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M1 Max Chip May Have More Raw GPU Performance Than a PlayStation 5
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The good news is that most AAA games all share the same 3rd party engine, so Apple just needs to convince that company to port that 3D game engine to Apple. They don't even have to optimize it - they could use the existing translation layer that maps the Vulcan API to Metal.
And of course, that 3D engine is the Unreal engine, made by Epic.
Uh... Err.... Oh oh...
Dissipates suggests that the heat has been generated in the first instance and that the cooling system is actually working less effectively by “dissipating 70% less heat”.
We need to be talking about the source…using/ utilising 70% less power/ energy is the correct term.
Way to miss the point entirely. There are more to gaming than the AAA 8K 120FPS ULTRA SPEC!!!! crowd.
Testing conducted by Apple in August and September 2021 using preproduction 16-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 Max, 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, and 64GB of RAM, and preproduction 16-inch MacBook Pro systems with Apple M1 Pro, 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, and 32GB of RAM. Performance measured using select industry‑standard benchmarks. Discrete PC laptop graphics performance data from testing Lenovo Legion 5 (82JW0012US). High-end discrete PC laptop graphics performance data from testing MSI GE76 Raider (11UH-053). PC compact pro laptop performance data from testing Razer Blade 15 Advanced (RZ09-0409CE53-R3U1). Performance tests are conducted using specific computer systems and reflect the approximate performance of MacBook Pro.
And, shock horror, if something is twice as efficient….it’s likely it can produce the same performance (tf) using only half the power (watts).
We’ll add you to the same group who said Apple couldn’t provide the same performance of an i9 at 1/3 of the power.
Performance = how much work done in a specified time.
If TFLOPs is how you measure performance, then it doesn't matter how much power you use.
If two different graphics card have the same number of TFLOPs but there is a difference in performance, then TFLOPs doesn't measure performance.
Assuming TFLOP is a good measurement of graphics performance and M1 Max can reach 10 TFLOPs, it will do so consuming significantly less energy than PS5.
It sounds like 100 km/h doesn't mean that it can actually go that fast.
Either the car can travel at 100 km/h or not. Doesn't matter how much gas or battery power it uses.
Either the GPU can perform 10.4 TFLOPs or not. Doesn't matter how much energy it uses.
If a GPU can't perform 10.4 TFLOPs for whatever reasons, then it isn't a 10.4 TFLOPs performing GPU.
Not sure the pics of heatsinks tells much of a story, given we we see the fanless M1 Macbook Air killing larger Intel Macs/PCs with huge/noisy fans.
Go back and have a look at the forum threads post release of the M1 last year. I see you repeating the same arguments as other posters did back then….
“No way is it possible for a 15W mobile processor to beat a core i9 at 60W” was a common argument.
“There’s no way a mobile chip can deliver sustained performance of x86”. Lol.
“Look at their graphs, they don’t even mention what they’re comparing to”, yet they did at the bottom of the product pages just like they have again this time.
Not only did Apple achieve their stated performance, they actually undersold and over-delivered.
Stage 1 of the Kübler-Ross model…denial.
It’s a laptop, with a 120hz screen. If you want to play in your living room, buy a console.
This thread is comparing them to the PS5, silly. And besides, your comment offers no value. There’s no reason why they couldn’t have included an HDMI 2.1 port so you can do Mac gaming connected to a TV at higher frame rates than just 60Hz and with VRR
They’re in demand for crypto mining, not gaming.
This 8x RTX 3090 machine makes $128,000 per year:
10 x GeForce RTX 3090 cards liquid + mineral oil cooled crypto rigs
10 x NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 graphics cards + 3 x 1600W PSUs, mineral oil cooled = craziest mining rig in the world EVER.
www.tweaktown.com
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I agree….it’s like the same people who keep complaining that there’s no bootcamp on Apple Silicon devices. Apple’s own data showed that less than 1% of it’s users used bootcamp.
I didn’t buy Apple for games or running Windows. There’s way cheaper options for that.
Spoiler alert:
In the simplest way possible, the next Mac Pro will, in basic terms, have four M1Maxes tethered together.
32 performance Cores and 128 GPU cores
Maybe it’s a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. We chose Macs despite knowing the limitations and made the conscious decision to not be able to game on the platform. And while the option to is always welcome, frankly missing, I don’t miss it, and I am fine with no decent games ever coming to the Mac, because that’s what my iPad and Nintendo switch are for.
I m impressed with the power of this laptop. I want one. But, think that this laptop can steal a substantial amount of game users from windows is nonsense. What do you think will be the market share from this machines? 2 or 3% maybe? A AAA game costs 80 to 150 million to make. RDR2 costed around 500 million to make. Will not be enough market share to justify the costs to produces AAA games for this. Metal is a proprietary API from apple. If at least Apple could move from it to vulkan I could believe that would be possible we see AAA games to macs
I bet all those PS5 owners feel really stupid now. They could have spent $3000 more for a computer that plays zero games except for the ones they already have on their phones. Checkmate console gamers.
