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I understand that. What I don't understand is why he referred to the dead Locke in the casket as "some dead guy" when he has already seen him and knows what he looks like.

And it's not morning when sun and Frank talk outside the statue.

Not that it really matters but the exact quote from the pilot is "...brought me here along with the dead guy in the box"
 
This whole story may be less about good vs. evil and more about two other arbitrary POVs. Jacob's position vs. The Man in Black's position. Jacob sees human existence as progress. MiB sees it as a repeating, pointless cycle.

My head hurts.

EDIT: BTW, this is pretty cool.

mt

I agree. I think Lost shouldn't just have the characters be black or white (completely intentional pun :p). I mean they shouldn't be good or evil rather shades of grey. I don't think the Man in Black is inherently evil just views humans differently to how Jacob sees them. And how can Jacob be some form of good guy, because he was the one who brought Oceanic 815 to the island in the first place (a pretty sadistic action). What sort of good guy brings people to an island then essentially tortures them, and kills most people on the plane in the process.

And that video is pretty cool. If you watch it you can see how the new timeline (where they don't crash) is much brighter (a reference to the colour white, perhaps) and there are some changes which are documented in the comments at the linked website.

King Mook Mook
 
Okay, so remember when Locke fell into the well? (Season 5, I'm rewatching) Right before he moves the island; he meets Christian. Christian says "Remember Me John? You came and saw me in the log cabin. I told you you had to move the cabin." (Paraphrasing).


So, whoever's in the cabin (Smoke Monster/Jacob[I think it's smoke monster]) is actually all for Locke moving the island..and stopping the time flashes.
 
Okay, so remember when Locke fell into the well? (Season 5, I'm rewatching) Right before he moves the island; he meets Christian. Christian says "Remember Me John? You came and saw me in the log cabin. I told you you had to move the cabin." (Paraphrasing).


So, whoever's in the cabin (Smoke Monster/Jacob[I think it's smoke monster]) is actually all for Locke moving the island..and stopping the time flashes.

Can't be the smoke monster the cabin was surrounded by that ash stuff.

I agree. I think Lost shouldn't just have the characters be black or white (completely intentional pun :p). I mean they shouldn't be good or evil rather shades of grey. I don't think the Man in Black is inherently evil just views humans differently to how Jacob sees them. And how can Jacob be some form of good guy, because he was the one who brought Oceanic 815 to the island in the first place (a pretty sadistic action). What sort of good guy brings people to an island then essentially tortures them, and kills most people on the plane in the process.

And that video is pretty cool. If you watch it you can see how the new timeline (where they don't crash) is much brighter (a reference to the colour white, perhaps) and there are some changes which are documented in the comments at the linked website.

King Mook Mook

Most of the characters are actually better off after experiencing the island.
 
Most of the characters are actually better off after experiencing the island.

Except, of course, the ones who were killed.

One of the things that hooked me on Lost was in the first moments of the first episode when the guy gets sucked into the engine. Such an arresting scene, but I can't get him out of my mind. Is this thing really about the six or so characters that the show centers on? If so, then what about the engine guy, or Arzt, or even Shannon (she seemed pretty decent in her backstory), or the dozens of people on the plane who never get mentioned?

mt
 
New to this thread today (just finished reading every post, whew!) but I'm a huge LOSTie. My thoughts:

1) I too, will be pissed if it turns out to be religious in nature.

2) I remember seeing a break in the ash around Jacob's cabin. I believe that was when Ilana went there? Does that mean smokey was able to get into the cabin at some point? Or get out (as previously mentioned by fireshot91)?

3) This whole flashsideways thing really reminds me of Schroedinger's Cat experiment I studied in quantum physics. Apparently I'm not the only one, I saw and entry for it on lostpedia.

4) I also had a theory about this being a whole game. Jacob was killed so easily because he knew he was beat. Almost like a "check-mate" in chess. The O6 being "pawns" and doing the killing for the higher power--Jacob and the man in black? Then I saw that spanish promo posted earlier, damn my theories are prevalent.

...so many other things here sparked a comment but I'm lost for words right now. They'll keep coming as I think of them.

I know the exact point in which I was hooked on LOST. When Hurley saw his numbers on the hatch door. At that exact point, it was like love at first sight. What about you?
 
I honestly could not get into this show, I watched the better part of Season 1 and didn't even finish it. I might pick it up again though, but overall I felt the show was a bit too fake.
 
