Sital
macrumors 68020
If he just got a new MacBook why would he do that? He's happy with Tahoe, but it sounds like you're trying to convince him otherwise.
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Mac OS 26 Is Utter Garbage and Apple Has truly lost its way....
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And there you go, Tahoe in a nutshell
Apple: goodbye Mac users, welcome iPhone/iPad users
Please explain why streamlining MacOS with iOS/iPadOS is a bad thing.
Is there anything you can't do anymore because of that?
Is there anything you won't be able to do because of that?
Why is this a goodbye to Mac users? Isn't it rather a welcome to NEW Mac users and a commitment to maintain the platform for everyone else?
As I had explained, I'm not a heavy user (yet), so I don't have the insight you may have.
fisherking
macrumors G5
funny! you're saying, 'if you remove features, speed, security, functionality... you'll be happier'.
maybe true? until you try to sign in to your bank, or realize the contacts you just added to your phone aren't on your mac 🤔
svenmany
macrumors 68030
That's an important point. People mention all the bugs and other issues but don't weigh it against so many more complex things Apple is attempting to implement. The older, much more reliable OS versions did so much less than the current OS.
But, I do wish Apple did a much better job at it.
What are these complex operating system level things?
Subscription cloud storage?
Subscription music service?
Subscription tv service?
Subscription office suite?
Subscription news service?
Subscription fitness service?
Subscription games service?
ai?
The countless servers, metrics, telemetry, analytics, beacons that macOS continuously wants to connect to as soon as a network is active?
Meanwhile, it still can’t do basic things like USB that can’t be ejected or wasn’t ejected properly, or in-use when nothing is using it, drives that randomly unmount from sleep sometimes but not every time.
Transparency, rounded corners, oversized ui, retina burning light mode - are these the complex things?
fisherking
macrumors G5
right. there are no useful differences between high sierra (2017) and tahoe (2025). nothing useful was developed under-the-hood, there are no new features, better speed, or better security. better tools. ways to synchronize data between devices.
imagine the uproar if apple brought us back to intel chips, 2017 speeds, and high sierra. fortunately, we live in the real world, where things move forward, not backward (even if moving into uncharted territory often brings it's own challenges & issues). personally, i prefer progress 🤔
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
I guess we are different there. I prefer progress where that progress is better than what came before. Unfortunately Apple doesn't always agree with me--especially in MacOS 26.
fisherking
macrumors G5
that's odd. i also prefer progress where it's better than before... and am happy (& productive) on OS 26. sorry your own experience is not satisfactory
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
Thank you, I appreciate that. It's all good though. I already moved on, so I won't even know if MacOS 27 is better. I realized I am not giving up gaming, so I might as well just go all in on Windows and got a great gaming laptop. So I am good. I'll sell my M4 Macbook Air and move on.
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fisherking
macrumors G5
really, then, great you found a system that works for you; that's what matters most 👍
Honey_crisp
macrumors regular
No Time Machine. The Neo was setup as New with the Day 1 software update - 26.3.2 (a). I haven't had the issue since the restart, and I will be buying AppleCare for peace of mind. My main computer (MBP) will stay on Sequoia for a while longer.
I hung off installing it until a couple of weeks ago.
It's not garbage but I understand the frustration. Gradually, the OS has gone from something intuitive and easy to use, to something where things are hidden and complex
The move to a single interface has impacted MacOs so there are lots of annoyances. There's clearly been a move to design over function and it's much less functional than it was.
A simple example: Macmail, you have a sidebar and an icon to shut or open the sidebar. In Tahoe you can shut it but then the icon disappears so you have to hunt in a menu to open it again.
Multiply this kind of mistake all round the operating system and you very quickly start to get angry.
The whole move to Liquid glass is is proof of this. You copy a text- which is now white- and paste it into a form and of course, it's disappeared. It looks pretty but functionally, it's a disaster.
And it might be me but turning on the 'tint' (or whatever it's called I can't remember, but trying to get rid of liquid glass) when I did that loads of things glitched. I turned it off and decided to get used to it and in my opinion, it really does run a lot more smoothly under liquid glass.
I came from Windows when Tiger was just being replaced by Leopard and I remember the 'Wow!' factor when I saw cover flow and everything was so advanced. I thought at the time it was probably a decade ahead of Windows.
Windows is a lot better since then but there's nothing 'Wow' in it, but frankly Tahoe isn't as good as Leopard- Snow Leopard was peak MacOs
Functionally, it's as messy as Vista.
It's not garbage but I understand the frustration. Gradually, the OS has gone from something intuitive and easy to use, to something where things are hidden and complex
The move to a single interface has impacted MacOs so there are lots of annoyances. There's clearly been a move to design over function and it's much less functional than it was.
A simple example: Macmail, you have a sidebar and an icon to shut or open the sidebar. In Tahoe you can shut it but then the icon disappears so you have to hunt in a menu to open it again.
Multiply this kind of mistake all round the operating system and you very quickly start to get angry.
