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Or add FSD beta, rims, nice paint and a charger to the Plaid and you are at $131,000 which is closer to the GT. I paid 110k for my Touring fully loaded and get the $7,500 tax rebate so 102,500$ total. There is quite a bit of overlap between the Model S and the Lucid Air. Tesla has dropped their prices quite a bit recently. Lucid is offering $7,500 off currently as well.
I don't think adding FSD would be good for a comparison since the Lucid doesn't have anything close. I'm sure you could add extras to make that $139k price of the Lucid Air GT go up as well. My issue was the video reeked of a cheap promo video and it was bragging that a car $50k more was so much better.

I have no dog in this fight because both are out of my price range. If anything I would get a Tesla Model 3 since it still has decent range but much cheaper. I would really love to see someone make a nice subcompact EV with 250 mile range but focusing on efficiency rather than power and access to a decent charging network. I'm not trying to win any drag races and I'll trade range over speed any day.
 
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i wouldn't recommend anyone to get the FSD unless they got the new X which has HW4, tesla has basically maxed out the limitation on the HW3 and its more of a fulfilling legal obligation than actual realistic full self driving.
Is there a date when HW4 comes out and is this just on their high end models? FSD is one thing that really interests me. I would still be observing what it's doing to fix an error but it would be nice for long trips or heavy traffic.
 
I don't think adding FSD would be good for a comparison since the Lucid doesn't have anything close. I'm sure you could add extras to make that $139k price of the Lucid Air GT go up as well. My issue was the video reeked of a cheap promo video and it was bragging that a car $50k more was so much better.

I have no dog in this fight because both are out of my price range. If anything I would get a Tesla Model 3 since it still has decent range but much cheaper. I would really love to see someone make a nice subcompact EV with 250 mile range but focusing on efficiency rather than power and access to a decent charging network. I'm not trying to win any drag races and I'll trade range over speed any day.
I had a Chevy Bolt for 4 years. In the summer I could get 300 miles or range. It was pretty nice car, I really like EV's it's so nice not going to a gas station. I do almost all my charging at home.
I did just trade in the Bolt for a Tesla model 3, but I don't have anything bad to say about the Bolt.
 
But BMW are just sad cars that nobody wants in 2023. Seriously, who will want a BMW these days instead of a safe car full of technology like Tesla.
I would take my I4m50 over a Tesla Model 3 any day of the week. Just not in the same class at all. Sorry Tesla is fine but if I am spending 80k I want something that rides like 80k, not a kit car where the steering wheel falls off.

On the topic very excited for Lucid to bring CarPlay, it should be on any modern vehicle today, period stop.
 
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Is there a date when HW4 comes out and is this just on their high end models? FSD is one thing that really interests me. I would still be observing what it's doing to fix an error but it would be nice for long trips or heavy traffic.
hw4 is already out on the X, tesla reddit got folks who took delivery and showcasing the new 5mp camera live view. you don't need FSD for long trips or heavy traffic if mostly highway, hell even my standard autopilot works on roads, it just won't stop for stop signs or lights.
 
I had a Chevy Bolt for 4 years. In the summer I could get 300 miles or range. It was pretty nice car, I really like EV's it's so nice not going to a gas station. I do almost all my charging at home.
I did just trade in the Bolt for a Tesla model 3, but I don't have anything bad to say about the Bolt.
I looked at the Chevy Bolt, and it says 259 miles for range. From my understanding when car manufactures list EV range, they mean from 100% to 0% in ideal weather. I've also read that it's not recommended to go over 80% or below 20%. So if my math is correct that turns 259 miles into 155 miles range in theory. Obviously you owned one so you know more than I do on the EV thing. Where are my calculations messed up? Did you just charge it to 100 and down to 0 and not worry too much? Or is the rage estimates they give count for not going over 80% and down to 20%. I thought about the Bolt but I need 200 mile range minimum so that's why I didn't consider it.

I really want to get an EV but I don't want to regret my purchase and be stuck with a car that doesn't do what I need.
 
I looked at the Chevy Bolt, and it says 259 miles for range. From my understanding when car manufactures list EV range, they mean from 100% to 0% in ideal weather. I've also read that it's not recommended to go over 80% or below 20%. So if my math is correct that turns 259 miles into 155 miles range in theory. Obviously you owned one so you know more than I do on the EV thing. Where are my calculations messed up? Did you just charge it to 100 and down to 0 and not worry too much? Or is the rage estimates they give count for not going over 80% and down to 20%. I thought about the Bolt but I need 200 mile range minimum so that's why I didn't consider it.

