I would love to have that shirt; hilariously, it would be the exact opposite of how I felt a year ago.
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I would love to have that shirt; hilariously, it would be the exact opposite of how I felt a year ago.
Well they're just trying to rationalize why he should get a PC over a Mac computer. From being someone who has only used PCs for 17 years, I "ONLY" got my current macbook because I found it for a really great price and I got tired of using a netbook in college.
It's really hard to use one machine for x number of years and justify switching over or finding the right reasons to.
huh
If you want it buy it. What's the problem here ? My friends are still laughing bcos their custom PC's launch warcraft faster than my mini but so what 😎
If you want it buy it. What's the problem here ? My friends are still laughing bcos their custom PC's launch warcraft faster than my mini but so what 😎
63dot
macrumors 603
These days, with Macs looking more like PCs (no iMac and iBook colors or interesting shapes), and both running on an Intel platform, what is the big deal? Tell them that, plus Lion and Windows 8 will look more like each other than the Mac platform the the Windows platform ever did at any point.
Of course, I like Lion over Windows 8 and an Apple over a Dell or Gateway, but if anybody who belongs to the side which has a 95% percent share of desktops and laptops is pissed off that you are getting a Mac, then that is truly their problem.
I understand Mac enthusiasts who want to share, but I never understand the PC side. Yes, I like Windows 7 over Leopard and Snow Leopard, and I like the nice PC prices and larger software choices, but after all is considered (price, different OS's over time, software choice, industrial design, warranty/service, ease of use), the two are pretty close and it really comes down to personal preference and just tell them that your preference is for a Mac. Maybe they don't know you can also run Windows while they (officially, at least) don't also run OS X. 😱
At the prices these days, having come down both by increased technology per dollar and recession era pricing, one can get a laptop and desktop and easily have one be a Mac and other be a PC without breaking the bank like a "normal" $3,000 dollar basic desktop computer did in the old days. So many people have both platforms that it really doesn't matter if you "switch" to Apple.
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LizKat
macrumors 604
I get that, I do. But it's tiresome that we seem to fear criticism from others over changing our minds -- about anything, whether it's some political issue or some brand of computer or car. Whatever happened to saying "Hey, I thought about it, and this is what I decided. Period."
We don't seem to value open-mindedness (never mind ambiguity) any more. I sometimes wonder if that's a cumulative effect of years and years of having branded products pitched at us over the airwaves and now on the net as well. Must be clear. Must be a brand. Must be THIS brand. Here's why: yada yada yada. Buy this car drink this beer and you'll be able to bed this girl. Ai ai ai. Then we walk in the grocery store or the car showroom and we are confused. Nothing seems as clearcut as it did from the couch, staring at the screen... because nothing we see on television encourages us to think for ourselves. The only takeaway is that there is a clear choice and a list of reasons for it. The so-called reasons can be anything, and are often sheer nonsense. (And, once you are in that showroom or grocery store, where exactly are those promised girls, anyway...?)
Politicians often get caught up in this stuff, trying to justify a change of mind in terms of existing ideology (when that may not even be possible!) instead of just saying they took an open mind to the situation and came up with this or that decision. God forbid what they decide can't be reconciled to the talking points of the party. Ooooh! Flip flop!!!!
Oh well. Not being a politician, I find life too short to bother explaining everything I do to someone who watches and then wonders out loud why I did it. My answer is often enough the same one you give to a three year old kid who wants to know WHY WHY WHY does she have to put on the T-shirt by putting it over her head instead of stepping into it like it's a pair of pants... "B E C A U S E." 😱
So I still say to the OP to go ahead and buy the Mac and don't worry about justifying it. It's just a piece of gear. And a nice one!
Hey I completely agree with you man, 100 percent. Thats why, although i know I am slightly biased toward Mac computers, when people ask I always tell what I "like" about Macs (I'm pro mac most of the time, if they have the budget) after I find out what they want from a computer.
I never bash either platform though; most people make accusations about viruses, spyware, bloat, durability, etc. and all of those are variables that are completely dependent on the user. The chance of that variable happening however, is obviously different between each machine.
It's fine to offer your opinion on why you think something is better: cleaner UI, simple, does what I want; that's all great and good to offer as long as everyone knows that you're just stating your opinion, not trying to push that belief onto another person.
If you want the Mac, get the Mac. Two of my friends, brothers, both have a house full of Macs. They like them, however it wasn't until my best friend got a MBP last year for college that I really thought about getting one. The former friends were the ones that would just get a Mac because of the brand; not doing anything other than surf the net and use word composition. They both got the macs as grad presents; I have no problem with this, but they ONLY wanted the Mac for the brand.
