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Looks like a strong upgrade for the 2018 iPad. Looking forward to mine arriving on Friday. I am particularly interested in the improvement that Centerstage means for Facetime/Zoom...
 
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example. screenshot of the reddit guys video and a photo i just took of my OLED TV (with iPhone 12 Pro Max). i was going to highlight it but it's clear as day. the mini led is glowing up pixels that are meant to be dark. the OLED is only lighting up the bottle itself.

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Yep noticeable difference while OLED reproduce an accurate contrast between the bottle reflection and black background. Also the red caps on the OLED looks way better and neutral compared to blown-out highlighted ones on Mini LED.

You just can't cheat true self-lit display. Every now and then, the weird blooming will catch up.
 
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Because you’re talking about informations OLED gives while I’m talking about what we can see. The two is different. Easy to experiment as well. Just turn down brightness on your OLED and you will see you see it less and less despite its being the same screen. Same principle.

What we can see is blooming, which means the image is being degraded because of the backlight. Since there's blooming, it isn't providing the same range an OLED does at even the minimum 540 nits... let alone today's current 900 nits in OLEDs.
 
Because you’re talking about informations OLED gives while I’m talking about what we can see. The two is different. Easy to experiment as well. Just turn down brightness on your OLED and you will see you see it’s detail less and less despite its being the same screen with same spec. Same principle.
People just have in their heads that OLED is always better. Thats just the case.
 
example. screenshot of the reddit guys video and a photo i just took of my OLED TV (with iPhone 12 Pro Max). i was going to highlight it but it's clear as day. the mini led is glowing up pixels that are meant to be dark. the OLED is only lighting up the bottle itself.

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on the oled you almost cant see the colour of the drink inside the bottle..but the most important please, tell that guy who made this comp...to show the same distance...the right bottles are closer and the focus is more relevant here...Thank you so much guys
 
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HDR isn't about brightness.

HDR is about the combined effect of brightness PLUS darkness (creating contrast) -- or, the difference between the minimum brightness and the maximum darkness. I mean, it's even described in the name... high DYNAMIC RANGE.

OLEDs brightness on black is 0 - nil - making the contrast infinite. For comparisons sake, they often attribute the B specs maximum value of 0.0005 nits of black to it. With a minimum of 540 nits on the brightest end, you end up with contrast that's 20x higher than the best LCD displays at 1,080,000:1... and OLEDs are much brighter than 540 now... and again to reiterate, the brightness of black on an OLED being literally 0 makes the contrast infinite, it can't be quantified in the LCD contrast ratio sense.

In other words, your statement about "HDR movies and tv shows will look much more poppy and impressive than they ever would on an OLED" isn't just false, it's impossible. This screen doesn't even qualify for the high contrast spec for HDR, it just happens to be the best of the high nit spec.

It is absolutely better in an iPad than an OLED would be, but for image retention reasons. You can get in excess of 1000 nits peak brightness in an OLED, today - iPhone 12 happens to be one of those peaking at 1200. That isn't the challenge. If not image retention, then there must be too much waste on a single sheet of glass when cut down to however many 13" screens they'd need.
I know it’s about dynamic range. Just because OLED technically has infinite contrast doesn’t mean it will always look better than a display that has a better range of deep darks to bright peaks.

By your logic an OLED display that has a range from 0 nits to 100 nits peak would be better than a MiniLED that goes from 10 nits to 2000 nits peak. Because the contrast is calculated from the black leven; sure the OLED has infinite contrast and the MiniLED would not, so it sounds like it would be better. However, clearly in this extreme example a MiniLED would be the far superior and more impressive display.

Besides HDR is also about color space and OLED in many cases lags behind LED when it comes to color volume. Top end LEDs can have 5-10% more color volume than top OLEDS which means much more vivid colors.

Look, I have two OLED TVs at home and I love them and they’re great. However, OLED isn’t the perfect solution in every case.

I can guarantee you that this MiniLED iPad is going to look better while watching a movie in the garden this summer than an OLED version would ever be able to achieve.

