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Have you been watching the same show I have?

I used to make that assumption when early on people would complain about the Losties not sharing information. Now I'm pretty sure that none of them really trusts anyone else, it's been more obvious in recent episodes that no-one shares information on the island, possibly because no one really knows who is an Other, possibly because they are all morons.

So it's entirely possible that Jack is playing Juliette, it's also possible that Jack is and always has been one of the others (maybe since his divorce) and maybe he actually caused the crash of flight 815. After last night's episode I fully expect the Others to have a more active role in the crash of flight 815. It's awfully convenient that shortly after Ben is diagnosed with a tumor on his spine one of the best back surgeons happens to crash on the island.

The plane crashed because Desmond failed to enter the numbers into the computer on time because he was off bashing the head of the other hatchie into the rocks, as best I recall anyway. There was a magnetic release that caused the plane to break apart midair.
 
Heh, I know what you mean, Shecky, but they did renew for a 4th season on March 21.



Juliette certainly gives Jack a big old clue when she tells him that she truly is on her own. I would dig the "Jack is really an other" theory if we weren't privy to so much one-on-one Jack/Juliette, especially back in the holding cell. That wouldn't have needed to happen if they were on the same side; the others don't need to "act" in each other's presence.

So I want to know now: do women knowingly get pregnant on this island, with full knowledge that it's a death sentence, or is Ben/The Great Man implanting pregnancies in them, using them as guinea pigs? And if Ben has lived his whole life on the island (which I don't buy), then his daughter was born here. Do we know the Rousseau backstory yet? I'd love to see her flashbacks too.

What about Sun's pregnancy? Isn't she a size 0? She should be showing quite soon. They've been on the island for three full months by now.
 
So I want to know now: do women knowingly get pregnant on this island, with full knowledge that it's a death sentence, or is Ben/The Great Man implanting pregnancies in them, using them as guinea pigs?
Ben mentioned that saying they knew the risks of getting pregnant. (This was when he was with Juliet on the rocks near the sea.)


What about Sun's pregnancy? Isn't she a size 0? She should be showing quite soon. They've been on the island for three full months by now.
I had forgotten about that. This is certainly going to get interesting...
 
The plane crashed because Desmond failed to enter the numbers into the computer on time because he was off bashing the head of the other hatchie into the rocks, as best I recall anyway. There was a magnetic release that caused the plane to break apart midair.

Yes, true, but there needs to be more to the story than this.

My main question is not who or what caused the crash but how could anyone survive this kind of crash? Unharmed. And not only one survivor, but an entire group.
 
Yes, true, but there needs to be more to the story than this.

My main question is not who or what caused the crash but how could anyone survive this kind of crash? Unharmed. And not only one survivor, but an entire group.

I think that's why they made the point of showing the plane at such a low altitude in the opening sequences of Season 2. As difficult as it may be to believe, people have fallen farther than that distance and walked away with barely a scratch.
 
I think that's why they made the point of showing the plane at such a low altitude in the opening sequences of Season 2. As difficult as it may be to believe, people have fallen farther than that distance and walked away with barely a scratch.

That's low altitude? I live a good 20-30 miles from Manchester Airport and when your up on the moors you can see people in the windows! I actually noticed how quite high up they were in the Series 2 opener. The others village must be at least 10 miles from the crash site. The plane didn't nose dive after all, it glided in... just in a bunch of pieces.

My guess at least. For whatever value the distance holds.
 
Wasn't that plane still hundreds of feet high up in the air?

Well they were also flying over the island when the plane broke apart and they should have crashed going away from the beach, but the crash scene has them crashing toward the beach.

Hell this is lost, maybe they turned around when they realized they overshot the island? :p
 
They're not supposed to be able to get it [cancer]. Something on the island is supposed to stop it. Rose was cured. Locke was cured. Juliet's sister was. Ben wasn't.
I thought Ben himself gave a possible explanation in a past episode-- didn't he say that he was unique in having been born on the island itself as opposed to being brought to the island?
 
The plane crashed because Desmond failed to enter the numbers into the computer on time because he was off bashing the head of the other hatchie into the rocks, as best I recall anyway. There was a magnetic release that caused the plane to break apart midair.

That's what we were led to believe, but Lost isn't always known for it's direct and simple answers. The magnetic anomaly may have been necessary to actually get the plane to the island (some sort of magnetic field to hide/protect the island maybe?

Yes, true, but there needs to be more to the story than this.

My main question is not who or what caused the crash but how could anyone survive this kind of crash? Unharmed. And not only one survivor, but an entire group.

I had posed a theory early on in the series that the crash had been planned and most (if not all) of the survivors came from specially reinforced seats to ensure that the people they wanted to survive.

macmama said:
Juliette certainly gives Jack a big old clue when she tells him that she truly is on her own. I would dig the "Jack is really an other" theory if we weren't privy to so much one-on-one Jack/Juliette, especially back in the holding cell. That wouldn't have needed to happen if they were on the same side; the others don't need to "act" in each other's presence.

