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Mac Haters

Mac haters and Mac worshippers are equally pathetic. Just saying. It's not a religion... it's a product.

Me? I'm a consumer. I'll buy whatever's "better" in my eyes. Right now, MBPs offer a combination of slim size + simplistic design + adequate performance + decent build quality that no PC can match. However, if PCs somehow manage to cram a Thinkpad W520 or HP Elitebook 8560w into a 1 inch thick notebook, without sacrificing build quality, they've got my next paycheck.

And being the owner of 2 iPhones and 2 iPod touches, I think Androids have the iPhone in a death grip as far as products go. I need a new phone by the end of this year. Make it happen Apple, or HTC's taking your money.

Actually you can have $300 for the new iPod I'm going to buy. Still got the market on lock there. Though I might get a Shuffle instead this time.
 
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I guess I should have clarified, I'm definitely going Mac and never looking back. My opinion is that Mac OS is great out of the box, and continues to be great and windows need third party apps, drivers, etc in order to be good, not even great.

Plus windows computers I feel aren't even engineered well, I saw a i3 dual core with low voltage and a 17" screen. What a waste! What a big screen for a small processor that prolly can't handle much gaming or rendering. It was just a sales scam by making the outside look fancy but saying ***** it to the actual performance of the machine. Apple doesn't do that


2hvy4grvty said:
Mac haters and Mac worshippers are equally pathetic. Just saying. It's not a religion... it's a product.

Me? I'm a consumer. I'll buy whatever's "better" in my eyes. Right now, MBPs offer a combination of slim size + simplistic design + adequate performance + decent build quality that no PC can match. However, if PCs somehow manage to cram a Thinkpad W520 or HP Elitebook 8560w into a 1 inch thick notebook, without sacrificing build quality, they've got my next paycheck.

And being the owner of 2 iPhones and 2 iPod touches, I think Androids have the iPhone in a death grip as far as products go. I need a new phone by the end of this year. Make it happen Apple, or HTC's taking your money.

Actually you can have $300 for the new iPod I'm going to buy. Still got the market on lock there. Though I might get a Shuffle instead this time.
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Doubt it, windows manufacturers are usually never ahead of the game, and when they do, it's just awkward. Google "Asus Padphone" it's a combo of both being awkward and being late to the game


flat five said:
do you work at a post office by any chance?
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Nope, I work at my colleges library as a computer guy, and I also work at a thrift store lol. Amazing I know


In also don't like haters, and I wouldn't even really consider myself a windows hater, but it definitely gets annoying when you grew up on the windows side of the street and you switch to a Mac and you get comments about stuff like "oh you just dont know how to use a PC correctly" or "you're overpaying for a cheaper computer". And yes even though I know it's not a religion, I think what you pick is definitely part of your personality
 
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I do hope you realize the workmanship of PC business lines are far superior to that of Apples? I mean... come on, internal roll cages for Christ's sake! Durability is on another level entirely.

I'm not sure, did you just call Androids a "windows manufacturer"? Or did that refer to something else?

Sony successfully adopted a mainstream eGPU solution (albeit not at affordable prices), where's Apple at? Apple hasn't touched SLI/CF setups in either notebook or desktop solutions; get there! Enthusiasts are waiting eagerly with blank checks! And why the hell is the desktop iMac running a mobile card? Get better cooling damnit.

And I fancy that Thinkpad "nipple" tbh. Won't look great, but it's pretty useful. And they've got the X220, which is a pretty cool notebook/tablet with top notch build quality, great keyboard, small size and weight.

Apple's got world class design, but they take some manufacturing paths that us Apple users sometime disagree with wholeheartedly, but can't do anything about it. e.g. why the hell do the base 15" models have no option for a graphics upgrade? Because it forces users to cough up $400 for what essentially is a gfx upgrade, packaged with a bunch of things they don't need (marginal CPU upgrade... HDD). That's a genius economic model from their perspective, and an utter slap in the face to us consumers. But hey, it worked; I bit. 4 Bens for Apple.

What Apple is truly great at is perfecting another company's idea. Slim? Definitely not Apple's idea, but they did it correctly. MP3s? Well that's a part of history now. And smartphones, ho ho ho!
 
