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Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights

I'm a little confused, too. Jacob killed his brother, the Man in Black (Adam). So who is the guy we keep seeing who took over Locke's body and changes into the smoke monster. Is it supposed to be his ghost? How did Jacob's mother fill in an entire well and wipe out a whole village by herself?

Also, just to clear up a misconception from a previous post or two, Jacob and his brother were born on the island, and those shipwrecked people didn't become the others, they were actually wiped out by Jacob's mother.
 
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I'm a little confused, too. Jacob killed his brother, the Man in Black (Adam). So who is the guy we keep seeing who took over Locke's body and changes into the smoke monster. Is it supposed to be his ghost? How did Jacob's mother fill in an entire well and wipe out a whole village by herself?

Also, just to clear up a misconception from a previous post or two, Jacob and his brother were born on the island, and those shipwrecked people didn't become the others, they were actually wiped out by Jacob's mother.
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You're right they were born on the island but weren't conceived on the island. Nobody has gotten pregnant on the island and had the child from what I can remember. The Others scenario is more like a never ending circle of The Others. They aren't The Others that are associated with Jack's group. Hopefully I am making some kind of sense :p
 
MIB may not be the good guy. Keep in mind he killed his fake mother before Jacob killed him. I'm also guessing since smokie can take the form of dead people on the island the very first person he took the form of was himself. The MIB.
His fake mother did say he was "special".

Also I think when Jacob tossed him into the golden water he was re-born. So to speak. The mother said it was life,death and rebirth or rejuvenation.

And he's been trying to get off the island ever since.
 
Yes, when MiB went into the cave, his soul became the Smoke Monster. He no longer needed his body.

When MiB killed his mother, he did it before she spoke to him, and she thanked him for killing her so she could finally rest (earlier on in the episode, she told Jacob she was tired). This is the same rule that applies to MiB/FLocke now..... No one can kill him if he speaks to them first.

I think that Mother once went inside the cave and was a smoke monster herself. I think that's how she killed all those people and torched the village.
 
It seems like the island itself has no real problem with people living on it but they can't leave once they're there. Unless they're dead.
I agree that the fake mother once went into the cave and became a smoke monster. Flocke did say he had a crazy mother.
 
I also find it interesting that MiB's mother told MiB that he is special, and John Locke was also told that he was special. Now MiB is FLocke.


Did anyone else find the flashback of Jack, Kate and Locke with the mummies intrusive? Was it really necessary for them to stick that flashback in there? It's not like they haven't talked about the mummies at all since Season 1- Jack and Hurley went there earlier this season. It seemed like it was put in there for the casual viewer.
 
i used to be one of those hard core critics of lost and used to get all pissed off when episodes didnt go my way. but then i realized that i should cut the people of LOST some slack. the reason is that as we approaching the end, the story is narrowing to their own vision. Because of this fans of the show who had an idea in their head of how the show should or could end is not coming to fruition. This makes their job daunting. So many people love this show and are emotionally invested in it that is impossible to please everyone. All that we can ask is that they try their best and i believe they are especially after this episode.

Personally the show is not going the way i expected at all. So I've decided to just go along for the ride. Their...we'll call it vision...is the one that got ALL of us so involved in the first place. If you dont like the way its going then either stop watching or come up with your own ending that satisfies you. Otherwise sit back, relax, and enjoy the final two episodes and realize its just a TV show and not the answer to life.
 
So Im assuming it was the mother that killed the shipwrecked villagers, but was she a smoke monster also? I cant buy the fact that one normal human woman could destroy a village and kill all of those people, AND fill in the well.
 
I was telling my dad about the two stones they found with the skeletons then they showed it. It did feel really out of place. I dont think they've ever showed footage like that as a flash<forwards/backwards/sideways/upside down>.
 
Huzzah they explained the stones! They didn't really answer much. There were hints at them being brothers (Esau and Jacob), they just explained how the smoke monster came to be and the islands "heart". I wonder why they cut back to the episode from the first series regarding the stones, they've never done that before.

Not sure what to make of it. Probably should have been played earlier in the series rather than the 3rd final episode.
 
