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Mac Needs a 19"
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you need to read my earlier post correcting this
and show some manners please
a lot of people like their 17 inchers
so this thread is about 19 inch, not about whether 17 or 19 is the right size
it is, it has a market, they sell 20 inchers dell and hp by the truckload
My manners are fine. You're the one who posted misinformation. You corrected your mistake while I was composing my post.
When speaking of full size laptops, my 17" & 15" MacBook Pro's are my absolute favorites.
I've got lots of experience with other brands, which makes me appreciate these two just that much more.
In my opinion the 17" is ideal and the sweet spot, as compared to a 19" which is most certainly too big. I know, I've had nearly every size of laptop made over the last two decades.
Once you've owned as many as I have, Apples excellent 17" MBP truly stands out as the fantastic full size laptop it is.
I've got lots of experience with other brands, which makes me appreciate these two just that much more.
In my opinion the 17" is ideal and the sweet spot, as compared to a 19" which is most certainly too big. I know, I've had nearly every size of laptop made over the last two decades.
Once you've owned as many as I have, Apples excellent 17" MBP truly stands out as the fantastic full size laptop it is.
I always have wanted to see what percentage of what size MBP does Apple sell. In my experience I see a bit more 13" than 15" and the 17" is a distant 3rd. If I would guess I would think something like 45% 13", 40% 15" and 15% 17". That is why I don't think Apple will merge the 13" MBA and MBP anytime soon.
Also with that in mind I think any larger than 17" would be an extreme niche market and a market that Apple probably isn't interested in.
I personally feel the 15" is too large for my use. Maybe if I didn't have a external screen or used it without an external screen a higher percentage of the time I would feel different. But for me the 13" is the right combination.
Mac, or better Apple, needs a 20" laptop. If HP can do it, Apple surely can, and they even might offer a better resolution with them too:
Or take a look at the 21" MBP mod someone did a while ago.
Or take a look at the 21" MBP mod someone did a while ago.
Just because people buy them doesn't really mean anything. People buy lots of things they think they need or want the first time around, the real proof to your statement is if they re-buy them during the next upgrade. Lots here complain about the size of the 17 they originally had and have now gone to a 15 or 13 due to portability. The other thing to take into consideration is that in the past people had to pay a hefty fee to return their MBPs, so some would keep them rather than eat the loss. Also the lack of available 17 model differences shows that there is not as high of a demand as you think (otherwise Apple would offer the same variances as they do within the 15 line).
Your anecdotal sales amounts are not swaying anyone either. In the beginning you claim the sales numbers were thousands and then tens of thousands, then truckloads and now boatloads (how about some actual numbers to back these statements up). Compare these to the actual million of devices sold and even at tens of thousands it is a mere percentage and thus not true evidence of the desires that all people have that you claim.
I also back GG and saw nothing wrong with his statements. They were direct and asking for proof only and definitely not as mean as you calling everyone who claims it is too big, bulky, or heavy a girlie man or your response to him.
Your anecdotal sales amounts are not swaying anyone either. In the beginning you claim the sales numbers were thousands and then tens of thousands, then truckloads and now boatloads (how about some actual numbers to back these statements up). Compare these to the actual million of devices sold and even at tens of thousands it is a mere percentage and thus not true evidence of the desires that all people have that you claim.
I also back GG and saw nothing wrong with his statements. They were direct and asking for proof only and definitely not as mean as you calling everyone who claims it is too big, bulky, or heavy a girlie man or your response to him.
i agree with you
why not 20 inches?
hp did it with the dragon
dell did it with the m2010
in fact one or both of these were larger than 20 inches
19 is nice, 20 would be better
18 would not be that much of a step up
however that said the m18x alienware is a lot bigger than the mbp 17
take a look at the m18x vs the mbp 17 in size
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cWejOmqxLtA#t=702s
the m18x makes the mbp 17 look like a mbp 13
its enormous
so certainly apple could make a 19 or 20 incher
False.
The 18"+ PC laptop market has been a commercial flop. In fact, a few years back there were more 18"+ PC laptops being commercialized than now a days. The demand was just not there, it's too nichey market to make it a viable product range.
