I think you missed that it was Desmond calling Jack and pretending to be someone from Oceanic.
They didn't find the casket.
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Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights
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I think you missed that it was Desmond calling Jack and pretending to be someone from Oceanic.
They didn't find the casket.
I'd imagine by flooding it.
I hope we find out at some point what Widmore had in store for the island. I actually don't know what to think about it, that was a rollercoaster of an episode!
Nice accent Des used as well.
What do you mean "if the casket was taken to the island"? The island is underwater/non-existent in this timeline.
GREAT episode. Wow, I am still blown away.
I love how the crossed off candidates only means Jacob didn't think they would want to / be able to do the job, and not that they couldn't do the job. 'The job is yours if you want it' was a great little line.
I love how in the FST, John and Jack had the same talk about destiny that they had been having all through seasons 1-5, before Jack was convinced that he was on the Island for a reason. Some more great symmetry between the two timelines.
Also, poor Richard. I think he is dead, but he is too good a character to not get what he wanted. I would bet that he is indeed reunited with his wife now.
Food for thought - we now know that everyone was on the Island because Jacob was trying to find a replacement to protect the Island from MiB, right? So why was Jacob's mother the protector before MiB was created? What was she protecting the Island from? You may say the mother was the smoke monster, which makes sense given the village scene, but if that's the case, she had been protecting the Island from herself this whole time? Can someone clarify this?
I love how the crossed off candidates only means Jacob didn't think they would want to / be able to do the job, and not that they couldn't do the job. 'The job is yours if you want it' was a great little line.
I love how in the FST, John and Jack had the same talk about destiny that they had been having all through seasons 1-5, before Jack was convinced that he was on the Island for a reason. Some more great symmetry between the two timelines.
Also, poor Richard. I think he is dead, but he is too good a character to not get what he wanted. I would bet that he is indeed reunited with his wife now.
Food for thought - we now know that everyone was on the Island because Jacob was trying to find a replacement to protect the Island from MiB, right? So why was Jacob's mother the protector before MiB was created? What was she protecting the Island from? You may say the mother was the smoke monster, which makes sense given the village scene, but if that's the case, she had been protecting the Island from herself this whole time? Can someone clarify this?
I think that the protector AND smoky were one and the same with 'Mom', but 'Mom' didn't want Jacob to be burdened with all that not being human entails I suppose. It was sheer bad luck that Jacob threw his brother in the 'light'. His mother warned then NEVER to go in there. She just didn't want the to suffer her fate...yet, she wanted them to take on the fate of protectors.
The island needs a protector from man, in general...not specifically from the MIB. I don't think there was ever just one enemy. MIB became the enemy...and Jacob knew it.
You LIKED that part? Didn't it seem like a major let down to you... like there was someone destined to take Jacob's place, and that candidates were being crossed off one by one when he knew they weren't 'the one', and now it's just a job that anyone can do... how convenient. It just seems too easy, less special, less important. I thought it was a major let down and kind of cheesy.
It's a tricky one to balance.
On one hand, having Jacob keep tabs on the candidate's circumstances meant he knew who would decline/accept his offer, thus feeding into the bigger "watching from a distance" big brother role, and the investment he put into Jack shows that he knew it would be him all along. Having said that, I don't believe it was a completely empty invitation. I see it as Jacob trying to inject some freedom for the candidate (a choice that he didn't have and which he believes lead to this MiB situation). As such, he could cross their names of his list but could not deny them if they ultimately chose to accept in the end.
On one hand, having Jacob keep tabs on the candidate's circumstances meant he knew who would decline/accept his offer, thus feeding into the bigger "watching from a distance" big brother role, and the investment he put into Jack shows that he knew it would be him all along. Having said that, I don't believe it was a completely empty invitation. I see it as Jacob trying to inject some freedom for the candidate (a choice that he didn't have and which he believes lead to this MiB situation). As such, he could cross their names of his list but could not deny them if they ultimately chose to accept in the end.
My thoughts exactly. I so didn't want this to turn into a thing where Ben realizes the error of his ways and becomes a nice guy at the end. Lying, manipulative Ben is Ben at his best.
I'm wondering this too. Unless Jacob's death has now left Richard unprotected, I don't see why the MiB would now suddenly be able to kill Richard.fireshot91 said:
What's the deal in the Alternate timeline?
Are they all stuck in a time loop? I say that, because Faraday's mom said they all had to go back together. That really didn't happen in the current timeline, did it?
