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and they better do it quick-i have it from an employee that they released LION 7 with the "customize" button grayed out/not working-meaning you have to install EVERYTHING on the disc, cutting down on speed and free space
i always delete all other printer drivers, languages, translations, X 11, fonts, QT 7 etc that i dont need
WHY in the world would the let that go?!?! mindboggling
Wonder why they are skipping 10.7.1?
 
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and they better do it quick-i have it from an employee that they released LION 7 with the "customize" button grayed out/not working-meaning you have to install EVERYTHING on the disc, cutting down on speed and free space
i always delete all other printer drivers, languages, translations, X 11, fonts, QT 7 etc that i dont need
WHY in the world would the let that go?!?! mindboggling
Wonder why they are skipping 10.7.1?

It is not mind-boggling. They are not skipping 10.7.1.
10.7.2 is for testing iCloud only. It may or may not have updated some things, but it does in no way shape or form take the place of 10.7.1 which has not been released yet.
 
A to majorly screw up a major OS release Lion 10.7!

I believe Apple in the first place should not of released Lion straight away in my opinion. The Applecare Centre is in undated with issues to do with Lion is ludicrous honestly…

Geez the Developer Preview of Safari is more stable than the release version. I've literally found so many bugs, quirks or bizarre faults it's ridiculous.

Issues are, at first Mail would freeze and would have to Force Quit, System's Preferences Menu was playing up and not allowing me change the desktop. Obviously the Adobe Suite Programs are a known issue. Pro-Tool's doesn't work, neither does Logic Pro 9.1.3 well properly any way, unless you have Logic Pro 9.1.4 as I do. Then there are the Safari bugs, won't go there list is too long. Also the OS just seems to do some really random things.

Now I am running 10.7 on a Mid June 2010 21.5" i3 16Gb 1333Mhz RAM so you would assume there should be no issues… Even from the time I purchased Lion 10.7 from the App Store it corrupted itself on installation… Also it is exceedingly more memory hungry than 10.6.8 by a large margin.

Now guys… Honestly does this sound like a stable release, I have some serious doubts about that.

Also in one of the other threads it was mention about 10.7.2 DP Combo Update for iCloud. Now from what the tech boys have told myself is that they are frantically working on a fix being 10.7.1 as there are literally too many bugs, and it will possibly include 10.7.2 but unconfirmed at this stage.
 
I believe Apple in the first place should not of released Lion straight away in my opinion. The Applecare Centre is in undated with issues to do with Lion is ludicrous honestly…

I think, and every should honestly agree, Apple rushed the current release a bit.
One of the employees of the local Apple Center told me he never got so many people asking for help after they installed Lion.
This and the fact Lion runs remarkably slower with Intel 3000HD chipset (latest MBP) is not good imo

Anyway, I think we can expect a 10.7.1 release within 2 weeks (if not 1 week).
 
I think, and every should honestly agree, Apple rushed the current release a bit.
One of the employees of the local Apple Center told me he never got so many people asking for help after they installed Lion.
This and the fact Lion runs remarkably slower with Intel 3000HD chipset (latest MBP) is not good imo

Anyway, I think we can expect a 10.7.1 release within 2 weeks (if not 1 week).

I don't think they rushed it out. The developers first got access around April. It was internally tested before that. The adoption rate has been high, over 1 million downloads, so there is bound to be more reports of problems in the general public.
No OS release can be bug free.
 
cant wait for icloud :apple:

Until there are unlimited wireless plans, as wireless will eventually supplant wired paradigms like cable and DSL, AND terms of service that don't give cloud providers a helping hand to any intellectual property (the 'stuff') people upload to it so they can profit off of what the uploader created, I will patiently wait.
 
Now from what the tech boys have told myself is that they are frantically working on a fix being 10.7.1 as there are literally too many bugs, and it will possibly include 10.7.2 but unconfirmed at this stage.

Right, because I'm sure people in a position to know the actual nature of upcoming OS X releases are blabbing about it to you and/or your "tech boys."
 
10.7.1 may not arrive as fast as you think...

It can't be assumed that 10.7.1 will be coming soon based on the dev release of 10.7.2 with iCloud, Apple have done a release like this before, I think it was with MobileMe, where they skipped a version to get developers access to the expanded features, of a service that was still a few months away.

The fact that 10.6.1 was released quickly after 10.6, is a better precedent to use for this assumption.
 
I like recent versions being stored locally, but it'd be good if you could select the range to be cached (last day, last week, or last x versions, maybe a maximum GB for all local apps, or whatever). But Apple seems hesitant to add options for Time Machine (related technology), so I'm not holding my breath. I agree that it can be a problem now as we transition to SSDs which are space-constrained and expensive or impossible to upgrade.
 
Is Lion required to use iCloud? Anyone with Snow Leopard is SOL? :confused: So Apple makes sure Windows... with NO Lion code at all works on this new service while those of us who are using a full fledged Apple product are just SOL. Way to be ****** Apple. Really. That's just pure ******ness.
 