First of all - to those who want all the questions answered or you'll be dissapointed - get ready to be dissapointed. Why would you want everything answered anyway? That's part of what is special about this show (and about life in general). We never have all the answers to anything! There are always questions and unexplained issues. (Rant over)
I also felt the flashback to Jack, Kate and Locke was an intrusion. It violated the spirit of the show.
Also agree that the fake mom was a smoke monster.
Will LOST end the way I want it to? Probably not - but I have enjoyed every minute of it nonetheless.
 
Not really sure what to say about this episode.

In general, I've been taking a "sit back, relax and enjoy the ride" attitude. I'm glad I did, because while the episode was entertaining, it wasn't very good. They spent a lot of time on the teen Jacob and MIB, both of who fumbled through their scenes and really didn't give us much (especially emotional attachment).

I think it was meant to be more spiritual than it came off, but I was happy we learned about Adam and Eve, smokeys origins, and what the deal is with the island.

Smokey as a Jeanie in a bottle (so to speak) is about the most plausable explanation I've heard so far, but he doesn't grant wishes, just promises and death. It's funny that MIB took his fake mom's words and came to the same conclusion that she did while living in the village. “They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.” I guess we find that he is just like the fake mother. He used the villagers as a means to an end.

The question is was she smokey (occupying the sould of the cave)? We could also bring up the nature vs nurture argument, but that would really suck up more time than its worth.

Jacob somehow sees it differently and has faith in humanity.

The mother mentions there is only one protector. Is that protector MIB? Is he the one that kills, unknowingly protecting life in the process and is the true reason he can't leave? If he does, man will gain the "secret of life" and go on to fight, destroy and corrupt it, thus ending all life?

If so, I guess the next big question is why Jacob is still there (well he's dead now), but he said its because it's his home. Did he do it just to save humanity from itself by keeping MIB on the island? Did the fake mom save them the fate of living alone and having each other for eternity (or until someone kills them)? We know Jacob could leave the island, but chose to stay. Is MIB's judgement so short sighted that he can't see the true nature of the island, or is he the spirit of death itself.

There's so many unanswered questions they could have addressed here, why these folks are brought to the island being the big one. I'm a little dissapointed they didn't do more with the episode, since there are so few left.
 
So after lat night's episode, I really don't see the struggle as good vs. evil. No way the MiB is evil. His mother was murdered, wiped out his people, lied to him, etc. MiB is not evil. OTOH, Jacob is not good. He is scared, follows commands blindly, and murdered his brother.

All along, I thought there was some biblical type story going on, but now I'm convinced this isn't the case.
 
Did anyone else catch the fake mother telling the real mother "If there are others on the island, I will find them"? Sounded very smokey-esque. Maked me think she was a smoke monster too.... but she did have a body that was put in the cave, so i think that proves she was not.
 
Tilpots said:
So after lat night's episode, I really don't see the struggle as good vs. evil. No way the MiB is evil. His mother was murdered, wiped out his people, lied to him, etc. MiB is not evil. OTOH, Jacob is not good. He is scared, follows commands blindly, and murdered his brother.

All along, I thought there was some biblical type story going on, but now I'm convinced this isn't the case.
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Yes, for awhile this season I thought they were going to pull a switcheroo and reveal that the MiB is the "good guy" and Jacob is in fact the "bad guy", but I think it's now more clear than ever that it's not a simple good versus evil story.

There was a lot of Biblical symbolism in this episode. The way fake mom warned the boys about the cave with the light was reminiscent of how God warned Adam and Eve about the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden. When fake mom told Jacob to drink from the cup (when she was handing off responsibility for the island to him), and his reluctance to do so, brought to mind Jesus' words, "My Father, let this cup pass from me."

It was a weak episode to be sure, but they did provide a more-or-less plausible way to explain the early history of the island. As much explanation as we're probably going to get. ;)
 
Now that we know the boy running around the woods is the young Jacob. What's his function ?

And the MIB being a good guy. There seems to be a parallel between him and Kate. Kate killed her abusive father-in-law. MIB killed his abusive mother. I say she was abusive because it appears she's a smokie and has been killing people on the island yet she knew people lived on the other side and did nothing to them.