I don't hate PC's, just Microsoft. Especially when it comes to caring for their customers, Apple comes out way ahead. I remember hearing from someone who has worked at both Apple and Microsoft also that when Apple has a meeting, when the engineers come in there is a silence in the room, however when Microsoft has a meeting, they don't even invite the engineers, and they just throw ideas around for more features. IMO this is the reason why Apple is better at what they do than Microsoft. Most Windows users don't even know about 1/2 of the processes running in the background, much less use them. They just use processing power and RAM.
 
playingthehero said:
People who hate on Macs are usually A) people who cant afford them or B) are jealous that you have one. Just my experience with that battle.
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My experience in that battle is that them arguments are utter rubbish. People hate because they don't want their precious world of tech to go falling down at the feet of Apple and vice versa. only the minority are jealous.
 
kyle1320 said:
I don't hate PC's, just Microsoft. Especially when it comes to caring for their customers, Apple comes out way ahead. I remember hearing from someone who has worked at both Apple and Microsoft also that when Apple has a meeting, when the engineers come in there is a silence in the room, however when Microsoft has a meeting, they don't even invite the engineers, and they just throw ideas around for more features. IMO this is the reason why Apple is better at what they do than Microsoft. Most Windows users don't even know about 1/2 of the processes running in the background, much less use them. They just use processing power and RAM.
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I had a friend who knew somebody....
Cmon, this post is rubbish. Why should a user care what's running in the background?
are you saying every Mac user is so well schooled they understand what the OS is doing?
 
bruinsrme said:
I had a friend who knew somebody....
Cmon, this post is rubbish. Why should a user care what's running in the background?
are you saying every Mac user is so well schooled they understand what the OS is doing?
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1. Unnecessary background processes just eat up processing power and RAM that could be used for other applications that are actually being used.
2. No, but there are certainly less unnecessary processes running in the background.

EDIT: I also remembered it was my uncle who said that.
 
I tell my friends a few things.
A.) you cant afford 1.
B.) my macs resell value is much higher then a pc.
C.) my mac will last longer then your pc
 
kyle1320 said:
1. Unnecessary background processes just eat up processing power and RAM that could be used for other applications that are actually being used.
2. No, but there are certainly less unnecessary processes running in the background.

EDIT: I also remembered it was my uncle who said that.
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Having i7 machines, I surely under utilize the processor and ram.

I am willing to bet the average Mac and pc owner is content with their out of the box set up.

Today processors and cheap ram afford both companies room for slop and inefficiency in their OSes.
 
I've got a macbook pro, an htc phone, an xbox and a bunch of sony mp3 players. Yet I still get called an apple worshipper. I guess you just can't please some people.
 
2hvy4grvty said:
I'm not sure, did you just call Androids a "windows manufacturer"? Or did that refer to something
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No I guess I should have clarified, what I meant was that it's really stupid and awkward when companies try to become the next Apple.

I dint mean to sound like a fanboy in all of this but I am definitely excited because one day my dad introduced me to Apples computers and after over a decade of windows use, I stopped and asked myself why I hadn't switched earlier. I love how innovative Applenis, they come out with hundreds ofnfeatures for their OS. Microsoft? Windows 7 had a handful, like the new side by side windows, a new dock bar, and an option to see your desktop by mousing over a small space. And all for about ~$100?
 
bruinsrme said:
Having i7 machines, I surely under utilize the processor and ram.

I am willing to bet the average Mac and pc owner is content with their out of the box set up.

Today processors and cheap ram afford both companies room for slop and inefficiency in their OSes.
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But spending the extra money on an i7 just so you don't have to worry about all the background processes running doesn't really make sense to me. Sure you also spend extra on a mac, but with a mac you certainly get what you pay for.
 
You won't be able to adequately defend your decision to purchase a Mac until you have bought one and used it for a few months. You can recite numbers and opinions that you read online, but your REAL defense will be when you can sit down with these scoffers, look them in the eye, and let them see how much you love your new computer and how you can't stop raving about it.

Honestly, two Windows users debating the quality of a Mac purchase is pointless and will be nothing but regurgitated talking points. Once you have real world experience, you will be able to shove it down their throats, to be frank about it. But as has been pointed out several times, it is a silly thing to debate, anyway.
 
jive turkey said:
You won't be able to adequately defend your decision to purchase a Mac until you have bought one and used it for a few months. You can recite numbers and opinions that you read online, but your REAL defense will be when you can sit down with these scoffers, look them in the eye, and let them see how much you love your new computer and how you can't stop raving about it.

Honestly, two Windows users debating the quality of a Mac purchase is pointless and will be nothing but regurgitated talking points. Once you have real world experience, you will be able to shove it down their throats, to be frank about it. But as has been pointed out several times, it is a silly thing to debate, anyway.
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You have a good point and I totally agree. I also know it's silly to argue about such things but I usually don't bring it up. It's people making passive comments about only going mac because it's "trendy" or how I mus not know anything about technology if I need a mac. It's kinda offensive and I just want a good counter argument ya know?
 
I'm forced to use windows (I work with ASP .NET), and virtualization is a no-go for me, so I use Bootcamp in a daily basis.

All I can say is, my MBP is the best Windows machine I've ever had. And to use it with osX in my free time is delightful.

You can argue all you want, but I'm more than happy with my MBP, and I really don't care about what others think about my machine. Sure, there are some nice PCs out there for a lot less money, but I don't mind spending a little extra bucks, to get exactly what I want.
 
playingthehero said:
People who hate on Macs are usually A) people who cant afford them or B) are jealous that you have one. Just my experience with that battle.

