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So I really didnt see anywhere last night where we were plainly told that the mother was a smoke monster, although I do think it is implied by the total destrucion of the village.
 
Evangelline Lilly was on Fallon's show last night. She looked like she wore pajamas to his show with shoes that she wore the night before at Letterman's show.

What she said in response to Letterman's question about the ending is this: "It fits true to the LOST tradition."

Interesting...and doesn't seem like it's going to end well.
 
Heaps of stuff in Across The Sea.

Anyone notice the knife MIB used to kill mother?
Same knife Dogen gave Sayid to kill MIB.

Lots of information, getting set up for the end game.
Mother didn't give MIB the senet board game, another of her lies.

But she did know why you can't go into the glowing cave.....from experience.
She groomed the twins, one to take over from her and one to free her, she found her loophole.
 
Anyone notice the knife MIB used to kill mother?
Same knife Dogen gave Sayid to kill MIB.

...and given by MIB to Ricardo to kill Jacob.




ASIDE: Am I wrong, or did Ben stab Jacob after Jacob spoke with him? I seem to recall a bit of dialogue between them before he stabbed Jacob. Seems to go against the "don't let him speak to you" rule. :confused:
 
...and given by MIB to Ricardo to kill Jacob.




ASIDE: Am I wrong, or did Ben stab Jacob after Jacob spoke with him? I seem to recall a bit of dialogue between them before he stabbed Jacob. Seems to go against the "don't let him speak to you" rule. :confused:

Nope, there was no dialog. I've watched it again to be sure as well as others.
 
Nope, there was no dialog. I've watched it again to be sure as well as others.

I recall Ben speaking to Jacob, venting his frustrations and when he asked Jacob, "what about me?" Jacob replied, "what about you?" and then Ben stabbed him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VrKJGaNmTw

I'd say they both spoke, creating a dialog.

Is it possible that different rules of death apply to Jacob than MiB? Or could Jacob really be alive still since he was not actually killed because he and Ben spoke?
 
I recall Ben speaking to Jacob, venting his frustrations and when he asked Jacob, "what about me?" Jacob replied, "what about you?" and then Ben stabbed him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VrKJGaNmTw

I'd say they both spoke, creating a dialog.

Is it possible that different rules of death apply to Jacob than MiB? Or could Jacob really be alive still since he was not actually killed because he and Ben spoke?

You must be right. I read the lostpedia site and on Ben's page it does in fact state that he and Jacob conversed. I could have sworn I'd watched that scene again to check if Jacob had spoken to Ben first...

Anyway, I did notice however that the tapestry on the wall of Jacob's temple that Ben was admiring, is the same tapestry that we saw both Jacob and his fake mother putting together in this past episode.

I like the little details like this that the writers incorporate into each episode.
 
Mother didn't give MIB the senet board game, another of her lies.
What makes you think that she was lying about leaving the game for him to find?

I read somewhere (maybe here) the theory that she left it for him to find, and then asked him about it to see if he would lie to keep it a secret. That seemed like a plausible explanation of that scene to me.
 
I really enjoyed this episode. I want to know more about the light in the cave (Lostpedia calls it the Source). Fake Mom says that the Source is a physical manifestation of life, death and rebirth. I wonder if this is the source of life, death and rebirth for the whole world (as opposed to just the Island). In that case, protecting the Island really would be saving the world. It's possible that life exists because of this source, and the Island was created to house it. If humans are allowed to access the Source, they would use it up, manipulate it like any other natural resource - this fits well with LOSTs social commentary about human nature. If the source were to go out, then life as we know it would cease to exist.

Basically what I'm thinking is that there are some really cool directions they can take this in, with real world implications (finally).

EDIT: ooohhh, what did the nuclear bomb do to the Source in the FST? How did it impact the real world? What conclusions can we draw from the FST that would help us figure out the importance the Source had to the real world? There's got to be something there! I now have something to think about all day haha

Did anyone else find the flashback of Jack, Kate and Locke with the mummies intrusive? Was it really necessary for them to stick that flashback in there? It's not like they haven't talked about the mummies at all since Season 1- Jack and Hurley went there earlier this season. It seemed like it was put in there for the casual viewer.

Totally agreed. They don't need to slap us in the face with this stuff.

Well, other than you guys mentioning it, I wouldn't have known about that scene from Season 1. I don't think most people watch these shows 5 times and go to the wiki page.

Why shouldn't the producers throw in a few subtle events for the die-hard fans?

I pointed out before that it seems that the two times that we've seen the younger Jacob, he was aging. So maybe in the next couple of episodes, the MiB will see the grownup version of ghost-Jacob.

I'm pretty sure that the second boy we saw was the young MiB, not an older version of young Jacob.
 