Desmond is gathering everyone. When Hurley asked about Anna Lucia, Desmond said it wasn't time for her yet.
When Anna Lucia first got to the island, didn't they say she used to be a cop, but took a bribe and was fired?
My facts are hazy, I haven't gone back and re-watched anything, so...
Could it be that Desmond in the Alternate timeline is the one who is the failsafe?
It looks like Hurley is fully onboard at this point with remembering the events. Could the Alternate timeline really be a flash forward?
Maybe Desmond needs Jack to Fix Locke before they go back, this way he is no longer flawed. The island will no longer have a need for Locke, and MIB would not have a body to occupy.
Oh well, I'm going to miss all these crazy explanations! LOL
Just a line of chalk!
Are they all stuck in a time loop? I say that, because Faraday's mom said they all had to go back together. That really didn't happen in the current timeline, did it?
Desmond is gathering everyone. When Hurley asked about Anna Lucia, Desmond said it wasn't time for her yet.
When Anna Lucia first got to the island, didn't they say she used to be a cop, but took a bribe and was fired?
My facts are hazy, I haven't gone back and re-watched anything, so...
Could it be that Desmond in the Alternate timeline is the one who is the failsafe?
It looks like Hurley is fully onboard at this point with remembering the events. Could the Alternate timeline really be a flash forward?
Maybe Desmond needs Jack to Fix Locke before they go back, this way he is no longer flawed. The island will no longer have a need for Locke, and MIB would not have a body to occupy.
Oh well, I'm going to miss all these crazy explanations! LOL
Just a line of chalk!
I think this is dead on. I like the idea of the Island needing to be protected from humanity in general, as if to say that humans would become corrupt at the sight of this much power. I have to agree with this sentiment.
I definitely see your point here. I think I liked it because we finally got closure on the candidate procedure. I mean, what more does a candidate to replace Jacob need besides the desire to do so? Jacob took a list of people who were troubled, abandoned, who had lost their way, and he gave them a chance for redemption. That redemption came from within, not from some secondary higher power. So the fact that it could have gone to anyone, and wasn't decided from the beginning by a third party, is what really makes it interesting to me.
I do believe this is the case. Now that Jacob is dead, Richard no longer can live forever. The only reason he didn't blow himself up in the Black Rock is because Jack was there.
How many here would LOVE to see a Sawyer/Miles cop show on ABC?
I know it's impossible, but man...I smile broadly when I see those two together as cops.
So...it is just Kate, Sawyer, Sayid and Claire who need to 'see the light' in the alt timeline? We know: Desmond, (Charlie), Ben, Locke, Kwons, Hurley, (Libby) (and Jack?) have realized the island timeline.
(Unsure of Jack...can't think of the example of when he would have seen this off the top of my head...but think it's happened.)
Will Des drive like a maniac and crash into something to get Sayid so agitated/injured that he remembers the island?
How will Kate come to her realization? Surely not through anything Hurley could do.
And Kate may bring in Sawyer? Or maybe if Jack's ex-wife is Juliet...she and he meeting at the concert may do it??
Any thoughts?
I know it's impossible, but man...I smile broadly when I see those two together as cops.
So...it is just Kate, Sawyer, Sayid and Claire who need to 'see the light' in the alt timeline? We know: Desmond, (Charlie), Ben, Locke, Kwons, Hurley, (Libby) (and Jack?) have realized the island timeline.
(Unsure of Jack...can't think of the example of when he would have seen this off the top of my head...but think it's happened.)
Will Des drive like a maniac and crash into something to get Sayid so agitated/injured that he remembers the island?
How will Kate come to her realization? Surely not through anything Hurley could do.
And Kate may bring in Sawyer? Or maybe if Jack's ex-wife is Juliet...she and he meeting at the concert may do it??
Any thoughts?
Actually I'm a little mad that they just killed off Widmore. He's been a huge part of the series and now they don't have to answer any questions about him. I guess they killed him because New-Jack is now FLocke's new enemy. But come on, Widmore was was really invested in the island now we may never find out whats up with that.
The source needs protection because "They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt and it always ends the same".
Anna Lucia : Desmond said "She's not ready yet" and she did take a bribe. From Desmond.
