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Ah, jeez. Hadn’t considered that.

My other favorite is “off-axis whites look yellow”
It will be alright, I’m preparing myself for the upcoming iPhone 13 reviews (overstatements).

X said ‘the iPhone 13 is as smooth as butter, using the iPhone 12 again is like scrolling through treacle.’

y said ‘the iPhone 13 is like scrolling on air, I can’t pick up an iPhone 12 again.’
 
If this fixes the screen headaches I may have to cough up $1000 for a stupid cellphone.
 
Nice. Would’ve liked it on my 12 Pro Max but I had to update my broken 7 Plus.

and I definitely notice a difference between 120hz and 60hz. On the iPad Pro, you can turn off promotion. It looks more juttery when you scroll.

I have a 144hz monitor for my Mac. There’s a noticeable difference there too.

also when viewing 24fps videos, there isn’t any of that pulldown(?) that causes extra strobing/jitteriness, particularly in panning scenes that you get when using 60hz displays. (Monitor is set to 120hz)

but yea it’s one of those things that aren’t necessary, but when you have it, it’s hard to go back. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Nice. Would’ve liked it on my 12 Pro Max but I had to update my broken 7 Plus.

and I definitely notice a difference between 120hz and 60hz. On the iPad Pro, you can turn off promotion. It looks more juttery when you scroll.

I have a 144hz monitor for my Mac. There’s a noticeable difference there too.

also when viewing 24fps videos, there isn’t any of that pulldown(?) that causes extra strobing/jitteriness, particularly in panning scenes that you get when using 60hz displays. (Monitor is set to 120hz)

but yea it’s one of those things that aren’t necessary, but when you have it, it’s hard to go back. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Until you use your phone for a few days and forget all about it.
 
Can someone please educate me on what the big deal is about this?
I don't seem to have any issue with scrolling on my current iphone 12 Max Pro or my 2018 iPad Pro.
Moving from 60Hz to 120Hz is very noticeable. I'm not too sure how technical you are but what this means is that the screen can update 120 times every second instead of 60, which results in a much smoother image; very noticeable when scrolling, etc. If you've ever tried out an iPad Pro, you will really be able to tell how much smoother it really is, and it may even feel weird going back to a 60Hz screen. It's a much-needed upgrade for the iPhone line-up, and I'm glad they've finally decided to go with it. If you ever get the chance to try it out, I recommend you do so as you'll probably love it!
 
That’s odd because I’ve see many of posts from people with an iPad stating they can’t see a difference. Now I’m sure there is a difference, but calling it the most significant is a bit of an overstatement.
I'm one of those people... I had first gen ipad air and ipad pro. I see very little difference in scrolling. It's not must have feature for me.
 
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You know what else I'd like in a 13 Pro? The same camera setup across the two sizes as was in the 11 Pro lineup. I didn't like how they gimped the smaller 12 Pro with a slightly compromised OIS setup. Hopefully they've been able to optimize it and reach parity this time round. I'm on a 11 Pro Max and I'm seriously thinking about going smaller this time round.
 
Until you use your phone for a few days and forget all about it.
I do notice it when I go back to my phone.
But like I said, it’s not really a big deal, but once you have it (and can see the difference), it’s hard to go back.

its kind of interesting how some people can’t see the difference. Then again I know people that can’t tell the difference between retina and non-retina. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
That’s odd because I’ve see many of posts from people with an iPad stating they can’t see a difference. Now I’m sure there is a difference, but calling it the most significant is a bit of an overstatement.
I think the difference will be more noticeable on an OLED display. OLEDs exhibit more judder because of their nearly instantaneous pixel response time, while LCD displays leave a fading trail behind moving images, which hides some of the abruptness of the transition between frames.
 
120 Hz seems legit. Similarly, and as an aside...My music certainly sounds much more musical, and with better definition, when I plug my 50 watt amplifier into an AC outlet using a power cord made from 0 gauge 99.999999% oxygen-free silver-plated wire. :)
 
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With the iPhone X, Apple upped the touch sample rate to 120Hz, something I felt even before I learned of it. The X was still a 60Hz screen, but the 120Hz sampling made it feel much more responsive and smoother. Samsung now offers 120Hz screens with 240Hz input sampling, and I wonder if Apple will do the same. With seamless VRR (ProMotion), it honestly will be one of the biggest display improvements since the initial switch to OLED.
 
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Why would anyone care for or need a 120 Hz refresh rate?