I can't shake the feeling that what we are seeing is that everything changed or got messed up with the birth of Jacob and MIB. Mom was looking for someone to be her "candidate" and finding a pregnant woman became the ideal solution. But wait, there wasn't supposed to be two children! Remember her look of shock when she realized there was another baby coming. Her love for both of them made it difficult to know what to do or how to proceed. If she was the island's protector and she presumably was chosen by someone before her, then she fully knew that two people were not needed for the job. This fits nicely with the theme of choices vs. destiny as well as keeping the parental theme strong as well.

While her intentions may have been to raise them both to be island protectors I don't see any way that she could have known that MIB would end up becoming the smoke monster. Putting MIB in the cave was Jacob's decision not hers. It seems like the free will choices of mother, MIB, and Jacob have forever changed what presumably was a natural progression of candidate succession and the results are that the island is now at the bottom of the sea where it is safe without the need of a protector/candidate. So despite seeming mistakes along the way the ultimate goal of protecting the island was accomplished. Some would call that destiny. Hmmm??!!?
 
Did anyone else feel like the writers were rebuking everyone's theories when the real mother was asking the fake mother all the questions and she replied- "Every answer I give will lead to a new question".

I have a feeling no one will be satisfied with the ending of LOST.
 
What really annoyed me was that the actual mother never named MIB. And I don't think the fake mother did either (At least, nobody ever called him by his name, other than him).

When Jacob killed MIB and brought him to the cave with the mother, I automatically thought of the skeletons in Season 1. They didn't really NEED to put the flashback in it, but I didn't mind it.

The seasons wrapping up, somewhat..


I want to know what exactly was down there in the LIGHT, other than a waterfall. I mean, just causing a wheel to turn from water/light won't really teleport him off the island will it? Oh wait..no, that's like when Ben turned the wheel in (Season 3?) and moved the island. He got teleported off. Same with Locke in Season 4? or 5?


Also, whoever wrote up there that with Jacob isn't the same rules for killing him (As in, you can't let him speak) isn't completely right. When Ricardo was told by MIB to kill the man on the beach, he said to do it without letting him talk to you. And Ricardo let Jacob talk to him, and thus, he couldn't kill him.
 
Anyone notice the knife MIB used to kill mother?
Same knife Dogen gave Sayid to kill MIB.
They just reuse the props to save money. After 6 seasons they've probably gone over their budget.
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Anyone noticed that right after the MIB fell down the water inside, the light faded out from the cave? Could the light be now, either loose or entrapped, within the smoke and that's why Jacob wouldn't let it leave?
 
Anyone noticed that right after the MIB fell down the water inside, the light faded out from the cave? Could the light be now, either loose or entrapped, within the smoke and that's why Jacob wouldn't let it leave?

Yea! I noticed it but I didn't think that would be why he has to stay on the island. Good call. I can see that being the reason.

Although the light is still present. The donkey wheel still causes an electromagnetic event. Maybe smokie just absorbed a single pocket of it?
 
What really annoyed me was that the actual mother never named MIB. And I don't think the fake mother did either (At least, nobody ever called him by his name, other than him).

Most likely a very intentional annoyance... I wonder if the fact that he doesn't have a name or whatever his unrevealed name is, will ever become important...?
 
I'm gonna guess his name will be John. Jacob translates into Jack doesn't it ? Or Jack's a slang version of Jacob.

Which btw so is John.

John and Jack are both slang words for Jacob.

And as far as the electromagnetic well the MIB was thrown down. He wants to leave the island. but in order to do that he must first get out of the well ALIVE. He was put in it dead so he has to go back to being alive before he can leave the island. He has to be able to
leave the well in human form ALIVE.

Enter Desmond.
 
They just reuse the props to save money. After 6 seasons they've probably gone over their budget.
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Mmm, no. The show has been great with actually showing new stuff. This is not a prop that is reused, it is just a knife that is always used to kill jacob or MIB.
 
I could've sworn his name was Esau. I don't know where I saw that in the show though.

Jacob and Esau are twin brothers in the Bible. Esau was the eldest and Jacob popped out holding Esau's ankle. You can read more about their story here, but as of right now, I don't see any connection with Lost. Maybe that'll change, but I doubt it. I don't think MiB has ever been named.

And as far as the electromagnetic well the MIB was thrown down. He wants to leave the island. but in order to do that he must first get out of the well ALIVE. He was put in it dead so he has to go back to being alive before he can leave the island. He has to be able to
leave the well in human form ALIVE.

Enter Desmond.

Not following you here. The MiB came out of the well alive, then got killed by Jacob, who then put him in the cave with FMom. Desmond's possibly still in the well, but I'm not sure how you're connecting those dots?
 
Sorry. When I said well I was referring to the original cave that had water flowing into it. The one Jacob tossed the MIB into. I called it a well because when the MIB went floating in the stream into the cave he was sucked down into what I thought could have been a well.

I think that's the spot Widmore is looking for.
 
MIB doesn't appear evil - yes, he killed Jacob (via Ben), but to be fair, Jacob did kill him, too. I'd want revenge too.

I wonder if they bring Jacob back by throwing his body in to the Source.
 
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