I'm starting to think that smokie is neither good or evil. Just protecting the island from those that would do harm.

Like Widmore.

As far as Jacob staying on the island. I think it's his job to keep his brother on it for protection.
 
^^^^^Smokie isn't protecting the Island- he wants to get off the Island.

When Smokie was their mother, she protected the Island. Now that Smokie is MiB, he wants nothing to do with the Island, and wants to leave.

Peace said:
Now that we know the boy running around the woods is the young Jacob. What's his function ?
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He's dead. It's how Jacob is appearing to MiB. Remember when they were teenagers, and MiB saw their dead mother behind Jacob, but Jacob didn't see her?

In an earlier episode, MiB was surprised that Sawyer saw dead-young-Jacob, because he thought that he was the only one who could see him.

I'm sure that ghost-Jacob will have a function, but yeah, I don't think we know just yet.

I pointed out before that it seems that the two times that we've seen the younger Jacob, he was aging. So maybe in the next couple of episodes, the MiB will see the grownup version of ghost-Jacob.

Peace said:
And the MIB being a good guy. There seems to be a parallel between him and Kate. Kate killed her abusive father-in-law. MIB killed his abusive mother. I say she was abusive because it appears she's a smokie and has been killing people on the island.
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I don't necessarily agree with this. I'm still not convinced that MiB is a good guy. I don't see a parallel between Kate's step-father and their mother. She wasn't abusive- she was trying to protect them in order to prepare them to become the new protectors of the Island. She killed the villagers to protect them, not to abuse them.



You're an EDIT machine!:p
 
Oh I agree smokie wants to get off the island but that doesn't mean he isn't the protector of it. It just means he doesn't want to be the protector. Since he became a smokie and lives forever. He's the protector. Like his mother. Jacob wasn't the "special" one. But since MIB wants to leave Jacob's job is to make sure "smokie" doesn't leave. Or stop protecting the island.

Also Mother gave Jacob a drink of the wine to keep him living or rejuvenating.

It would seem he has to drink that wine to stay alive since he's not a smokie.
 
Say what.. :eek:

Nicely done, very subtle indeed... I was thinking along the same line, seems like the writers are shaping things up for the finale and the characters /pieces are falling into place..
 
Peace said:
Oh I agree smokie wants to get off the island but that doesn't mean he isn't the protector of it. It just means he doesn't want to be the protector. Since he became a smokie and lives forever. He's the protector. Like his mother. Jacob wasn't the "special" one. But since MIB wants to leave Jacob's job is to make sure "smokie" doesn't leave. Or stop protecting the island.
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I don't agree with that explanation. Jacob is the protector because his mother made him the protector. She told him that it was supposed to be him the whole time, no matter how much she wanted it to be MiB.

Also Mother gave Jacob a drink of the wine to keep him living or rejuvenating.

It would seem he has to drink that wine to stay alive since he's not a smokie.
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We have not been given any information that would lead us to believe that Jacob has to drink that wine in order to keep living.

Richard was given the gift of everlasting life from Jacob's touch, and he didn't have to drink anything. I think that Jacob was given the gift of everlasting life from his mother in order to be able to be the protector. She did choose him. And now Jacob is in the process of choosing his successor.

She didn't want Jacob to go into the cave because she didn't want him to become a Smokie.... she did this to protect him because, her being one, she knows how bad it is to be one.

While Smokie is on the Island, he doesn't want to the Island to be destroyed. However, once he is off the Island, he won't care about it anymore. That isn't how a protector would behave.


themoonisdown09 said:
Maybe Sawyer was able to see dead-young-Jacob because he has the same "powers" as the MiB.
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That's possible.

Hurley can also see dead people, and Miles can talk to dead people.

How are they involved?
 
Peace said:
The obvious answer would be dead people see dead people.
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But because Jack etc can't see the dead folk, but can see Sawyer & Hurley etc...there must be some form of the living seeing the dead.

Nieval said:
seems like the writers are shaping things up for the finale and the characters /pieces are falling into place..
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With 1 episode left before the finale I should bloomin well hope they are piecing bits together for us :p
 
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