The answer that you can give them is that they hold resale value about 1000 times better then any freaking PC.

I like Macs because of the aesthetics of their products and the OS is much nicer. A nice equipped PC is nothing bad, just not my taste.
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That could be true sometimes however I personally own a 13inch MBP and several Thinkpads (IBM/Lenovo) also for work-use. As an IT Eng, I use them to help test systems without relying too much on virtual testing so that both PC and Mac users can interact without issue. If you love and can afford a Mac, then who cares what others think, it's your machine.

I'm a PC-biased user at the moment and I'll say that in terms of productivity and overall support, PC's have Macs beat without having to show up to the race. Microsoft has done an incredible job with Windows 7 that I've had several diehard Mac lovers switch to it.

Macs are indeed pretty products and OSX's user interface has been simplified enough that most people of all walks of skill levels can use it without issue.

However I've found OSX to be very cumbersome in terms of being able to do simple things quickly (using native, default configuration) like keyboard shortcut combinations on OSX simply don't make much sense and many of the 2 key combos in Win7 require 3 keys on a Mac. Switching between displays in Win7 is easy with Win+P to switch LCD Only, Duplicate, Extended, EXT only. OSX's interface isn't as simple as everything claims it to be, it does make some things simpler while other things aren't.

Keep in mind I'm not the type who feels I have to choose to hate Macs simply because I'm a PC-biased user, I own both and I enjoy using my MBP because it feels good typing on it. MBP's offer me freedom with excellent battery power and it does what I need it to do whereas on a PC I need to pack spare batteries or be tethered to an outlet.
 
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kyle1320 said:
But spending the extra money on an i7 just so you don't have to worry about all the background processes running doesn't really make sense to me. Sure you also spend extra on a mac, but with a mac you certainly get what you pay for.
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Yes the i5 was $22 less that the i7. In apple dollars that would be a $200 to $300 upgrade.
 
kyle1320 said:
I don't hate PC's, just Microsoft. Especially when it comes to caring for their customers, Apple comes out way ahead. I remember hearing from someone who has worked at both Apple and Microsoft also that when Apple has a meeting, when the engineers come in there is a silence in the room, however when Microsoft has a meeting, they don't even invite the engineers, and they just throw ideas around for more features. IMO this is the reason why Apple is better at what they do than Microsoft. Most Windows users don't even know about 1/2 of the processes running in the background, much less use them. They just use processing power and RAM.
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Odd, I could say the same about how I love Apple products but I hate the company.

What you said about Apple and Microsoft are hearsay. Being that I was contracted to work with Microsoft's .NET project, I got to work alongside their engineers, however when it comes to meetings, there's all kinds of meetings, some don't require engineers to be present especially if it involves sales and marketing and/or distribution. Meetings involving development projects, you will always see engineers present.

When I used to work for Apple between '04 to '06 on their networking team, I can say that Apple's meetings aren't much different except for when Mr. Jobs shows up and decides to micromanage everything. Apple does NOT care about their customer's input regarding products, it's their philosophy where they feel they should lead the way and they should tell you what's important and what you should have. Customer care regarding support issues is different, they are very good at what they do. As a company, Apple is as arrogant as it gets.
 
It's simple.
If you're buying a desktop, buy a PC.
If you're buying a laptop, buy a Mac.
 
There's a few retorts, but none of them are worthwhile for PC fanboys.

Despite the common ground (computers), Apple and Microsoft (usually at the core of this argument due to OS's) are completely different beasts.

Just hope and pray one of them has a 'Zune' :D Endless fun!

A friend once told me that even the most homophobic males are easily 'talked around'. I suspect this is the same for 99% of PC fanboys ;) [That they will use Apple, not the other 'option'!]
 
ThirtyThr33 said:
I need some stuff to back me up because I'm definitely not going back to a windows only computer. (bootcamp doesn't count)
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No you don't. Its your purchase so who cares? No offence but you shouldn't feel that you have to prove yourself to your friends like that. At the end of the day if you've done the research and you like the mac then go for it. I had a similar situation with my friends when I purchased my iMac and I explained to them that it was insulting my intelligence. I'm a student software developer and I've used computers for much of my life so for them to just barge in throwing about their advice and opinions as if I don't know the difference between RAM and a hard drive was pretty insulting to me, suggesting I couldn't actually make the decision alone.

So basically, tell them to **** off and enjoy their computers and you can enjoy yours.
 
ThirtyThr33 said:
I am an ex windows fanboy, and word has spread around my work and friends that I'm switching to a Mac. Long story short im getting a lot of hate for doing so and my friends keep pounding me with jokes and fact on windows and tryingnto get me to not buy a Mac. Any arguments you can give me to counter their shenanigans? I need some stuff to back me up because I'm definitely not going back to a windows only computer. (bootcamp doesn't count)
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If it's an issue for your friends what brand of computer you buy then you need new friends.
 
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