This only holds true if everyone knows that he's one of them. If he's known only to a select few that he's part of the camp (maybe he's even "the great man") it could very well be that no one other than possibly Ben knows who he really is and the others have only been told of "the great man."

Of course I'm stretching here but they have a fracking "smoke monster".
 
Loved the episode and liked that it did not end with more totally unanswerable questions/mysteries.

I think Juliet still wants to go home, that's where her real loyalties are at. She could be playing Ben just enough so that he might not recognize right away.
 
I thought Ben himself gave a possible explanation in a past episode-- didn't he say that he was unique in having been born on the island itself as opposed to being brought to the island?

Yeah, but no one is supposed to. The island (or something) is actually supposed to cure it or keep it away. Ben was surprised he had it, and Juliet called him on it. That was just his guess as to why he could get it, when he shouldn't be able to.

I was mostly just replying to Dis. ;)
 
Really????
Wasn't that plane still hundreds of feet high up in the air?

Yes, hundreds of feet. Do even a bit of research, and you'll find stories of U.S. Air Force pilots that have fallen TWO MILES and survived. I know my math fails me at this time of the day, but two miles translates into 10,000-plus feet.

The human body is an incredibly resilient force of nature. Do not, under any circumstances, dismiss the will to live. Or have you never pondered the blossom that makes its way through the tarmac in the coldest climate to bloom and proclaim: Here I stand. I can do no other.
 
You guys are thinking too hard. The answer is much simpler:

The survivors survived because without them, there couldn't be a Lost.

You, of course, make a great point. When I was arguing with my "sympathy friend" after "Lost" aired about what a poor episode it was, I remembered yet again that we must surrender, to some extent, our disbelief and enjoy the show.

My creeping problem with "Lost" is a lack of trust. Seasons 1 and 2 made for incredible television. Season 3 leaves me feeling jerked around -- none of the action advanced the story, and the only "cool" things about the season were Sawyer asking "Who?" about Nikki and Paulo and then watching them get what they deserved.

For all the people wandering how the "losties" survived the crash-landing, why is no one asking about what happened to Rose and her husband? Hasn't it been 17-plus episodes since we've seen them? :rolleyes:
 
It usually isn't even the landing that kills you, it's the fall. The cause of death from people who've fallen great heights is actually usually a heart attack. You are actually scared to death. Plus, a lot of them landed in the water and/or had cushioning from their seats. We don't even know how fast the plane was going (maybe the magnet screwed up gravity), or where it broke up enough for them to come out of it. People have survived plane crashed before.

That, and it's just a TV show about a mysterious island with a smoke monster on it.
 
Plus, a lot of them landed in the water and/or had cushioning from their seats.
Hitting water at a significant speed is no different the hitting concrete.

...Close to 50 people are killed every year jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge at a height of around 200 feet.
 
And thank you Sayid for finally asking her "Why are you torturing us?"
Seconded! Sayid's stock certainly went up in my book for dealing with one of my pet peeves. Mind you Juliette's explanation about Ethan and Clarie shouldn't ring true to the Losties... it's just not how you'd handle the situation if you didn't have anything sinister in mind.

Maybe the fact that Claire (and Rousseau) was far along in her pregnancy when she ended up on the island is what allowed them to have the baby without getting sick...
I got that idea too, when Claire got sick and Juliette told her story to Jack I was thinking 'then how did Rousseau survive?' But at the time I assumed she had been kidnapped by the others too and had just escaped when she was better.
 
Finally.. a decent episode! I don't want to say it was a surprise.. it wasn't completely. The "implant" was, but not that it was a set up. I wonder what they want? Claire is my guess.

But overall that eposide was Season 2 good.. I hope for the shot at Season 1 good episodes as Season 3 winds down.
 
Sayid and Sawyer shouldn't have let Juliet off the hook so easily. They aren't being the moral police as she claimed. They are protecting their own skin from someone who may be an enemy and could give them information to keep all of the Losties safer.

Jack keeps saying people should trust Juliet because he trusts her. Nobody had the guts to tell Jack they don't know whether to trust him anymore.
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Yeah, but no one is supposed to. The island (or something) is actually supposed to cure [cancer] or keep it away...
Side note, but is it more or less assumed that the tumor that was growing on Ben's spine was cancerous? Because, generally speaking, tumors are not always malignant.
 
Does the list have something to do with all of this?

Someone mentioned somewhere in this thread about Kate and Sawyer using protection. The others gave her the boot, maybe she can't get pregnant.

I would think Sun is their next target...

It would also lend a little irony to the situation if Sawyer came to her rescue since she seems to despise him.
 
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