I don't get it. What's not absolutely sufficient about 60 Hz?
 
For those asking, high refresh rates are more easily appreciated when they are gone. You notice their absence more than their presence. That alone is characteristically very much like an "Apple feature."

For those acting like it's a gimmick, come back and +1 this comment after you use one for awhile. Saying higher refresh rates are a gimmick is the same as saying higher resolution or "retina" displays are a gimmick. They objectively are not.

Oh give me a break, comparing faster refresh rates to the switch to retina displays is ridiculous.

The switch to retina brought us displays with FOUR TIMES the pixel density of the older displays, and crossed the significant threshold from pixelated images to "I cannot discern any pixels anymore in this image". It was a difference like day and night.

Meanwhile, 120 Hz give you every-so-slightly smoother scrolling. Hooray.

And nobody thought retina displays were a gimmick when they were introduced. It was immediately clear to everyone how much of an improvement that was. It's much less clear to people now, because these two changes are very, very different in their significance.
 
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This makes me happy primarily so that people who constantly whine about this will move on to complain about other things that, perhaps, the rest of us can actually see.

i wonder why people find this to be an actually amusing statement to make unironically. it's as if identifying oneself as having seemingly inferior eyesight is something to be proud of, while simultaneously mocking those that do. while furthermore being irritated with people who want this feature, something that wouldn't introduce a negative to their own experience, at all.

let's spit some facts for you:

high refresh rate displays have been around for a long, long time. the personal computing market has up to 360hz displays available at reasonable pricing to consumers. they're generally directed at the competitive gaming segment, but i have stood before a 240hz display and see the crisp difference in simple general, non-gaming applications. 165hz, 144hz, 120hz, 100hz, etc. displays have existed for at least 6 or so years now.

many smartphones that are not iphones have had high refresh rate displays for years now. there is a consumer market for it, and it's (clearly) much larger than you're giving any credit (see: respect) for. yes, there are people on this planet that are not *you*.

this same absurd mockery has been made by a significant segment of the console gaming market for years, mostly because consoles compete for who delivers the best fidelity, which typically requires dropping FPS. so they, much like you, have whined (that thing that irritates you) about people who wanted things as trivial as 60fps in their games more just because they *couldn't* have it.

and now we're seeing the same people begging devs to make 60 and even 120fps work on their titles because now that the hardware is physically capable of it reliably without dropping image quality significantly, they are quite literally seeing the benefit.

there are more than enough tools available right now that will show side by side comparisons about the visual differences between 15, 30, 60, 100, 120, 144, etc. hz. if you had a display in front of you capable of hitting those higher numbers, and you still couldn't see it, then you are either a) in deliberate denial because being right even in the presence of conflicting information *feels* warm and fuzzy or b) you unfortunately actually cannot see it, and that's too bad for you, but being different (incapable) does not afford you the right to mock without prejudice, or exist as a valid reason for the rest of the world abstaining from progress.

call it a gimmick, claim people can't see it, i do not care. it's just absolutely hysterical that you think it's somehow not worthy of implementing, yet the tech industry clearly has been moving on without you for quite some time.

little heads up: we're at the point now where the TV industry has native 120hz panels, not just that promotion fake frame technology.

learn a little bit about the subjects you mock, you might seem less pretentious.
 
Oh give me a break, comparing faster refresh rates to the switch to retina displays is ridiculous.

The switch to retina brought us displays with FOUR TIMES the pixel density of the older displays, and crossed the significant threshold from pixelated images to "I cannot discern any pixels anymore in this image". It was a difference like day and night.

Meanwhile, 120 Hz give you every-so-slightly smoother scrolling. Hooray.

And nobody thought retina displays were a gimmick when they were introduced. It was immediately clear to everyone how much of an improvement that was. It's much less clear to people now, because these two changes are very, very different in their significance.

oh look...another person who doesn't know what they're talking about, and when invited to actually try something they'd rather recede further into their own position...
 
Comparing faster refresh rates to the switch to retina displays is absolutely ridiculous.

The switch to retina brought us displays with FOUR TIMES the pixel density of the older displays, and crossed the significant threshold from pixelated images to "I cannot discern any pixels anymore in this image". It was a difference like day and night.

Meanwhile, 120 Hz give you every-so-slightly smoother scrolling. Hooray.
Doubling the refresh rate doubles the perceived resolution of elements that are moving across the screen (such as when scrolling). It also makes the scrolling element follow your finger more closely, so it feels more responsive and directly connected to your finger movement.