The whole move to Liquid glass is is proof of this. You copy a text- which is now white- and paste it into a form and of course, it's disappeared. It looks pretty but functionally, it's a disaster.
And it might be me but turning on the 'tint' (or whatever it's called I can't remember, but trying to get rid of liquid glass) when I did that loads of things glitched. I turned it off and decided to get used to it and in my opinion, it really does run a lot more smoothly under liquid glass.
I came from Windows when Tiger was just being replaced by Leopard and I remember the 'Wow!' factor when I saw cover flow and everything was so advanced. I thought at the time it was probably a decade ahead of Windows.
Windows is a lot better since then but there's nothing 'Wow' in it, but frankly Tahoe isn't as good as Leopard- Snow Leopard was peak MacOs
Functionally, it's as messy as Vista.
fisherking
macrumors G5
interesting how different people see things. i don't find working in tahoe to be functionally different from sequioa (or other recent mac OSes). i don't see 'design over function', i am working in basically the same ways i have for years.
and it's amazing how people romanticize snow leopard; it was a great OS, but that was almost a decade ago. i wouldn't want to give up the speed, functionality, features, security... aesthetic of tahoe to go back that far (or go back at all) 🤷
Time actually flies - it's almost two decades ago. Fond memories of this time where we could swap pretty much any component in our macs. But then again I'm romanticising, because we also had crappy, slow and crashprone HDDs, low memory, screens that were impossible to properly calibrate,...
fisherking
macrumors G5
Since it doesn’t look like my 2018 MacBook Air will ever be able to be patched via oclp, looks like I won’t be playing with Tahoe to see my opinion of it and be stuck with Sonoma.
svenmany
macrumors 68030
I've been thinking a lot about this. The macOS version that was mentioned as a comparison was High Sierra in post #550. One of my problems was that I don't know when different features were introduced. But, I encountered one recently that was certainly introduced after High Sierra - Live Text.
Live Text is really great when I need it. Some image is displaying on the screen (for me it's often a screen shot of something like a remote desktop). Being able to copy and paste text portions of that into an email or something else has been an amazing help.
If Apple ever introduces Live Text functionality into Spotlight importing, then we could have a disaster on our hands. We won't be allowed to turn it off and it will have a non-trivial cost. I wouldn't trust Apple to get this right.
The other day I had a notification pop up from Reminders. Apple added the ability to "mark as completed" to the notification at some point. Generally that works. The other day the notification refused to respond. So, that's new functionality supporting a new bug. But, usually it works and I'd rather have another bug along with the convenience.
I answered my phone on my computer the other day. It used to not work well, but since Tahoe I've not had a problem. My wife called and asked me to check on something upstairs. So after first answering on my computer, I picked up my phone, pushed some button, and the call transferred to the phone and I left my office, continuing the conversation. I was blown away. But, my faith in Apple is such that I wouldn't be surprised if that fails 25% of the time.
Apple is ambitious and careless. It's still the best platform for me.
DCIFRTHS
macrumors 68000
I am on Sequoia, I make and receive calls all the time using my iPhone 16 Pro, Mac and OG HomePods.
While I do like the feature, I find it frustrating. Sometimes the call will just drop while other times it disconnects when another call comes in, and it is not noticed (there is no call waiting beep on the HomePods or Mac). I am in a full cellular signal area when I use the feature.
The biggest inconvenience is when I’ve been on hold in a queue, or it’s an important call. My solution is to use my phone directly, but I’m going to try and disable call waiting for outgoing calls as a test.
What problems did you have before Tahoe?
Ehm, Spotlight has already been scanning images and even video for text and content since many years ago.
svenmany
macrumors 68030
I had one of the problems you described; calls would just drop. Since upgrading to Tahoe, I've not had a single dropped call.
I'm not sure I'm a good source of data to draw a strong conclusion about reliability being better. I'm forced to use WiFi calling (having almost no cell coverage at my house) and I've read that my particular routers are suspected as the cause of dropped calls. Also, I don't think I take enough calls to give my success under Tahoe much weight; I've had maybe 20 short conversations since the upgrade.
svenmany
macrumors 68030
I did try to research this and I'm very interested in learning something new. Could you provide a link that supports your view? And I'd like to know what version of the OS this was introduced in, since that's the subtopic at hand.
I do know about mediaanalysisd, but I'm more worried about CGPDFService. According to EclecticLight, he couldn't find any evidence that Sonoma was doing Live Text OCR from PDF documents. I've already encountered issues with CGPDFService (as have many others) and further efforts by Apple to analyze PDF documents worry me a lot. Do you believe PDF documents without a text layer are being indexed by Spotlight?
Thank you. Let's hope Apple dumps this as fast as MS dumped VISTA. As I remember, MS got the message real fast!
M4th
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droplink
macrumors 6502
Thanks for sharing this sadly depressing news.
Though I hope it means the structure of Liquid glass and the execution will still change.