed the wooden barrack nearby, and made the area a nuclear wasteland.
but i suppose it could be that the accident and the explosion somehow neutralize each other and so either right there or later on when they try to move it, the island sinks.
While there is no assurance that the casket was on the plane, the alternative would be that the casket was never loaded in Australia. After all, why would Jack be upset about not having the casket if it wasn't supposed to be on the plane.
Looking at the chance that the casket was never loaded, that would presume that the Juliet effort led to changes occurring before the flight. From what we see on the plane (at least without knowing subconscious thought), Hugo's life and the island's location are different. Everybody/thing else is still the same, and people retained their original motivation. The island, as we know, is now underwater. Hugo, I don't get.
Hugo's original motivation for going to the island was to reverse his bad luck as a result of the numbers. Now, I don't know. He claims he is lucky, but that may be a facade. If it is the truth, then we have a second confirmation that the preflight changes occurred. If a facade, then we had the casket as the only change from the original pre-815 timeline.
Therefore, the casket was on the plane.
Just don't get me started on the magical appearing-disappearing Desmond on the plane problem.
I think the explanation for Hugo being on the plane back to L.A. in the Flash-sideways time line is that he was shooting a commercial for the restaurant chain he owns. I know that doesn't explain a lot, but come on now this is LOST we are talking about here.
I definitely think that everyone is a little different (from before the flight) in the alternate timeline. For example, Jin and Sun aren't married (the security woman at the airport calls her Mrs. Paik), Shannon isn't there, etc. I thought at first that because of the Island issues (from the bomb), Jacob was unable to visit the people on Oceanic 815 (assuming he visited more than who we saw in 'The Incident"), but I quickly decided against that, as Hurley was visited AFTER he went to the Island.
I think the explanation for Hugo being on the plane back to L.A. in the Flash-sideways time line is that he was shooting a commercial for the restaurant chain he owns. I know that doesn't explain a lot, but come on now this is LOST we are talking about here.
Agreed. This makes perfect sense.
there are lots of changes from the original pre-815 timeline. but i don't think the casket was necessarily one of them. I think that it was loaded on the plane, and either it 'disappeared during the turbulence, or was misplaced on arrival (i think the former).
some changes: desmond is on the plane, he is apparently married; sun and jin are not married; shannon is happy in australia; eko is not on the plane (yemi didn't end up on the island) nor are michael, walt and ana lucia; hugo is lucky, a celebrity (Dr. Azst recognizes him, noone knew him in the original timeline) and was shooting commercials, sawyers seems to have a completely different attitude around him (resolved his issues?)
I've been thinking about the Sayid/Jacob thing. Let's look at the series of events that happened involving them -
1) Sayid gets shot (S05)
2) Jacob Dies (S05)
3) Hurley sees Jacob (S06)
4) Jacob tells Hurley to bring Sayid to the Temple
5) Jacob's note from the Ankh is revealed
*at some point before this time, the water in the spring turns dark, a stark contrast from clear water that used to run in the spring*
Let's chat about this. The obvious answer here is that the water turned dark because Jacob, who is probably responsible for the healing powers on the Island, is dead. The dark water doesn't seem to heal, as Dogen cuts his hand and puts it in the water, but it continues to bleed.
6) Sayid is put in the water
7) Sayid "dies", Jack tries to save him with CPR, Kate tells him it's too late
*note: this is exactly how it went down when Ethan left Charlie hanging from that tree in the first season and Jack saved him after he was presumed dead*
8) After some time, Sayid regains consciousness
Here's the kicker - when Sayid wakes up, I seem to remember looking at the spring and noticing the water was clear again. If this is true (someone confirm/deny this if you remember), then there is a pretty good chance that Jacob is back, probably as Sayid.
This creates an interesting parallel that corresponds with one of the show's big messages - redemption. Sayid, a torturer and muderer, is an "evil man". He is also physically dark, and we all know the dark vs. light imagery that Lost loves. Sayid gave his life willingly to try and save the people on the Island. Now, Jacob has taken over his body. Sayid made the ultimate sacrifice and has really learned from his past mistakes, and now, as a reward, he is a host to the ultimate "good" force in the show.
I make a few assumptions here (Jacob is "good", Jacob is responsible for the Island's healing powers), but it gives you something to chew on before we find out exactly what's going on with these two.