No one wants a monster that weights twice as much as a 17", without really bringing in more resolution or more CPU power. And if they muscled in more GPU/CPU/resolution power, it'd be way too pricey, thus too nichey.
No matter how you slice it, the 18"+ laptop venture flopped badly.
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Would you please stop posting misinformation? the sales of 20" laptops are absurdly minuscule compared to any other "normal" size aka 11", 13", 15" or 17". Why would Apple invest in a market that wouldn't even expand their corporate bottom line in a mere 1%? Going 11" with the MBA was a FAR better decision than creating a 19" MBP.
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If people, in fact, want that they will buy a desktop. You buy a laptop for portability, not power like that. Fitting two harddrives, an i7 and two GPU's (among all the other obvious components) into a laptop size is completely illogical and would likely overheat like crazy. Hell, even iMac's (larger then what you're proposing) don't have that kind of hardware. Mac Pro's can but at a high cost. No one would buy a massively over-sized laptop with desktop components. Why? Well because:
a) It would be massively too large to be considered at all portable.
b) It would cost a fortune. Think of the parts you just suggested, those are MAC PRO style parts. The Mac Pro's cost so much more for a reason.
c) If you need that kind of power, you don't need portability; thus you would buy a desktop.
Defined your point with made-up numbers all you want but it's simply not a logical design. They already sell the 17" Macbook pro the least out of their macbook lines so why would they bother making it bigger to sell fewer?
Lastly, have you considered it from apple's standpoint? They would need to design a completely new shell for the computer and new design for the internal components. That's not a cheap process and their gain would be low. You say you want one, although no one else seems to, but would even you really buy it? Probably not, you'd realize it's completely insane.
If you think that would be at all possible you have no idea how hardware even works. The GPU power needed to run a 19" screen would destroy battery life. Besides, why would someone want to have 5 hours of batter life when they could have 7+ hours on a regular sized MBP? Especially when they need to heaul it around a lot.
From what I've heard form people with 17" models they use it primarily as a desktop computer anyway (with an external monitor) so why would anyone want to buy a bigger laptop rather than just going to a desktop?
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14 inches is too big.
I've used 17 inch MBP's, I don't understand how people can tolerate them. I guess it's nice to have a huge screen you can take with you without too much trouble, but it's a unwieldy beast. Anything bigger isn't going to useful unless you have a desk, and at that point you may as well get an iMac.
Personally, I moved from a 12" iBook to a 10" netbook. I must admit I miss the extra screen real estate a bit, but its worth it to have this tiny little internet machine that I don't have to lug around. In fact, you hardly even notice it with how light it is. a 17" MBP surely needs a bag to be carried in, and who wants that?
I've used 17 inch MBP's, I don't understand how people can tolerate them. I guess it's nice to have a huge screen you can take with you without too much trouble, but it's a unwieldy beast. Anything bigger isn't going to useful unless you have a desk, and at that point you may as well get an iMac.
Personally, I moved from a 12" iBook to a 10" netbook. I must admit I miss the extra screen real estate a bit, but its worth it to have this tiny little internet machine that I don't have to lug around. In fact, you hardly even notice it with how light it is. a 17" MBP surely needs a bag to be carried in, and who wants that?
My parents originally wanted a laptop, however when I actually had a proper conversation then they went with an iMac rather then getting a MacBook, followed by external keyboard, mouse and monitor, making the laptop pretty pointless.
I would imagine the there is a market for said size portables for people that basically use them as mobile desktops, as opposed to laptops. Whether the market is big enough for apple is a other question.
I honestly don't see the volumes being there to justify the additional product, and I shudder to think of the price apple would want.
I would imagine the there is a market for said size portables for people that basically use them as mobile desktops, as opposed to laptops. Whether the market is big enough for apple is a other question.
I honestly don't see the volumes being there to justify the additional product, and I shudder to think of the price apple would want.
Maybe they should reline MBP line:
17 inch - with DVD drive and express card slot
14 inch - Middle of 13/15 inch, no DVD drive (to allow use of space for more performance)
Keeps entire MacBook line simpler, and a way to avoid future MacBook Air/Pro clash as well.
17 inch - with DVD drive and express card slot
14 inch - Middle of 13/15 inch, no DVD drive (to allow use of space for more performance)
Keeps entire MacBook line simpler, and a way to avoid future MacBook Air/Pro clash as well.
