Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights

[mstrze]

So, we now know that the Last Samurai guy is NOT a Richard-Alpert type and he is a mortal who is from current time, since he showed up, with his son, at the audition. To me, this kills any theory that he was an original Black Rock occupant. Without the island, he's just a regular guy. I don't think...without the island...that there would need to be any of these Others heading out into the world like Richard, Jacob and the MIB had done in the past. This particular Other was a recruit like most...nothing magical about him.

And Jack has a 14/15yo son!?!? Who saw that one coming. Is he from Boston? Jack said he could watch the Red Sox because he got the cable installed.

Not sure why Jin would lie about Aaron, but I guess I am glad he did. She would have/will kill Kate?!?! For protecting the son that Claire, herself, abandoned?!?!

Seems like theories of the MIB taking the form of Christian may be right on the money. I am thinking Claire's 'friend' has always been the MIB...whether it be Christian (whom we have seen he with) or Flocke.

And we now have a 'believable' reasoning behind the numbers. Plus I think Jack was meant to destroy the mirrors...Jacob knew how he would react and that's why he needed to go.

 

[Peace]

What struck me was Jacob telling Hugo that sometimes it takes sitting and staring at the ocean to know.

That's exactly what Jacob and MIB do. They sit on the beach and stare at the ocean.

I think Jacob/Jack have a lot in common.

 

[mscriv]

And we now have a 'believable' reasoning behind the numbers.

And what is that? How does knowing that the numbers are on the lighthouse dial give us any more information about them? We don't yet know how the puzzle pieces fit. Are the numbers significant because they point to the people or is it the other way around and are the people significant because of the number they were given?

 

[mstrze]

And what is that? How does knowing that the numbers are on the lighthouse dial give us any more information about them? We don't yet know how the puzzle pieces fit. Are the numbers significant because they point to the people or is it the other way around and are the people significant because of the number they were given?

They are the degree-values for the 'magic mirror'...each number is a discrete direction which points to a different candidate's home/location for distance-viewing.

I mean, it's real-world reason (even if very sci-fi fantasy) behind each person having a number. Those numbers just weren't 'random' per se. It answered that question for me at least.

 

[Lyle]

Pretty good episode. I wonder if Jack's son's mother (in the ALT) is Julie Bowen's character (whose name eludes me at the moment).

And was that lighthouse not just like something out of Myst or Riven? I've had that sensation before when watching "Lost" (e.g. with the Looking Glass station) but that was particularly Myst-y.

 

[Bostonaholic]

They are the degree-values for the 'magic mirror'...each number is a discrete direction which points to a different candidate's home/location for distance-viewing.

I mean, it's real-world reason (even if very sci-fi fantasy) behind each person having a number. Those numbers just weren't 'random' per se. It answered that question for me at least.

But it doesn't answer why the numbers were on the hatch, and all the other significant instances the numbers popped up.

 

[mstrze]

But it doesn't answer why the numbers were on the hatch, and all the other significant instances the numbers popped up.

I think it does...through Jacob's influence, the numbers had been 'publicized' ... on the radio broadcast, on the hatch...within various folks' lives...etc.

It's as if Jacob was calling out to the candidates, by using their numbers, through as many means as possible, to get them to come to the island.

 

[0098386]

If the island can move, then wouldn't the lighthouse and its angle/direction break?
Before Jack turned the lighthouse back I swear I could see the lighthouse (Elouise Hawkings building with the pendulum, or was it called the Lamp or something?) in the reflection. That whole scene was really well done. Sent shivers down my wee spine .

Was not expecting Claire to kill that guy! I was thinking "nah, it's Lost. They won't do anything too viol-" *SPLEWK*

 

[pilotError]

They are the degree-values for the 'magic mirror'...each number is a discrete direction which points to a different candidate's home/location for distance-viewing.

I mean, it's real-world reason (even if very sci-fi fantasy) behind each person having a number. Those numbers just weren't 'random' per se. It answered that question for me at least.

You do realize that 108 is the sum of all the numbers.

Which begs the question, who was at 108? Jacob was confident that they would find a way to the island. More hinting at a higher power being involved?

Again with the destiny. It's been pretty obvious for the last 2 or 3 episodes.

