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Super chargers is #1. That infrastructure is far from being met by any other EV manufacturer.
That's a really good point.

When I was thinking about getting one the first thing I did was look at my snowboard trip routes and see where the Super Chargers were so I could figure out how much of an inconvenience it may be.

I still see big rigs purposely blocking them along I-95 in the North East.
 
I test drove a friends Lucid - better built than Tesla for sure but the software is really bad in comparison. It’s much more like a traditional car which I personally don’t like.

I was actually quite shocked when I saw the software. However what’s greart is that the windows don’t squeak like my teslas.
Depends on when you drove the Lucid. They are dropping software improvements constantly. My digital key works like a charm , range estimator and charging stops in Nav are now exactly spot on, doors present without issue, 360 view is stunning and a great help for parking. Lane centering works perfectly. Its still got a bit to go but its very solid.
 
Basic things Tesla can’t even do.

You gotta be pretty rich to beta test these expensive electric cars.

I’m looking forward to an electric car that isn’t so flashy but has good range, fast charging, and reliability for a decent price. The Toyota of electric cars.
I have a Toyota electric car! So far, pretty reliable. Rare as hen’s teeth, though. I like its wireless CarPlay very much, but in their wisdom, Toyota have not enabled the integration with Apple Maps that will figure out the charge points on your route. Which is a shame.

Range and efficiency is up there. Just bear in mind that if you want a very long range, you need a very big battery which can take much longer to charge at home. Mine gives me a real world range in the winter months of about 210 miles, which is ok for the kind of driving I do.
 
Integration, ease of use, audio quality/switching between app sources, and most of all, choice. Can't use Apple Maps (no share ETA, etc), Waze, Audible, Overcast, etc..
Only thing missing is Waze, rest is not that big of deal. Apple Maps? Build-in nav is more than good enough.
 
There’s maybe one person on Macrumors who is close to being able to afford a Lucid Air.



Edit: My apologies to all the landlords we have here in our group. Please don’t raise my rent!
I am doubling your rent on my beachside property.

But not a Lucid buyer. I don't think they are going to last too long.
 
The charging network isn’t a part of the car. It’s a reason to buy a Tesla over the lucid, sure, but it doesn’t make it a “better electric car”
'better electric car' includes all aspects of a car, including the fact that it's electric, therefore, needs to be charged when going on the road.
 
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The charging network isn’t a part of the car. It’s a reason to buy a Tesla over the lucid, sure, but it doesn’t make it a “better electric car”
I would disagree. Charging is something you frequently do, and the non-Tesla charging systems have more issues. A lot of time, their chargers are down, broken, slow, busy, have too few stalls, or are located in inconvenient locations.

With Tesla, the charging is completely integrated into the car's software. From pre-heating the battery for fast charge when you tell the nav to "Navigate to Supercharger", warning you that you need to add a stop while navigating because of changing weather conditions, to suggesting alternate routing, decreasing the car's power output to ensure you get to a charger with adequate reserves, and automated billing tied to the car so you do not have to scan a card. Then there is the fact that Tesla has far more locations to charge, and their locations have much larger numbers of chargers, with some having 80+ chargers.

So to me, the charging and other software-based services are integrated as much with the mechanical parts of the car as the Apple UI and utilities are tied to the processor, displays, and other components on a Macbook or iPhone. Just like Apple, it's the entire integrated package that makes the difference.
 
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I’m so torn on electric cars, once you’ve heard a Lamborghini V12 with aftermarket exhaust echoing off of buildings as it roars down Sunset Blvd, cars that all sound like my vacuum just don’t do it for me, no matter how fast they can accelerate.
You're the guy who said no one MacRumors could afford an electric car, now you are talking about a Lamborghini?
 
i wouldn't know, since they are only available in europe and asia right now. they said they have plans to expand into north america, but the current political atmosphere isn't looking too good.
Maybe this battery swapping makes sense in very densely populated areas where people are living in high rise apartments with no place at home to charge. I can't see it being a popular alternative for the average American who lives in a home and can have a charger. Most people I know with EV's do 95% of their charging at home, and when they leave the house typically have a full charge everyday.
If you are taking a road trip in a Tesla, stopping every 4 or 5 hours for a 15 minute charge is not a big deal. Normally you need to have lunch or a bathroom break anyway. You could spend that much time or more swapping out a battery.
 
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I would disagree. Charging is something you frequently do, and the non-Tesla charging systems have more issues. A lot of time, their chargers are down, broken, slow, busy, have too few stalls, or are located in inconvenient locations.
This will be made largely irrelevant once Tesla opens up its network to other cars.