Now my friend uses his for coding and actually does work with his. It was this actual want or usage of the OS itself that pulled me into taking the leap to getting one myself. I'm a power user; I use geektool, widgets, and a myriad of small, behinds the scenes applications to increase productivity.
Keyboard commands, spaces, expose, if the OS has it I've tried it. Everything but terminal that is 🙂 But yea, I tend to get off topic a bit, but basically if you get the Mac and actually try to use it, find out what's so "great" about it, maybe your friends will like it too. That seems to be what you want to do anyway, get it to try it, not just to show off or "have a MacBook".
10 bucks says you'll love it though.
munkery
macrumors 68020
Many viruses and worms do not depend on the user to be successful. Malware that is able to bypass UAC will covertly install without the user being involved.
But, I understand the point you are trying to make.
What are the chances of that happening? And would this just randomly happen while someone was browsing the web or any time? Site specific dangers?
Genuine questions, didn't know this 🙂
munkery
macrumors 68020
Depending on how TDL-4 is delivered to targets, it could potentially occur. Malware that links remote browser exploits with local privilege escalation exploits is not common but the demand for such malware was low prior to the introduction of UAC.
Could happen while just browsing the web. For example:
1. SEO poisoning to cause redirection to a maliciously crafted website.
2. Remote exploit hosted on website injects a payload into the browser process to execute the payload.
3. Payload includes a UAC bypass exploit to install the malware without the user's knowledge.
Without using SEO poisoning, the danger would most likely be isolated to the typical types of websites that host malware.
Could happen any time to a networked system (connected to internet) if the remote exploit targets a mandatorily exposed service and the payload includes a UAC bypass exploit. This is much less likely than the previous example.
I do not believe TDL-4 uses either of these vectors. At the moment, it relies on some degree of social engineering and more risky internet behavior on the part of the user.
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What OSs would be most susceptible to being infected?
And thanks for the information; I'm going to spend the next 30 or so minutes reading up on this 🙂
munkery
macrumors 68020
One of my previous posts already explains why Windows is much more susceptible to being infected.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/12830926/
I can't believe you guys are STILL talking about this. While you guys are busy protecting the OP's hurt feelings, others are using their Macs and PC's to create the next Facebook, foursquare, twitter, etc.
Like The ROCK says, "IT DOESN'T MATTER" who says what, or who's brother owned what that lead to whatever. It's not what you own, it's what you do with it that matters.
OP - find some new friends, seriously. You are surrounding yourself with idiots that talk small minded things. Find some people that talk about ideas, the next "BIG" thing, or how to develop a service that could help the world. These people won't judge you for your tool, just what you are contributing to the greater good. You won't even feel bad buying the Mac cause most nomad entrepreneurs that cowork out of coffee shops have one.
Like The ROCK says, "IT DOESN'T MATTER" who says what, or who's brother owned what that lead to whatever. It's not what you own, it's what you do with it that matters.
OP - find some new friends, seriously. You are surrounding yourself with idiots that talk small minded things. Find some people that talk about ideas, the next "BIG" thing, or how to develop a service that could help the world. These people won't judge you for your tool, just what you are contributing to the greater good. You won't even feel bad buying the Mac cause most nomad entrepreneurs that cowork out of coffee shops have one.
munkery
macrumors 68020
I just quote my 9 hour plus battery life on my 2010 13" MBP. Pfft, who needs a spare battery or charger?
Other most important reasons for me is the smoothness of the trackpad (big plus here), lack of bloatware and antivirus, laptop design, and cool running temperature.
Haven't used any other laptop with any of the above in a single package. Biggest downside for mac would be lack of microsoft onenote and gaming power, but I don't play much games nowadays anyway.
Other most important reasons for me is the smoothness of the trackpad (big plus here), lack of bloatware and antivirus, laptop design, and cool running temperature.
Haven't used any other laptop with any of the above in a single package. Biggest downside for mac would be lack of microsoft onenote and gaming power, but I don't play much games nowadays anyway.
63dot
macrumors 603
I agree with you.
There are some people, or should I say groups of people, who buy the Macs because their peers do. Most graphic designers I know use Macs in a much higher proportion than the norm. A few years ago I would have said that Apple is the clear choice for graphics but today, it's really either/or.
Also, those product placements of a Mac on certain TV shows have probably helped the sales of Macs more than we think. One show I love to watch, "Big Love" is like one big Apple ad! Many of us remember "24" with CTU using Macs even though in reality Uncle Sam are pretty much Dell users or whatever PC company has made a large contract with the government. One talk show host, who I despise (views) is so Mac happy that the hardcore listenership I have met are all Mac users. Budweiser rules, Ford F150 rules, Ann Coulter is a babe, and well, Macs are the ONLY computers. But this talk show host tends to paint things in black and white and if he likes something, it's 100% percent and if he doesn't, it's a big zero. Thankfully, he loves the Mac and mentions it all the time to his tens of millions of listeners. He he, now if a moderate or liberal talk show host could also come up becoming a Mac evangelist then Apple would have all bases covered.