The "other" that Claire killed also said her memories were not right. Claire doesn't remember walking off. She still thinks someone stole her baby, again, much like Rouseau. At one point, she had to know she was changing since she asked Kate not to let Aaron come back to the island.

Jin told Claire her baby was 3 and she couldn't really grasp that. Rouseau also had an issue with her daughter being 17? when she finally did see her. Had she been living in the jungle all that time or did she also transport through time somehow? Did Rouseau know Smokey and do his bidding (to kill the others) as well?

Jacob knows that something bad is going to go down at the temple, yet he asked Samurai guy to keep everyone there for "their" protection. Kate and Sawyer walked off on there own, Jin has no clue (well maybe now he does), and Jacob saved Hurley and Jack. Does this mean that all the unchosen others are destined to die or join Flocke?

Like someone mentioned before, I suspect we are only going to get a few of the big answers out of this show before the end, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Bostonaholic]

If the island can move, then wouldn't the lighthouse and its angle/direction break?
Before Jack turned the lighthouse back I swear I could see the lighthouse (Elouise Hawkings building with the pendulum, or was it called the Lamp or something?) in the reflection. That whole scene was really well done. Sent shivers down my wee spine .

Was not expecting Claire to kill that guy! I was thinking "nah, it's Lost. They won't do anything too viol-" *SPLEWK*

I also thought I saw the peak of The Lamp Post too.

 

[mstrze]

You do realize that 108 is the sum of all the numbers.

Which begs the question, who was at 108? Jacob was confident that they would find a way to the island. More hinting at a higher power being involved?

The name listed on the wheel at 108 degrees was WALLACE...and it was crossed out.

I think perhaps Jacob chose that number due to its significance as a total of the numbers...the 108 minutes in the hatch...etc. AND as a number that would require Hurley to spin the wheel quite a bit so that he was sure that Jack would notice the changing buildings and such within the mirror...then making him want to see what was at the position marked with his name.

This site is great for screen grabs:

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

EDIT: Just noticed on the screencaps that AUSTEN (Kate) is listed and NOT crossed off...at position 51!!!!

 

[ViciousShadow21]

Pretty good episode. I wonder if Jack's son's mother (in the ALT) is Julie Bowen's character (whose name eludes me at the moment).

Sarah i believe.

if that is true, i wonder if they were together for a longer period of time or if she just pregnant earlier in their relationship because that kid is pretty old (16 or 17 possibly)? originally they broke up the night jack hooked up with that hot italian chic.

ahhh im doing it again. i told myself i wouldnt think to hard about this anymore haha. oh well im going to go the simple root and say we have know ******* clue what is going to on in this alt timeline

 

[0098386]

I don't have last series to hand, but could that be The Lamp Post? Lostpedia has no mention of it. There was also some kind of Pagoda-looking building too.

 

[Surely]

Obviously Claire and Kate will have a confrontation about Aaron next week (or the week after?). Either they'll fight, or they'll bathe each other in the river.... I'm hoping for scenario #2......

Sucks that Claire killed BLT.....

I'm guessing the reason that Sawyer was able to see the kid (and Richard couldn't) is because Sawyer is a candidate.

I have a continuity question:

How did Locke survive the fall from the 8 story window in the flash-sideways? Didn't he live because Jacob touched him and brought him back to life right after the fall in the original reality?

Maybe in the flash-sideways storyline, he never fell out of the window? Maybe he's paralyzed for another reason? When he and Helen were speaking about their wedding (while Locke was in the tub), she mentioned "Let's just get my parents and your dad..." In the original storyline, it is Locke's dad that pushed him out the window. Listening to what Helen said, I doubt Locke and his father would be in good standing if he had pushed him out a window and doubtful Helen would invite him to their wedding.

According to the recap episode (enhanced episode) that they showed before the new episode last night, they said that the reason that Locke is in his wheelchair (and they were talking about the flash-sideways, didn't-crash-on-the-island Locke) is because "As seen in Season 3 episode The Man From Tallahassee, Locke was pushed out of a window by his father". I just rewatched the beginning of the episode, and that is what it said as he was getting out of his car (before he fell on his lawn). They were talking about this version of Locke. The window push still happened. I know that Helen said: "Let's just get my parents and your dad...", but to me, that didn't make sense because of the description at the bottom of the screen.

