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lost boss explains double death

got this from a fansite that sources it from tv guide.com

"That the producers decided to kill off much-maligned castaways Nikki and Paolo on this week's episode may not have been a shock to fans. But how the greedy, murderous pair died provided one of the biggest twists — and thrills — of the season. (After being paralyzed by spider bites, the not-so-dynamic duo were buried alive — albeit unwittingly — by Sawyer and Hurley.) "People hated them before they even opened their mouths to say anything significant because it felt like they were crashing the party," exec producer Damon Lindelof acknowledges of the characters who were abruptly introduced last fall. "The easiest thing would have been to just write them out and forget they ever happened, like the cougar on [Season 2] of 24. But that's not Lost. We should at least own up to it."
 
emdotdee said:
got this from a fansite that sources it from tv guide.com
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... in effect making it a maintenance episode :D

kiwi_the_iwik, good thinking. I mean the Lost team rubbished the purgatory idea back in series 1, but of course they would! That would kill the mystery. I think purgatory is probably the most realistic guess yet.

however... that doesn't explain why the magnetic anomaly was felt outside of their little universe, and the plane dropping food. Though it is true there is some kind of anti-fear of dying. Eye patch guy thanks Locke for killing him, woman asks eye patch guy to kill her, Locke not worrying throughout the whole show.
 
atszyman said:
I assume you mean Jack, not Michael.

And I thought it was pretty well established that one of the bodies Eko pulled from the water when we got the tailies' stories was Jack's dad's body.
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Yes, I'm terribly sorry - I DID mean Jack. To be honest, I haven't watched it in such a long time (beautifully shot and lit, but found it hard to find a storyline that I could justify to be anything but my explanation...).

I'm the first to admit, however, that the show has taken more twists and turns than a twisty-turny thing since I'd last viewed it. But I'd been kept informed of plot outlines from my (then) girlfriend, who watched it religiously (who SAYS it's only men who commandeer the remote?!? Ha! Ha!).

Kate is another example of the purgatory idea. She's never come to terms with the situation she's been in - killing her dad, running from the law, commiting crimes - for whatever reason she did...

It seemed that when the US Marshall died, he could move on because he had done HIS bit, and justified HIS actions in order to bring her in. He was at peace with his situation. Kate, on the other hand, still has to work out her problems - and won't let go until she can settle her demons. And THAT could be a very long time.

I suppose, ultimately, it just goes to prove that you can read into this show however you want! :)
 
When this episode started off with a Nikki flashback, I was so disgusted that I almost turned off the television. But by the time she yelled Razzle Dazzle I was hooked. It turned out to be my favorite episode of the season. Sure, it didn't really advance the story, but I thought it was fun to see some past events from another perspective. And yes, it was a tad predictable - to paraphrase Chekhov: Don't introduce a poisonous spider in the first act if you don't plan to use it in the third - but the paralysis/buried alive twist was great. Someone mentioned Twilight Zone, and that's exactly what I was thinking, too.
 
Flowbee said:
the paralysis/buried alive twist was great. Someone mentioned Twilight Zone, and that's exactly what I was thinking, too.
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It was a classic "they got what they deserved" morality tale, as Raid mentioned above. Those types of stories have been around forever, and not just in The Twilight Zone. Edgar Allan Poe wrote The Premature Burial and published it in 1844.

A few searches showed me that there was a "buried alive" story in this Vault of Horror comic book from October 1950. I know that comic books like "Tales From the Crypt" in that era often had horrible things happen to people because fate was punishing them (usually ironically) for their bad deeds. Some people Lost is doing the same thing.

When "Tales from the Crypt" was an HBO show about 10 years ago, they followed the same pattern, having stories of bad things happening to bad people. (I loved that show's theme song, and the show's intro sequence alone was worth the price of an HBO subscription.)

If I remember correctly, one of the HBO "Tales from the Crypt" episodes (which I presume was from a comic book originally) was about a man who could cheat death a certain number of times. He lets himself be buried alive as a sideshow performance, to make some cash. But after they closed him in the coffin, he realized he had miscounted and was out of lives! :eek:
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It was kinda like the old Star Trek.

Anytime a new Enson came along that went to the planet with them they never seemed to make it back!