One very conservative church I know of (homophobic, racist, all those things) very much like this talk show host and they have pretty much made the Mac a thing to get even though they would personally consider Steve Jobs a raging hippy liberal. Basically around where I live on the outskirts of Silicon Valley, when you see some young person with a Mac, you can often have a graphic designer or oddly, a skinhead type. 😉
The one arena Apple has not cracked is the brick and mortar business owners and corporations. To their credit, Microsoft has pretty much made their product the standard for business even though there is nothing that qualifies it as such. In ten years, I have only seen a few businesses with Macs as their only machines, and most of those being art galleries or design studios. One would think that, due to the greater stability of OS X and fewer malware attacks, that the financial sector would turn to Apple. Why is it that every accountant/finance professional I have ever seen is a Windows user if their clients' information being secure is a top priority? Anyway, Apple has a long ways to go to break into most markets when it comes to computers. I think we have broken well into smart phones and MP3 players, but little or none of that great success has transferred into seeing people out there with Macs.
If anything, I saw more Macs out there when Apple surprised in the industry with the blueberry iMac and later the iBook line. Those two really crossed over well and were visible out in public. It's just too weird that I am so close to Cupertino yet out in public almost all I see are Windows based PCs. A large part of that could be that we are in a recession (from 2008 to God knows when) and buyers are far more price tag conscious and those Dells and Gateways and Toshibas look very appealing.
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Tell them their irrational hate-on for Macs made you do the opposite of what they want you to do, because generally when people spew bile about someone's personal choice, you shouldn't do that.
I'm kind of surprised this thread is still alive too. But no harm done. People are just expressing their opinion. For a website called "macrumors" I thought there'd be a lot more fanboys than rational mac and PC users but apparently I'm wrong haha
The difference between humans and animals is we can connect with anything. Express feelings for other animals, plants, even soulless things like a laptop (of course macbook HAVE souls
).You CAN love a computer, kinda harder to hate it. But it's not that they hate it, it's just that those people don't realize what a macbook is, and how different it is to the other laptops.
It's how racism works. People were thinking black people were inferior (some still do, unfortunately), but then they realized or just... thought "wait a sec! Why?".
Wow! I would suggest you never invest in the stock market with that rationale. So, the Mac is still worth 60% of its original value and the PC is worth 30%, and that's "coming out ahead with the PC"????
BTW, I'm aware that these numbers are made up, but there's no arguing against the fact that Mac's don't depreciate in value as quickly as PC's. FWIW, I just sold a late-'08 MacBook (aluminum) for 54% of its original cost ($1,299, and sold for $700). What would a 2 1/2 year-old PC laptop sell for today? Well, let's take the HP Compaq 2230s as an example. This laptop was released around the same time as the MacBook that I just sold. The price for this laptop in '08 was $1,249 for the 2.26 C2D, 2 GB RAM, 160 GB HDD, etc. configuration. There's one on eBay right now for $400 ("buy-it-now") with upgraded RAM and HDD (3GB + 250 GB). That's 32% of its original cost.
I'm sure this is just one of thousands of examples.
awer25
macrumors 65816
It's "coming out ahead" because here the actual dollar value is more important than the return percentage. If you got a single sum of money, would you rather it be 50% of $5 or 30% of $20?
But the "actual dollar value" still has no meaning. It's not like you're going to sell your computer, pocket the money, and never buy a computer again. I understand what thejadedmonkey is saying in his post, but depreciation should always be looked at as a percentage of investment and not the dollar amount. Why? Because there's always the remaining dollar amount from the sale that's important. This equates to future buying power. Even in his purely made-up, hypothetical example, the Mac owner would still have $1,200 left over to buy a new Mac. To look at it another way, the Mac owner would have 60% of the funds required to purchase a new Mac (assuming that prices remained the same). The PC owner would only have 30% of the funds required to purchase a new PC.
So, for the Mac owner, it would cost him $2,800 to purchase two Mac's totaling $4,000 (first Mac = $2,000 out-of-pocket; second Mac = $800 out-of-pocket). For the PC owner, it would cost him $1,700 to purchase two PC's totaling $2,000 (first PC = $1,000 out-of-pocket; second PC = $700 out-of-pocket). It's like the Mac owner getting a discount of 30% (because of its resale value), where the PC owner is only getting a discount of 15%.