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and they better do it quick-i have it from an employee that they released LION 7 with the "customize" button grayed out/not working-meaning you have to install EVERYTHING on the disc, cutting down on speed and free space

That sounds ridiculously made up or unreliable at best.
 
People are saying that this cannot be installed if you are running the Lion Server.

Trash this> /System/Library/Coreservices/ServerVersion.plist and then reboot and you should be able to install it.
 
Also, I have the feeling that Ill start to mess things up with my documents if versions if enabled. Imagine having 500 previous documents of one document in versions. Its a mess!!! I would screw something sooner or later...

Is it possible to delete manually the background files? This way maybe I could only have 10 previous versions instead of 500... Anyone knows how?

Have you actually looked at what versions does? It is emphatically not this. All versions does is add a time stamp to each set of changes made to a file so that the file has an "undo" record back to the point at which the file was created. There is only ever one copy of the file created.
 
Have you actually looked at what versions does? It is emphatically not this. All versions does is add a time stamp to each set of changes made to a file so that the file has an "undo" record back to the point at which the file was created. There is only ever one copy of the file created.

I think you're the one confused - versions saves snapshots of files as you make changes - other filesystems have been doing this for a while including Windows 7 shadowcopy. Without getting too technical, it only saves what was changed at the file level so i.e. if you have a 1MB file, and you make 3 changes, it doesn't create 3 x 1MB files. It will have the 1MB file and then 3 small files that only contain the changes since the original 1MB file.

But YES there are definitely files being created - how else are they storing your changes and where? In some magic storage closet?
 
He knows his work flow. Therefore he can determine where versions could fall short.

I work on 5 gigabyte photoshop files and sometimes explore options after a file is saved. I might not intend for these changes to be permanent as i am just exploring. Now, thanks to apple, it appears that all those changes are going to be tracked and even saved if i just close the document.

I'm failing to see how versions prevents you from doing this. In fact, all I can see is how versions allows you to do this in a more space-efficient way. Old style: 1) get file to state you like and save it, 2) open saved file, make changes you might like and save it as something different. Result: 2 copies of the file. New style: 1) get file to state you like. It is automatically saved. 2) make some changes to see if you like it. it is automatically saved. result: 1 copy of the file (that comes with change log). If at some point in the future you want to go back to version 1 of the file, just open up versions view and roll back to the old version that you want.
 
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He knows his work flow. Therefore he can determine where versions could fall short.

I work on 5 gigabyte photoshop files and sometimes explore options after a file is saved. I might not intend for these changes to be permanent as i am just exploring. Now, thanks to apple, it appears that all those changes are going to be tracked and even saved if i just close the document.

I'm failing to see how versions prevents you from doing this. In fact, all I can see is how versions allows you to do this in a more space-efficient way. Old style: 1) get file to state you like and save it, 2) open saved file, make changes you might like and save it as something different. Result: 2 copies of the file. New style: 1) get file to state you like. It is automatically saved. 2) make some changes to see if you like it. it is automatically saved. result: 1 copy of the file (that comes with change log). If at some point in the future you want to go back to version 1 of the file, just open up versions view and roll back to the old version that you want.

I think you're guilty of the same mistake I made here. Auto Save doesn't automatically create a new Version of the document with each save. It only creates a new Version every hour, unless you press CMD + S, which will create a new Version on demand. Unless I've misread your post
 
I think you're the one confused - versions saves snapshots of files as you make changes - other filesystems have been doing this for a while including Windows 7 shadowcopy. Without getting too technical, it only saves what was changed at the file level so i.e. if you have a 1MB file, and you make 3 changes, it doesn't create 3 x 1MB files. It will have the 1MB file and then 3 small files that only contain the changes since the original 1MB file.

But YES there are definitely files being created - how else are they storing your changes and where? In some magic storage closet?

The mechanism is described in [1]. Essentially what happens is the document file contains only the current version of the file, and no extra files exist for different versions. To recover an old version, a database is queried which contains information about which parts of the file relate to which time-piont, so an old version of the file can be re-created. This means that the number of old versions of the file available is effectively arbitrary (set by the time interval between updating the database), and the amount of data stored is the same if you have 10 versions or 1000 versions.

[1] http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/14
 
Are you making a general complaint or asking if 10.7.2 fixes any battery issues?

I'm not making a complaint. I was asking a question. Generally questions are ended with question marks like mine. If I was complaining you would know it. But yes, does the update fix these issues?

I can't wait for this post of mine to get negged. Can't even interact on this site without negative feedback.
 
I'm not making a complaint. I was asking a question. Generally questions are ended with question marks like mine. If I was complaining you would know it. But yes, does the update fix these issues?

I can't wait for this post of mine to get negged. Can't even interact on this site without negative feedback.

I don't have battery issues to fix, so it did not alter my battery run time.
The notes that Apple posted indicate that this release was to test iCloud. If people see bugs fixed good, but they should not expect it from this release.
 
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