Okay, my theory (As well as your folks') of Fake Locke being the Smoke Monster is further proven, and we sort of knew about it before Season 6 :p.


In Season 5, when Ben returns to his house to call the Smoke Monster, Locke is with him. When he goes inside and drains the water, and comes out, he asks Sun where Locke went, and Sun replied with a "He said he had something to do"

Then Locke comes out of the jungle (We were expecting the Smoke Monster), and Ben is like "I can just summon it; I don't know where it is". Locke replies with a "I do."
 
I know the exact point in which I was hooked on LOST. When Hurley saw his numbers on the hatch door. At that exact point, it was like love at first sight. What about you?
For me it was when Jin the enforcer was putting the muscle on someone and I noticed Hurley's lottery win on the TV news in the background. That's when I realized that we needed to study details carefully for clues and that the show would reveal surprising links between the characters.
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How I got hooked. Really.

I watched it once 3 or 4 years ago and noticed Kate was the girl from those 1-800 dating services commercials so I had to watch it again to be sure and then I got hooked on it.:D
 
How I got hooked. Really.

I watched it once 3 or 4 years ago and noticed Kate was the girl from those 1-800 dating services commercials so I had to watch it again to be sure and then I got hooked on it.:D

Really? I didn't know she did that? I'll have to look for one of those.
 
Really? I didn't know she did that? I'll have to look for one of those.

From Wiki :

Lilly was discovered on the streets of Kelowna, British Columbia, by Ford modeling agency. Although she initially decided to pass on a modeling career, she went ahead and signed with Ford anyway, to help pay for her University of British Columbia tuition and expenses. Despite being signed to Ford Models, she was never actually a fashion model, working instead with their acting branch.[5]

She was previously featured in several provocative television commercials for LiveLinks Chatline, a service billed as the "best place to meet local singles for dating, friendship, or phone chat"; her image is still used to promote the service. She also appeared on G4's Judgment Day. She appeared uncredited in the 2003 film Freddy vs. Jason as a high-school girl leaning against a locker, and in several episodes of Smallville as an extra. She also had a guest appearance on the ABC supernatural horror series Kingdom Hospital (2004). Lilly's first speaking role was on Lost.[1] She also appeared in the 2003 teenager film The Lizzie McGuire Movie as an (uncredited) Italian police officer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lsCPhJrAlc&NR=1
 
Here's one of the few Blogs I read about the show.

He has a little insight and a lot of guesswork going on, but he has a few details about obscure (and sometimes not) book references from the show that I always find fascinating.

EW LOST Blog
 
From Wiki :

Lilly was discovered on the streets of Kelowna, British Columbia, by Ford modeling agency. Although she initially decided to pass on a modeling career, she went ahead and signed with Ford anyway, to help pay for her University of British Columbia tuition and expenses. Despite being signed to Ford Models, she was never actually a fashion model, working instead with their acting branch.[5]

She was previously featured in several provocative television commercials for LiveLinks Chatline, a service billed as the "best place to meet local singles for dating, friendship, or phone chat"; her image is still used to promote the service. She also appeared on G4's Judgment Day. She appeared uncredited in the 2003 film Freddy vs. Jason as a high-school girl leaning against a locker, and in several episodes of Smallville as an extra. She also had a guest appearance on the ABC supernatural horror series Kingdom Hospital (2004). Lilly's first speaking role was on Lost.[1] She also appeared in the 2003 teenager film The Lizzie McGuire Movie as an (uncredited) Italian police officer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lsCPhJrAlc&NR=1

Interesting. We have seen her recently on the Covergirl commercials and now we can't look at 'Kate' the same.
 
I know the exact point in which I was hooked on LOST. When Hurley saw his numbers on the hatch door. At that exact point, it was like love at first sight. What about you?
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The bomb could have gone off right after the flash, but as I mentioned i don't think that would have sunk the island, but it would have distroyed the wooden barrack nearby, and made the area a nuclear wasteland.

but i suppose it could be that the accident and the explosion somehow neutralize each other and so either right there or later on when they try to move it, the island sinks.