Whatever happened to Rose and her husband. You don't even see them anymore.
 
emw said:
Isn't he still making that big SOS sign on the beach?
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No, he'd already given up on that once Rose told him about the island curing her cancer...

Man people seem to be forgetting the stuff that used to be interesting...

Don't think Lost will make it past next season.
 
atszyman said:
Man people seem to be forgetting the stuff that used to be interesting...
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Rose had cancer? ;)

But you're right - there were so many story lines going at one point that it just got too confusing to remember them all. Too many breaks in the action didn't help, either. Personally, I'd like them to refocus on the main characters for awhile.
 
Doctor Q said:
It was a classic "they got what they deserved" morality tale, as Raid mentioned above. Those types of stories have been around forever, and not just in The Twilight Zone. Edgar Allan Poe wrote The Premature Burial and published it in 1844.
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And the story of people being lost on a magical, mysterious island goes back to Shakespeare's The Tempest, published in 1623.

Anyway, I wasn't suggesting that the "buried alive" ending was somehow new or original, just that it was fun to see in the context of Lost... a show which doesn't usually veer toward such Grand Guignol surprises. The Twilight Zone often did.

If anyone's interested in reading more about the history of being buried alive, I recommend Buried Alive: The Terrifying History of Our Most Primal Fear by Jan Bondeson.
 
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Actually, it reminded me of a plot line out of the old EC Comics

I remember one such plotline had the hot-but-evil wife and her studly boyfriend plot to murder the woman's old-but-rich husband. They succeed with offing the poor old guy, but are stuck as to where to put the body. They dump it down a well on the property. As you might guess, this turns out to be a terrible idea. While hosting a fancy, dinner party months later, they have their evening spoiled in the worst way.
 
FrankBlack said:
I remember one such plotline had the hot-but-evil wife and her studly boyfriend plot to murder the woman's old-but-rich husband. They succeed with offing the poor old guy, but are stuck as to where to put the body. They dump it down a well on the property. As you might guess, this turns out to be a terrible idea. While hosting a fancy, dinner party months later, they have their evening spoiled in the worst way.
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You mean... gasp...

the pizza guy doesn't show up on time? :eek: :eek:
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I don't really want to go through all the recent posts.. but

Does anyone think there is a pretty good chance that the man the conned Sawyer's parents is Locke's dad?
 
Doctor Q said:
If I remember correctly, one of the HBO "Tales from the Crypt" episodes (which I presume was from a comic book originally) was about a man who could cheat death a certain number of times. He lets himself be buried alive as a sideshow performance, to make some cash. But after they closed him in the coffin, he realized he had miscounted and was out of lives! :eek:
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Too bad that cat had to die. ;)

I have almost all the reprints from when I was a kid. Started buying them before it even became a TV show. My Parents thought I was nuts, but most of those ECs had good, Twilight Zoney stories.

Anyone else ever watch the cartoon version?
 
spicyapple said:
Did they have to recreate the crash scene? Because if they did, this would have been a very expensive episode to produce, otherwise Nikki and Paulo's scenes were filmed years ago and writer's had their characters in mind; not some last minute filler material.

Somebody should rewatch the first Lost episode to see if they can catch Nikki and Paulo in some of the frames... could be a nice effort to spot continuity errors too.
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I just went through the first 10 mins or so of season 1 ep 1 and Nikki and Paulo were no where to be seen. I think there were shots from certain angles that should have revealed either of them. Looks like they were added as filler, but it didn't work out. :rolleyes:
 
I finally caught up with this show (thanks to ABC.com) so I can officially participate in this thread.

Unfortunately, I have nothing more to say at this time. :(

Forget I said anything. :eek:
 
epochblue said:
So, um, what was all that flashin'? Hmmmmmm.....
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The "monster" scanning some one it's never met before? She's been on the island 3 years and has never even heard the monster? The monster only hunts sinners? The others aren't sinners? A better question is how did that doctor chick got so tough?

edit: Sawyer is their leader? They really are screwed.
 
After the last 3 or 4 episodes, I give this one a meh. Not terrible, but it seemed like not very much really happened. Next week's looks like it could be good.
 
I can see the writers working on this one now...

Let's take two of the hot chicks, handcuff them together and make them run through the rain...

Let's have them trip in a mud puddle....

It was unfortunate that the wrestling/struggle took place before the rain/mud...
 
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