You realize that as the screen size gets bigger, so does the base size of the laptop? Right now, a 15" fits snuggly into my college book-laden backpack quite nicely. A 17" could barely squeeze in there. I'd have to sacrifice some space in my backpack to just barely shove in a 19".
Also, another thing to consider is imagine how unattractive the base would look. There's a reason Apple didn't add a full keyboard with a number pad on the 17". If they made a 19", what are they going to do? Shove in bigger speakers on the side? I mean the 17" is already bordering ugly with its large speakers, a 19" version would just be atrocious.
Also, another thing to consider is imagine how unattractive the base would look. There's a reason Apple didn't add a full keyboard with a number pad on the 17". If they made a 19", what are they going to do? Shove in bigger speakers on the side? I mean the 17" is already bordering ugly with its large speakers, a 19" version would just be atrocious.
You obviously don't bring your laptop to PTA meetings or soccer games. It's like catnip to them.
But, honestly, I don't care about Apple creating a 19" laptop from the consumer-side because I simply wouldn't purchase it. I care from a shareholder perspective because it would most likely not be a big seller (as shown by other 18+" laptops' sales) and would hurt stock price.
Yeah the 17" doesn't fit in my backpack and was too heavy to carry around to classes. I have the 13" but will probably upgrade to the 15" soon simply because it's the screen I need and won't be too heavy to lug around. I can't imagine someone trying to carry around a 19" laptop. It'll most likely stay home/at the office for most people.
@simsaladimbamba
who designed and built that custom 21 inch macbook pro?
i want one
maybe that is the solution
@everyone
the ladies here in japan love these big ones
they always tell me when im with my friends with their large laptops oh its so big
also women tend to like comfort and the large laptops more than men
they want the screen size and to cosy up to them on the couch and have the experience with the big screen
i think a lot of guys prefer the smaller ones
yes they sold boatloads of them , of course they will sell hundreds more boatloads of the smaller ones
most students and even people dont have 2500 to burn on a laptop
thats why pc outsells the mac 95% to 5%
also the reason the 20 inchers have not been re released is because of the depression
they came out in 07 and now people dont have the money to buy them
but 17 and 18 inchers are still being made
alienwares 18 incher is a monster
and they are selling them even though they are super expensive
if mac has any cojones it will make a 19 incher to fit between the 17 inch and the 21 inch desktop
it will make a 19 inch laptop and people will buy it
i would
but they dont make it so i am deciding between the hp envy 17 3000 and the mbp 17
the hp actually has 17.3 inches so its bigger, even though only 1080hd 16:9 and the mac is 1020hd 16:10 so figure that out
so if hp can make a 17.3 last for 6 - 8 hours on win 7 64 bit
then mac can go up an extra inch and a half an make a 19 incher
why not?
we went to the moon
so mac should make this computer it would be a monster and i would buy it
who designed and built that custom 21 inch macbook pro?
i want one
maybe that is the solution
@everyone
the ladies here in japan love these big ones
they always tell me when im with my friends with their large laptops oh its so big
also women tend to like comfort and the large laptops more than men
they want the screen size and to cosy up to them on the couch and have the experience with the big screen
i think a lot of guys prefer the smaller ones
yes they sold boatloads of them , of course they will sell hundreds more boatloads of the smaller ones
most students and even people dont have 2500 to burn on a laptop
thats why pc outsells the mac 95% to 5%
also the reason the 20 inchers have not been re released is because of the depression
they came out in 07 and now people dont have the money to buy them
but 17 and 18 inchers are still being made
alienwares 18 incher is a monster
and they are selling them even though they are super expensive
if mac has any cojones it will make a 19 incher to fit between the 17 inch and the 21 inch desktop
it will make a 19 inch laptop and people will buy it
i would
but they dont make it so i am deciding between the hp envy 17 3000 and the mbp 17
the hp actually has 17.3 inches so its bigger, even though only 1080hd 16:9 and the mac is 1020hd 16:10 so figure that out
so if hp can make a 17.3 last for 6 - 8 hours on win 7 64 bit
then mac can go up an extra inch and a half an make a 19 incher
why not?
we went to the moon
so mac should make this computer it would be a monster and i would buy it
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