As far as the randomness of the names being crossed off. Jacob may think that but in reality it does boil down to fate. Jack was destined to replace Jacob. Who by the way was tired of protecting the source and probably wanted to leave also. Just like his mother. she thought both the MIB and Jacob would protect it but it wound up being Jacob. Still kind of fate'ish.
Did anybody get the feeling when Ben met Danielle Rousseau as Alex's mother that she knew more than she was letting on about ?
Anna Lucia : Desmond said "She's not ready yet" and she did take a bribe. From Desmond.
As far as the randomness of the names being crossed off. Jacob may think that but in reality it does boil down to fate. Jack was destined to replace Jacob. Who by the way was tired of protecting the source and probably wanted to leave also. Just like his mother. she thought both the MIB and Jacob would protect it but it wound up being Jacob. Still kind of fate'ish.
Did anybody get the feeling when Ben met Danielle Rousseau as Alex's mother that she knew more than she was letting on about ?
I think you're jumping to conclusions, or maybe I'm misreading what you're saying. Desmond, Charlie, Hurley and Libby (as well as Daniel and Eloise) are aware of the alternate island timeline. The others are starting to have some inkling (especially Ben) but I definitely wouldn't say they've "realized" the alternate timeline yet.
Desmond is taking Kate to Jack's son's concert. So Kate will meet Jack and Jack's ex-wife, who almost certainly is Juliet. But how they will all piece it together is anyone's guess.mstrze said:
Right before Juliet died (on the island) she was saying something to Sawyer about getting coffee and "going dutch" for it, and there was some speculation that she was living out some scenario on the alternate timeline with him. So we might expect to see those two meet up again during the finale. Or, you know, maybe that's another bit that will go unanswered.
Well...in my view...even something as simple as having 'an inkling' seems to be OK for Desmond. It will make it easier to convince each person to do whatever is necessary to construct the endgame. But the trauma (pure, deep love or bodily harm) needs to happen to create this realization. I am absolutely convinced of that now after Ben's beating.
It's only a letdown for you because you're taking it so literally. To me it was a major revelation about Jacob and his character (inner personal qualities, not role he plays).
These guys said it well:
Everybody hated Widmore anyway. What better way for him to go than fast.
But his death and the possible death of Richard brings up an interesting scenario. Can smokie take one of their forms now ?
But his death and the possible death of Richard brings up an interesting scenario. Can smokie take one of their forms now ?
Everybody hated Widmore anyway. What better way for him to go than fast.
But his death and the possible death of Richard brings up an interesting scenario. Can smokie take one of their forms now ?
NO. He specified that he is trapped in Locke's body/form.
I do not believe Widmore is dead. It has been mentioned by both Ben and Widmore that they cannot kill one another (Widmore's bedroom scene). Ben was actually saving Widmore by shooting him, as the rules prevent him from dying at Ben's hands, and MiB would have killed Widmore if Ben didn't.
So the question becomes why did Ben save him? My only thought is that Ben has no reason to help MiB. MiB promised him the Island, but then instantly revealed that he was going to destroy it, thus eliminating Ben's
motivation. Now, Ben just wants to get what's coming to him - justice.
If Widmore is indeed dead, we are at least going to hear what he told MiB, probably through Miles.
As for Desmond, I heard a theory (not my own, I wish I had thought of this) that his final purpose will be to drag MiB back into the Source, as this is probably the only way to kill him. Desmond is the only person that can do this (without dying, without becoming the new smoke monster), due to his resistance to electromagnetism. This is why he is the failsafe.
I don't think that Richard is dead. I think that if he were dead, they would have shown his dead body after Smokie grabbed him. I still think that an alive-Richard will play a part in the final episode.
I think that the reason Locke was able to walk after the original Oceanic 815 crash is because Jack fixed him in the alternative timeline. I don't know why or how fixed Locke's body ends up on the Island after the crash, but I think there's something to it. As I remember it, Locke seemed to have some sort of inherent knowledge about the Island just after the crash. He seemed to just know stuff that he shouldn't have known. Maybe this has something to do with it.
I think that the reason Locke was able to walk after the original Oceanic 815 crash is because Jack fixed him in the alternative timeline. I don't know why or how fixed Locke's body ends up on the Island after the crash, but I think there's something to it. As I remember it, Locke seemed to have some sort of inherent knowledge about the Island just after the crash. He seemed to just know stuff that he shouldn't have known. Maybe this has something to do with it.
Since Jack is like Jacob now and is indeed the island protector does he have the ability to "touch" someone like Jacob did ?