So how did Locke survive without Jacob bringing him back to life? Did Jacob even bring him back to life when he touched him, or did he merely touch him and woke him up?

 

[mstrze]

The window push still happened. I know that Helen said: "Let's just get my parents and your dad...", but to me, that didn't make sense because of the description at the bottom of the screen.

So how did Locke survive without Jacob bringing him back to life? Did Jacob even bring him back to life when he touched him, or did he merely touch him and woke him up?

Locke...both current and sideways version...has always kept things from Helen. It would not shock me if this was another manifestation of that. He may have mentioned his father, but never went into any detail about what a **** he was.

 

[Surely]

Locke...both current and sideways version...has always kept things from Helen. It would not shock me if this was another manifestation of that. He may have mentioned his father, but never went into any detail about what a **** he was.

I agree with that. My problem isn't that Helen mentioned his father, it's that Locke survived the fall somehow.

 

[Peace]

I can't find a pic of the outside of the Lamp Post but here is a diagram of it.

If you add up the lines there are 36. Or 360 degrees. Same as in the Lighthouse.

I also believe Jacob allowed Jack to destroy it to keep Smokey/FLocke ON the island. Or to keep others from leaving.

Here's a pic of the Church.

Inside the Lamp Post :

 

[mstrze]

I agree with that. My problem isn't that Helen mentioned his father, it's that Locke survived the fall somehow.

I thought he survived the fall without Jacob intervention. I guess I never saw anything supernatural in it. He did fall on grass and he DID lose the use of his legs because of it.

When I saw Jacob touch him last season, I never assumed that's what saved him.

 

[Surely]

I thought he survived the fall without Jacob intervention. I guess I never saw anything supernatural in it. He did fall on grass and he DID lose the use of his legs because of it.

When I saw Jacob touch him last season, I never assumed that's what saved him.

I doubt that grass could save someone from a hard 8 story fall. After it happened, they (Locke, his father) didn't understand why Locke survived the fall. No one said that it was because he landed on grass. Locke attributed it a miracle, IIRC.

Most people have been saying (and said when that scene happened) that Jacob has healing powers and when he touched Locke, he brought him back to life.

 

[mscriv]

Throughout history people have survived high falls so I don't really see the need to assume intervention by Jacob in "bringing him back to life". Of course only the writers know what they intend it to be, but when skydivers have survived jumps from thousands of feet up it's not unrealistic to believe that someone could survive such a fall. And calling something extraordinary a miracle is quite common vernacular.

 

[Surely]

Let's see what others think about this.

Clearly you remember it one way, and I remember it another. As I remember, when we saw the scene of Jacob touching Locke after the fall, the consensus was that Jacob brought him back to life with his touch so that he could make it to the island.

Perhaps the touch was simply a touch, and Locke coincidentally just woke up at that exact moment.

Hopefully the writers try to explain all of this.

 

[mscriv]

Hopefully the writers try to explain all of this.

I'm not holding my breath. If so I'd have passed out long ago.

 

[mstrze]

My first though when I saw that church in the mirror was that it was the church where Saywer's parents' funeral was held....the same church where Jacob met James Ford/Sawyer.

Don't know exactly what it actually is, but it looks more like a wood frame church in the mirror while the lamppost church looks to be a solid-stone, more gothic structure.

 

[barr08]

Let's see what others think about this.

Clearly you remember it one way, and I remember it another. As I remember, when we saw the scene of Jacob touching Locke after the fall, the consensus was that Jacob brought him back to life with his touch so that he could make it to the island.

Perhaps the touch was simply a touch, and Locke coincidentally just woke up at that exact moment.

Hopefully the writers try to explain all of this.

I think, for now, it's open to interpretation.

Here's a potential third option - in the real timeline, Locke's 8 story fall did NOT paralyze him, Jacob did when he touched him. Locke needed to spend the 4 years in a wheelchair to prepare himself mentally and emotionally for what he was meant to do on the Island. Jacob reversed what he did to Locke when he arrived at the Island on 815, which in turn convinced Locke that the Island was special, and so on.

I know this is highly unlikely, but the point is that through it's themes and story lines, Lost has set a stage with limitless possibilties, so don't close your mind to the completely unexpected.

 

[mscriv]

^^^ Barr08, what are you doing! Stop it, my head hurts enough already!