I really want to get an EV but I don't want to regret my purchase and be stuck with a car that doesn't do what I need.
your math is correct, on typical NCA (or nickel-cobalt-aluminum), NCM (or nickel-cobalt-manganese) its recommended to keep between 20-80% range, however on LFP (or lithium-iron-phosphate) its recommended to keep it at 100%.

also i have never heard of a chevy bolt achieving 300 range under any circumstances. so not sure how someone manage that.

you can extract the max range by charging it to 100%, and use it right away on a long journey, its just not recommended to keep it at 100% for a long period. and this only applies to NCA and NCM.

so far my model y has done everything i wanted and then some, however no one has the same exact criteria, it would be more helpful if you actually list out what you want.
 
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Is there a date when HW4 comes out and is this just on their high end models? FSD is one thing that really interests me. I would still be observing what it's doing to fix an error but it would be nice for long trips or heavy traffic.
As a Model Y owner I don’t trust Enhanced Autopilot. It’s trash. I highly regret paying for it.
 
your math is correct, on typical NCA (or nickel-cobalt-aluminum), NCM (or nickel-cobalt-manganese) its recommended to keep between 20-80% range, however on LFP (or lithium-iron-phosphate) its recommended to keep it at 100%.

also i have never heard of a chevy bolt achieving 300 range under any circumstances. so not sure how someone manage that.

you can extract the max range by charging it to 100%, and use it right away on a long journey, its just not recommended to keep it at 100% for a long period. and this only applies to NCA and NCM.

so far my model y has done everything i wanted and then some, however no one has the same exact criteria, it would be more helpful if you actually list out what you want.
What I want is 250-ish miles range in real world circumstances and occasionally be able to make trips to see family about 500 miles away so being able to charge away from home is a must. It’s usually me or maybe one passenger so a small car is fine. I don’t need something that’s going to throw me back in my seat. I’ll admit that would be fun, but my budget says no 😂

Right now I was looking at the Tesla Model 3. That’s probably at the upper end of my budget. I don’t want an insane car payment.
 
I looked at the Chevy Bolt, and it says 259 miles for range. From my understanding when car manufactures list EV range, they mean from 100% to 0% in ideal weather. I've also read that it's not recommended to go over 80% or below 20%. So if my math is correct that turns 259 miles into 155 miles range in theory. Obviously you owned one so you know more than I do on the EV thing. Where are my calculations messed up? Did you just charge it to 100 and down to 0 and not worry too much? Or is the rage estimates they give count for not going over 80% and down to 20%. I thought about the Bolt but I need 200 mile range minimum so that's why I didn't consider it.

I really want to get an EV but I don't want to regret my purchase and be stuck with a car that doesn't do what I need.
When parked at home, I kept my Bolt plugged in and charged to 100%. Chevy doesn't tell you not to charge to 100%. The range will vary, just like an ICE auto, with how you drive, and if you are running AC or heat. Cold weather also reduces the range. In the colder month in Maryland, I would get about 220 miles from a full charge, but in weather in th e 70's 300. Unlike the Tesla, the Bolt would adjust the range based on how are driving, if the heat or AC is on, and the condition of the battery due to the temperature. So in the cold months, if you start out, put on the heat, on a full charge the display would change to maybe 220 or 215 miles. A nice day, I have seen over 300. I never ran the car down to the point it died, but would start out a trip showing 300 miles, drive for 200 miles, and have the display show 100 miles range remaining.
The big advantage Tesla has over everyone else is the charging network. Many times with the bolt I would go to charge on a level 3 charger, only to find it was broken, or you could spend 10 minutes trying to get it to accept payment and start working. You end up with accounts from a bunch of different networks, and passwords apps etc. With Tesla, you just plug in charge, billing is automatic, and charging is fast.
 