1) Sayid gets shot (S05)
2) Jacob Dies (S05)
3) Hurley sees Jacob (S06)
4) Jacob tells Hurley to bring Sayid to the Temple
5) Jacob's note from the Ankh is revealed
*at some point before this time, the water in the spring turns dark, a stark contrast from clear water that used to run in the spring*
Let's chat about this. The obvious answer here is that the water turned dark because Jacob, who is probably responsible for the healing powers on the Island, is dead. The dark water doesn't seem to heal, as Dogen cuts his hand and puts it in the water, but it continues to bleed.
6) Sayid is put in the water
7) Sayid "dies", Jack tries to save him with CPR, Kate tells him it's too late
*note: this is exactly how it went down when Ethan left Charlie hanging from that tree in the first season and Jack saved him after he was presumed dead*
8) After some time, Sayid regains consciousness
Here's the kicker - when Sayid wakes up, I seem to remember looking at the spring and noticing the water was clear again. If this is true (someone confirm/deny this if you remember), then there is a pretty good chance that Jacob is back, probably as Sayid.
This creates an interesting parallel that corresponds with one of the show's big messages - redemption. Sayid, a torturer and muderer, is an "evil man". He is also physically dark, and we all know the dark vs. light imagery that Lost loves. Sayid gave his life willingly to try and save the people on the Island. Now, Jacob has taken over his body. Sayid made the ultimate sacrifice and has really learned from his past mistakes, and now, as a reward, he is a host to the ultimate "good" force in the show.
I make a few assumptions here (Jacob is "good", Jacob is responsible for the Island's healing powers), but it gives you something to chew on before we find out exactly what's going on with these two.
I watched it again on my computer and after Sayid wakes up/regains consciousness you don't get another look at the water...
And I don't think that Sayid's body has been taken over by Jacob because when Sayid says at the end "What happened?" that implies that he doesn't know what's going on and if Jacob were to have taken over his body, he would know that was happening.
What really gets me is why didn't Hurley tell anybody there was an ank in the guitar case. He knew it was in there.
Yesterday i was discussing the possibility of Jacob's nemesis being Set, the Egyptian God of Chaos and Darkness, and Jacob being Horus, Set's enemy. The two gods fought frequently.
Set had many wives; one was Tawaret, whose statue is seen on the island. She is the goddess of fertility.
A stretch here - in the mythology, Set loses and testicle in a fight with Horus. This therefore represent's the infertility of the desert, which Set represented. If we replace this 'desert' with the island, then the Egyptian myth of his losing a testicle may explain why people cannot give birth on the island. (except claire)
I was also curious about Adam and Eve.. what are your theories?
Set had many wives; one was Tawaret, whose statue is seen on the island. She is the goddess of fertility.
A stretch here - in the mythology, Set loses and testicle in a fight with Horus. This therefore represent's the infertility of the desert, which Set represented. If we replace this 'desert' with the island, then the Egyptian myth of his losing a testicle may explain why people cannot give birth on the island. (except claire)
I was also curious about Adam and Eve.. what are your theories?
and also... we haven't seen anybody take over someone's body yet.. I've seen a lot of people who still think Jacob's nemesis physically took over Locke's body.
Well if the theory that Locke's body in the coffin is indeed Locke then the nemesis doesn't physically take over the body because we see FLocke walk past the coffin with Locke's body inside.
sorry to correct you but boone and shannon have no blood relation. Shannon's mom married boone's dad but well after they were born. they are step brother and sister.
exactly. jacob's nemesis/flocke/unlocke/smoke monster only shapeshifts to assume the identity of Locke.
I am almost positive that this entity was responsible for all other 'hallucinations' like Dave, the spiders, the green bird, Kate's horse, Yemi, and Walt.
I know Yemi, Alex, and the spiders have been confirmed as apparitions of the Smoke Monster. (man in black)
I'm wondering whether Sayid is now playing the role that Lapidus was the "candidate" for.
And Locke/Flocke was wearing a white shirt, right?
This whole story may be less about good vs. evil and more about two other arbitrary POVs. Jacob's position vs. The Man in Black's position. Jacob sees human existence as progress. MiB sees it as a repeating, pointless cycle.
My head hurts.
EDIT: BTW, this is pretty cool.
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