The 'wooden barrack'...or 'New Otherton' as some call it, was sufficiently far enough away from the Swan Hatch site (other side of the mountainous island...maybe 5-10 miles away?) to prevent any issues from a nuclear blast, especially one which occured sub-terranean....even if it is/was only 50 or so feet down. That ground will have absorbed a lot of that energy, plus...the nuclear componant was only a portion of the Jughead H-Bomb, so don't compare the blast to those tests you see on those newsreels from the 50s. I mean, How much nuclear material could have possibly been in that bomb fragment? My guess is that portion of Jughead was probably even weaker than the A-Bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima...plus it was detonated (we assume it was detonated) below ground.


If anything, I would have to agree that the apparant collapse of the island was more a result of the anomaly or an interaction with the anomaly.
 
The 'wooden barrack'...or 'New Otherton' as some call it, was sufficiently far enough away from the Swan Hatch site (other side of the mountainous island...maybe 5-10 miles away?) to prevent any issues from a nuclear blast, especially one which occured sub-terranean....even if it is/was only 50 or so feet down. That ground will have absorbed a lot of that energy, plus...the nuclear componant was only a portion of the Jughead H-Bomb, so don't compare the blast to those tests you see on those newsreels from the 50s. I mean, How much nuclear material could have possibly been in that bomb fragment? My guess is that portion of Jughead was probably even weaker than the A-Bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima...plus it was detonated (we assume it was detonated) below ground.


If anything, I would have to agree that the apparant collapse of the island was more a result of the anomaly or an interaction with the anomaly.

Yes, come to think of it, the bomb went off so far underground that it very well could have sank the Island by eliminating it's core (picture starting a game of jenga by pulling the pieces farthest to the bottom first). This is probably the most obvious theory, which means it is probably wrong.

I wish we could get a geologist to back this claim up, but logically, to someone with no experience in the subject, it COULD work! :cool:
 
Yes, come to think of it, the bomb went off so far underground that it very well could have sank the Island by eliminating it's core (picture starting a game of jenga by pulling the pieces farthest to the bottom first). This is probably the most obvious theory, which means it is probably wrong.

I wish we could get a geologist to back this claim up, but logically, to someone with no experience in the subject, it COULD work! :cool:

I'm pretty sure the bomb didn't sink the island. We still have no idea what the magnetic anomoly that the swan station was designed to dissapate is.
 
I know the exact point in which I was hooked on LOST. When Hurley saw his numbers on the hatch door. At that exact point, it was like love at first sight. What about you?

The girlfriend would only come over to my place if she could watch Lost. It was the series 1 finale so I thought what the heck. Until this point I didn't care about it at all.
For some reason the whole hatch thing just stuck to me instantly. I had only seen this thing for an hour or so and already wanted to know more. Downloaded (since we're in the UK) what had aired of series 2 (8 eps?) and that was that. Bought the series 1 boxset just to play catchup.

Oddly enough after pleading with me to watch Lost my girlfriend gave up on it. Now I'm trying to get her into it.
 
got hooked several years ago in college, around the time season 3 was about to begin, a friend brought over season 1 and 2 and we did nothing for days but watch lost... ive been hooked since. It is my favorite tv show and I really dont want it to end (but know it has to, all good things do)... anyway, I was pretty stoked that at the end of season 5 I predicted that the man in black / new lock was the black smoke... also earlier in the series when the black smoke had gotten in lockes face and he told jack (i believe) "i looked the island in the eye" that there was something up with it and it was trying to see who was the most worthy person to take over.... it also examined echo but for whatever reason he was not chosen.

I sort of think that this season is exploring alternate universes, one where the island is intact, and one where is has sunk, for whatever reason (still unknown)... the part i find most interesting is that desmond was on the plane with jack in s6e1... why was he on it, where was he going? was he even really there?

and I have a theory that the turbulance they hit when flying over the island was christian in his coffin being teleported to the island somehow, since he has some deeper connection with it...

+where the hell is claire?!?

these are just some of my super scattered thoughts about the best show ive ever watched..
 
I just watched LA X Pt. 1 again and Juliet said " It didn't work". Did I miss something ?

Didn't people say she said it worked?

Miles said that she said it did.

Correct. When Sawyer was down with Juliet, she said it didn't work--she was assuming this since they were still all there. Then she must have had some sort of revelation and was about to tell Sawyer something just before she died.

Then when Miles and Sawyer were burying her body, it was Miles that said Juliet is saying "It worked."

Again, we don't know

1) What "it" is.
2) What changed Juliet's mind if she is talking about the bomb.
3) If Miles is really telling the truth. He has a history of lying about what the dead people are saying. Although I doubt this is the case.
 
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