With Tesla, the charging is completely integrated into the car's software. From pre-heating the battery for fast charge when you tell the nav to "Navigate to Supercharger", warning you that you need to add a stop while navigating because of changing weather conditions, to suggesting alternate routing, decreasing the car's power output to ensure you get to a charger with adequate reserves

Yeah I guess this is a nice aspect. The software definitely seems to be considerably ahead of current competitors. This really is separate from the "charging network" argument though - at least the software is actually *in* the car.

Otherwise, is there any other argument other than “charging network”? That’s honestly a really weak argument to me for “better electric car”. I’m kind of disappointed, I was hoping for a more cogent argument.
 
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'better electric car' includes all aspects of a car, including the fact that it's electric, therefore, needs to be charged when going on the road.

Yes, a gas car also needs to refeulled when going on the road. It doesn’t make a Civic better than a Camry. The refuelling aspect is a completely separate consideration from the actual performance characteristics of the car.
 
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Yes, a gas car also needs to refeulled when going on the road. It doesn’t make a Civic better than a Camry. The refuelling aspect is a completely separate consideration from the actual performance characteristics of the car.
Not if Camry only takes a certain type of gas that only exists in 5% of gas station where as Civid has all the gas stations mapped out along the way. I would say that's pretty relevant.
 
This will be made largely irrelevant once Tesla opens up its network to other cars.



Yeah I guess this is a nice aspect. The software definitely seems to be considerably ahead of current competitors. This really is separate from the "charging network" argument though - at least the software is actually *in* the car.

Otherwise, is there any other argument other than “charging network”? That’s honestly a really weak argument to me for “better electric car”. I’m kind of disappointed, I was hoping for a more cogent argument.
Tesla is not opening up all chargers. It's opening up selected ones and some new ones they are installing. So if you drive down I-95, it could be 20 or 30% of time you can use Tesla chargers but rest you still need to rely on others. That is relevant.

'charging network' is literally one of top reasons to go with Tesla, not sure why you are minimizing the importance. Hate Tesla all you want, their SC can't be beat.
 
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Not if Camry only takes a certain type of gas that only exists in 5% of gas station where as Civid has all the gas stations mapped out along the way. I would say that's pretty relevant.

That's still not a concern - gas stations also have different grades of petrol and some cars take only some.

At the end of the day, petrol is petrol - it doesn't define the driving characteristics.

Seriously why are people so obsessed with this argument? They don't even try to present another one. It's kind of annoying, I'm genuinely looking for a good reason why the Model Y is better in driving dynamics than the Lucid Air, and everyone keeps repeating the same point ad nauseam. Give me more points.
 
Tesla is not opening up all chargers. It's opening up selected ones and some new ones they are installing. So if you drive down I-95, it could be 20 or 30% of time you can use Tesla chargers but rest you still need to rely on others. That is relevant.

'charging network' is literally one of top reasons to go with Tesla, not sure why you are minimizing the importance. Hate Tesla all you want, their SC can't be beat.
I'm not interested in "minimizing the importance". I'm not hating the Tesla. What is it with all the Tesla fanboys here, I am looking for other reasons.

I literally OWN a Model Y, I'm not interested in this same point again and again. Give me something related to the driving dynamics. Come on, stop being so defensive. Is there really no other reason the Model Y is a "better electric car" than the Lucid Air?
 
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Tesla is not opening up all chargers. It's opening up selected ones and some new ones they are installing. So if you drive down I-95, it could be 20 or 30% of time you can use Tesla chargers but rest you still need to rely on others. That is relevant.

'charging network' is literally one of top reasons to go with Tesla, not sure why you are minimizing the importance. Hate Tesla all you want, their SC can't be beat.
Some EV cars need to take up 2 Tesla parking spaces. That will drive Tesla owners mad.
 
Maybe this battery swapping makes sense in very densely populated areas where people are living in high rise apartments with no place at home to charge. I can't see it being a popular alternative for the average American who lives in a home and can have a charger. Most people I know with EV's do 95% of their charging at home, and when they leave the house typically have a full charge everyday.
If you are taking a road trip in a Tesla, stopping every 4 or 5 hours for a 15 minute charge is not a big deal. Normally you need to have lunch or a bathroom break anyway. You could spend that much time or more swapping out a battery.
i think your math is off, 15 mins gets you maybe 200 miles from supercharger, unless you drive at constant 40-50 mph you won't make it in 4-5 hours. with most us highway have a min speed of 45mph, i don't think you can even go that slow. the correct interval you should be basing off is 30-35 mins, thats the normal time it takes for my model y to go from 20-80% assuming you pre condition your battery and everything.

i used to live in a high rise condo, most of my neighbors would love to get a tesla but the lack of charging infrasctuture ultimately pushed them away, having the ability to battery swap is a game changer for alot of folks in the city.
 
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