That said, Retina is more important for most uses than 120Hz.
But for something like a side scrolling game, improved refresh rates would improve perceived resolution more than Retina does.
 
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Oh give me a break, comparing faster refresh rates to the switch to retina displays is ridiculous.

The switch to retina brought us displays with FOUR TIMES the pixel density of the older displays, and crossed the significant threshold from pixelated images to "I cannot discern any pixels anymore in this image". It was a difference like day and night.

Meanwhile, 120 Hz give you every-so-slightly smoother scrolling. Hooray.

And nobody thought retina displays were a gimmick when they were introduced. It was immediately clear to everyone how much of an improvement that was. It's much less clear to people now, because these two changes are very, very different in their significance.

Imagine being this flustered over a feature that you will no doubt soon praise for being amazing. I am fortunate enough to have several flagship devices and when I move my SIM from say, my S21 Ultra to my 12 Pro Max, the display looks jittery. Simple as.

While I fully doubt you will have the courage to come back here and +1 my post when you realize that high refresh rates are amazing, I do hope you learn to be okay with nice things. Cheers 🍻
 
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i wonder why people find this to be an actually amusing statement to make unironically. it's as if identifying oneself as having seemingly inferior eyesight is something to be proud of, while simultaneously mocking those that do. while furthermore being irritated with people who want this feature, something that wouldn't introduce a negative to their own experience, at all.

let's spit some facts for you:

high refresh rate displays have been around for a long, long time. the personal computing market has up to 360hz displays available at reasonable pricing to consumers. they're generally directed at the competitive gaming segment, but i have stood before a 240hz display and see the crisp difference in simple general, non-gaming applications. 165hz, 144hz, 120hz, 100hz, etc. displays have existed for at least 6 or so years now.

many smartphones that are not iphones have had high refresh rate displays for years now. there is a consumer market for it, and it's (clearly) much larger than you're giving any credit (see: respect) for. yes, there are people on this planet that are not *you*.

this same absurd mockery has been made by a significant segment of the console gaming market for years, mostly because consoles compete for who delivers the best fidelity, which typically requires dropping FPS. so they, much like you, have whined (that thing that irritates you) about people who wanted things as trivial as 60fps in their games more just because they *couldn't* have it.

and now we're seeing the same people begging devs to make 60 and even 120fps work on their titles because now that the hardware is physically capable of it reliably without dropping image quality significantly, they are quite literally seeing the benefit.

there are more than enough tools available right now that will show side by side comparisons about the visual differences between 15, 30, 60, 100, 120, 144, etc. hz. if you had a display in front of you capable of hitting those higher numbers, and you still couldn't see it, then you are either a) in deliberate denial because being right even in the presence of conflicting information *feels* warm and fuzzy or b) you unfortunately actually cannot see it, and that's too bad for you, but being different (incapable) does not afford you the right to mock without prejudice, or exist as a valid reason for the rest of the world abstaining from progress.

call it a gimmick, claim people can't see it, i do not care. it's just absolutely hysterical that you think it's somehow not worthy of implementing, yet the tech industry clearly has been moving on without you for quite some time.

little heads up: we're at the point now where the TV industry has native 120hz panels, not just that promotion fake frame technology.

learn a little bit about the subjects you mock, you might seem less pretentious.

thanks for the wall of text. Now go back and look at my post and try to find where I said any of the things you claim I said.
 
Oh give me a break, comparing faster refresh rates to the switch to retina displays is ridiculous.

The switch to retina brought us displays with FOUR TIMES the pixel density of the older displays, and crossed the significant threshold from pixelated images to "I cannot discern any pixels anymore in this image". It was a difference like day and night.

Meanwhile, 120 Hz give you every-so-slightly smoother scrolling. Hooray.

And nobody thought retina displays were a gimmick when they were introduced. It was immediately clear to everyone how much of an improvement that was. It's much less clear to people now, because these two changes are very, very different in their significance.
Scrolling is scrolling but comparing to higher resolution is ridiculous. Are people literally staring at every single line while scrolling?
 
Scrolling is scrolling but comparing to higher resolution is ridiculous. Are people literally staring at every single line while scrolling?




Refresh rates matter. When the iPhone finally has higher rates, you're going to hear a lot of "I picked up my old iPhone and it's crazy how much less smooth it is compared to my new iPhone" type comments. You'll see.
 
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