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M1 Ultra Doesn't Beat Out Nvidia's RTX 3090 GPU Despite Apple's Charts
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Elden Ring doesn't run on a Mac. Are you running it on Boot Camp? Or just a PC?
I don't see the relevance if you aren't even using a Mac.
Because it will never work. Would I rather spend $4,000 on a Mac Studio, or $2,500 on a custom built gaming PC which has a FULL catalog of Windows-only games? I have 400+ games on my Steam account in Windows.
Apple will just waste their money, that game will get so few sales. It might barely increase marketshare of Macs but it would not be worth it. And Apple knows it.
I didn't respond to you. Please look at my response in the context of what I quoted.
"Some people have to run games on ultra settings. Some people are okay with medium. Some people want 4K. Some people are okay with 1080p"
Or the next Mac Pro with AS will have the capability of proprietary modules with discrete Apple Silicon GPU's, with significantly more cores and discrete memory.
I don't think they can just get by with these and just quadruple the M1 Max, because then the max memory is still 256gb.
Or maybe they will just be multiple modules of these.
You're just getting into the chicken and egg rabbit hole, tbh. You could say the same thing about Apple TV+. Why would anybody want to subscribe to Apple TV+ when it first started? And with so few potential subscribers, why would Apple want to waste all that money?
It always takes a lot of initial investment to get things rolling and with Apple wanting to get into VR, gaming is the kingmaker. The continual ignoring of gaming will be much to their detriment.
This just proves that you can‘t compete with dedicated graphics. Discrete graphics are great in low power laptops but they just can’t compete in intense graphics. Lucky for Apple most users don’t need that much power.
Sorry I got mixed up by the avatar for some reason! No it is you that is confused. Please read my post and understand the context. I don't want to fully spell it out. You are saying people are just fine with medium settings, and I responded that it is why the gaming on mac talk is ridiculous because people keep saying Apple NEEDS.....NEEDS NVIDIA in order for gaming to work. They NEED the 3080s and 3090s in order for gaming to work. Elden Ring can run very well on macOS if its ported because it runs just fine on a 1080 GPU.
Apple TV + is competing with dozens of streaming services vs the three behemoth gaming companies. So it is actually better in that regard with the number of competitors. And Apple TV + is not gated to Mac or Apple only products where a macOS game would.
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For me this doesn’t really matter. What I take from it all is that it is pretty darned good and probably the best GPU embedded in a CPU. And it will only get better from here. In the end the best part is that we will not have to consider GPU performance on future chips as they improve with every new iteration. You just get pretty darned good graphics performance without having to think too hard about it, and that’s fine by me.
The Ferraris for racing are not the same Ferraris people are buying to drive around town. The people buying them to drive around town aren‘t usually driving them anymore aggressively than a Toyota owner. They can, from time to time, open them up, but just like most computers the excess performance sits idle while burning more fuel for the same tasks. Do I care that the new macs are energy efficient? Not really. It’s nice for my MacBook Pro, but what I do care about is this is the fastest ARM-based Mac I can buy at the moment. And I’m not going to get bent out of shape because an inaccurate GeekBench score says it is not as fast as a GPU on a platform I’m not in the market for.
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English probably isn't your first language. You probably wanted to say you did respond to me, but typed "didn't". And reading what you wrote, I thought you meant you were responding to someone else (because you have been replying to multiple people).
But really, you didn't respond to my question. What's your rig? Are you running Elden Ring on a PC? You never really answered my question.
If you're playing games on a PC, it's really irrelevant what your rig is. A game has to be optimized for Macs for it to run smoothly, i.e., the Metal engine. The fact that you're running it on GTX 1080 has no bearing on the discussion. I play tons of games, including Metro Exodus, which runs on both platforms, and the experience between Mac and PC is significant. Metro Exodus just runs better on a PC. It just goes to show optimization for Metal is everything when it comes to gaming on the Mac.
You're assuming just because you can play certain games on GTX 1080, that these games will run fine on a Mac. It's just not true.
Apple TV+ is gated to Apple TV+, e.g., you can't watch Ted Lasso on Netflix. Your analogy fails.
And there are really only five major players in streaming besides Apple, i.e., Netflix, Amazon (Prime Video), Disney, Hulu, and HBO. It's not "dozens". Your example fails once again.
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Do you know me? English is my first language, really my only language. So don't make assumption about people, okay?
You are completely missing my point and it is the exact same point you are making. Why are you fighting me on this when its the same thing! People talk non stop about gaming on macs "3080 this, 3090 that, Mac Pro doesn't have NVIDIA" blah blah blah but the reality is not everyone plays at 4K. THEREFORE, Macs can play games just fine at 1440p or 1080p resolution and medium settings. It doesn't need to be MAX MAX MAX. And you literally said the same thing I am saying.
Yes me running the game at 1080p on my GTX 1080 is indeed directly in line with the conversation at hand - as it is an addition to your post "people are just fine with medium settings, 1080p resolution".
To answer your main question - I have a i7-5820k, 16GB of RAM and GTX 1080 as a gaming system. I have another newer system but use it mostly for development work.
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It doesn't require MACS or IOS devices. Please PLEASE follow along for ONE minute will you? I literally said this in my post.
"And Apple TV + is not gated to Mac or Apple only products where a macOS game would."
I can watch Apple TV+ on my Windows computer right now. No Apple hardware product. To play a macOS exclusive game I need a Mac.
You're extrapolating your gaming experience on a PC to that on a Mac. That's what I have problems with.
You also misunderstood when I made the comment about people's preferences. It was meant to highlight the importance of context and personal choice. And really, I was meant to say there is an objective standard, which is benchmarks. And whether people run games on 4K or 1080p is irrelevant to the gist of the article. So I'm literally not saying what you're saying.
Yes you are. You literally said some people prefer playing in medium settings, some people prefer 4K, others run fine on lower resolutions........
I basically said ME TO! and said what I am running.
Now.....please follow along shall we? You said this
"Some people have to run games on ultra settings. Some people are okay with medium. Some people want 4K. Some people are okay with 1080p."
I basically said I agree, Elden Ring on a GTX 1080 and 1080p resolution.....What was the LAST FEW WORDS you said?
"People are okay with 1080p." I responded that I am okay with 1080p and provided an example.......So yes, you are literally saying the same thing. And that is why I have a major problem with any gaming discussions because the M1 Pro+ processors are shown to be better than the GTX 1080s but no people only want the 3090s on Macs.
Your reading comprehension is really terrible, mate.
We were talking about whether Apple, as a company, should invest in something. Your brain is still stuck on platforms. Platforms are irrelevant when it comes to streaming, because streaming by its very nature is platform-agnostic. The analogy with gaming should be based on market share.
People don't buy Mac for gaming because there are very few AAA games on a Mac.
Apple shouldn't get into streaming because they have very few good shows on Apple TV+.
Do you get it? OMG.
Apple is heavily investing in gaming with the VR and AR technologies they have been incorporating at the OS level. I believe their shift away from Intel was to give them they power they need to take games to the next level. They are no longer at the mercy of Intel’s pace.
In the Pro markets Macs were becoming an also ran and developer were not keeping feature on par with their windows programs. Once Apple released their own capable pro software like Final Cut Pro or Logic Pro, those same developers were suddenly announcing they are refocusing on their Mac Development.
But you are advocating for Apple to spend A LOT of money on a platform exclusive game WHILE comparing it to streaming services which are platform agnostic.