The perception of pure blacks is also influenced by ambient light levels; in normal lighting or outside the MiniLED will look to your eyes as perfectly black as an OLED would, while achieving much higher brightness. End result: the perceived contrast ratio will be vastly higher than it would’ve been on an OLED. Except in a dark room.

Also the bigger the OLED panel the Harder it is to achieve good peak brightness, just because an iPhone goes high doesn’t mean the iPad would. Also 1000 typical brightness 1500 peak is significantly more than 800 typical and 1200 peak for the iPhone.
 
What? The new iPad especially the 12.9” is a huge leap. What other company is shipping a tablet with a processor that out performs the current 16 inch MacBook Pro? Also;
1. Mini LED screen
2. 5G
3. Wi-Fi 6
3.Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40Gb/s)
4. New and better front facing cameras than ALL current macs’s and previous generation iPads
5. M1 first 5nm processor that is 50% faster than the previous generation, sips power.
6. More RAM
7. Faster and larger storage options.

What exactly should they have done to impress you?
Cure cancer and end COVID. Now that’ll be a worthy upgrade.
 
you could/can NOT buy the ipad pro until WWDC....you can buy this new ipad pro even after WWDC...woooow, and decide for yourself if it will actually gain capabilities in ipadOS or not...jesus
There is no awkwardness for people, YOU dont have to decide until WWDC...Apple isnt force you to do anything
Exactly what I did. Why are you hostile?
 
Ok -- but it doesn't. It doesn't even provide more visual information than the minimum HDR spec an OLED had to follow in 2016, which current OLEDs far exceed. I don't know what's confusing about that.
Believe he’s telling you that OLED meeting the HDR spec and providing “more visual information” (a somewhat artificially-boosted statement since it’s based on a purer black) is pointless when the end user needs actual light output, not just a differential between pure black and some weaker light output, to be able to see details.
 
Wonder how apple let this slip through ha…
Yah, how did it slip past the Apple embargo when only the media/press/YouTubers were supposed to receive them before the public release ??

Who the heck is Nebraska Furniture Mart - do they have an Apple store inside ?

How did they get them early ???
 
I really think WWDC/iOS 15 will bring a whole new level of software with these major improvements taking place with hardware.

mini led, more ram, contrast ratio, center stage etc all serve a purpose. Any one of those features on their own wouldn’t really signal anything major.. but altogether= True pro usage. Whether that means external monitor support, pro apps, enabling iPadOS to utilize more RAM at once than iOS can.. something is coming.
 
I’m about to order the white magic Keyboard for it, but I’d like to see hands on reviews to see how it holds up to wear
 
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Yep these new iPads Pros are a no-brainer upgrade for pretty much everyone. Even if you bought the 2020 version, you're going to want in on these new models.
Yep these new iPads Pros are a no-brainer upgrade for pretty much everyone. Even if you bought the 2020 version, you're going to want in on these new models.

Two month lead times on new orders now. Not bad for a product I was recently told on here wouldn't be in high demand, and there would be plenty of stock to go around. :D

You must own apple stock.
 
Yep these new iPads Pros are a no-brainer upgrade for pretty much everyone. Even if you bought the 2020 version, you're going to want in on these new models.

Two month lead times on new orders now. Not bad for a product I was recently told on here wouldn't be in high demand, and there would be plenty of stock to go around. :D

Imagine being fortunate enough that you believe this privileged thought process applies to "pretty much everyone".
 
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Yah, how did it slip past the Apple embargo when only the media/press/YouTubers were supposed to receive them before the public release ??

Who the heck is Nebraska Furniture Mart - do they have an Apple store inside ?

How did they get them early ???
NFM also sells electronics. Retail stores have to receive the products a few days before the release date, otherwise how will they be able to sell them on day 1 or ship them to customers so that they don't wait?
 
would you guys expect the mini led on this device to be the same mini led on the upcoming macbook pro 14"/16"?
 
Yah, how did it slip past the Apple embargo when only the media/press/YouTubers were supposed to receive them before the public release ??

Who the heck is Nebraska Furniture Mart - do they have an Apple store inside ?

How did they get them early ???
NFM is apparently a retail chain stores in the MidWest. My guess is kind of like IKEA but with electronic goodies.
 
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