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When parked at home, I kept my Bolt plugged in and charged to 100%. Chevy doesn't tell you not to charge to 100%. The range will vary, just like an ICE auto, with how you drive, and if you are running AC or heat. Cold weather also reduces the range. In the colder month in Maryland, I would get about 220 miles from a full charge, but in weather in th e 70's 300. Unlike the Tesla, the Bolt would adjust the range based on how are driving, if the heat or AC is on, and the condition of the battery due to the temperature. So in the cold months, if you start out, put on the heat, on a full charge the display would change to maybe 220 or 215 miles. A nice day, I have seen over 300. I never ran the car down to the point it died, but would start out a trip showing 300 miles, drive for 200 miles, and have the display show 100 miles range remaining.
The big advantage Tesla has over everyone else is the charging network. Many times with the bolt I would go to charge on a level 3 charger, only to find it was broken, or you could spend 10 minutes trying to get it to accept payment and start working. You end up with accounts from a bunch of different networks, and passwords apps etc. With Tesla, you just plug in charge, billing is automatic, and charging is fast.
Thanks. I wasn’t sure how the charging situation was. I could rent a car when I go on longer trips and use the EV around town. I wouldn’t want to get stuck in the middle of nowhere because I couldn’t find a charger. I’ll probably end up going with a Tesla just because it seems like the easy way to do this.
 
What I want is 250-ish miles range in real world circumstances and occasionally be able to make trips to see family about 500 miles away so being able to charge away from home is a must. It’s usually me or maybe one passenger so a small car is fine. I don’t need something that’s going to throw me back in my seat. I’ll admit that would be fun, but my budget says no 😂

Right now I was looking at the Tesla Model 3. That’s probably at the upper end of my budget. I don’t want an insane car payment.
i would say get a tesla, consider supercharger stations are everywhere in the us. i'm on a quick family getaway from the city, and currently in the tip of long island right now, i see 2 different supercharger stations within 10 miles of me. ofcourse ymmv.

as for price everyone has a different level of acceptable budget, the m3 std starts at 42k, once you factor in the 7500 credit you looking at 35k before tax, thats a hell of a bargain imo. the only con here is tesla is coming out with a model 3 refresh code named "highland"

one thing tesla is heads and shoulders above everyone else is their autopilot feature, sure their vision only system lacks redundancy such as lidar and uss, but you do get alot less phantom breaking compared to before where radar and uss was used. i drove for almost 2 hours the other day and i only had to disengage autopilot twice due to construction cones and some weird highway line merge that only exist in long island.
 
As a (mostly happy) Tesla owner, this article really got my attention. CarPlay is the one thing Tesla lacks, in my mind, and I wouldn’t buy a new car without it. But I also wouldn’t buy a new car without FSD and access to the supercharger network.

I speculate that the reason Tesla doesn’t support CarPlay is two-fold, and I’ve given up hope that they ever will. 1) Apple charges a licensing fee to use CarPlay, and the egos involved at Tesla believe it’s not worth the price and they can do a better job themselves. 2) The integration between maps and Autopilot/FSD is too tightly coupled to be able to swap in another navigation provider, especially one which is notoriously stingy with the data it shares.

So for now I’ll be thankful for the native Apple Music integration, keep an eye on how the supercharger network is opening up to other vehicles, and be on the lookout for cars that support the next-gen CarPlay experience Apple announced at WWDC.
 
Basic things Tesla can’t even do.

You gotta be pretty rich to beta test these expensive electric cars.

I’m looking forward to an electric car that isn’t so flashy but has good range, fast charging, and reliability for a decent price. The Toyota of electric cars. Don’t need so many bells and whistles that just break, like putting motorized things that slide in and out everywhere with 17 cameras and a million quirks and features like custom hidden company Easter eggs injection molded into every nook and cranny. Yes I watch a lot of Doug Demuro videos.

I value function and reliability above all else, but it should look somewhat nice. Electric cars could be so much more simple because of their nature. Looking forward to advances in technology with batteries that are easier to swap.
Swappable batteries are reasonable solution and given new technology would not need to stress about how old they were. But I hope the “next” battery technology comes along soon. There are so many things we are trying that are not really cost effective now that are going to suddenly be possible.
 
Basic things Tesla can’t even do.

You gotta be pretty rich to beta test these expensive electric cars.

I’m looking forward to an electric car that isn’t so flashy but has good range, fast charging, and reliability for a decent price. The Toyota of electric cars. Don’t need so many bells and whistles that just break, like putting motorized things that slide in and out everywhere with 17 cameras and a million quirks and features like custom hidden company Easter eggs injection molded into every nook and cranny. Yes I watch a lot of Doug Demuro videos.

I value function and reliability above all else, but it should look somewhat nice. Electric cars could be so much more simple because of their nature. Looking forward to advances in technology with batteries that are easier to swap.
nio cars have swappable battery already, it takes 3-5 mins when you park in the swap station.
 
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