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Maybe I shouldn’t say this, but you often see this kind of opinion on car and motorcycle forums. No brand is ever completely free of problems. When people say things like, “I’ll never buy that brand again,” too quickly — well, they might end up with nothing left to use. That’d be quite a headache.

That has never happened; there are too many options. Apple does not have a 'lock' on the market. I am not a fanboi of any device or tool that I own. I do not run around town wearing ball caps or shirts with the logo of companies so I can feel like I 'belong' to 'something'.

Apple has shown its arrogance over LG. They could have backed off when they saw the complaints, but did not. A GUI is a divisive item for me. The GUI works for me, or it does not. LG does not, therefore, the device does not work for me either. Very simple, no emotions, no wringing of the hands. It is based on the GUI. Screw up the GUI as Apple did, and I'll buy a device from a competitor.

I will miss AirDrop, but I can just as well copy files with a USB-C cable.
 
There are just as many threads extolling the virtues of iOS 26.

Yes. We get it. Clear bubbles are amazing.
No. there aren't. And it isn't close. I think several of the positive threads are mock threads to counteract the number of crying threads.

And regardless, I'd much rather come to a message board full of positive threads than crying threads.
 
That has never happened; there are too many options. Apple does not have a 'lock' on the market. I am not a fanboi of any device or tool that I own. I do not run around town wearing ball caps or shirts with the logo of companies so I can feel like I 'belong' to 'something'.

Apple has shown its arrogance over LG. They could have backed off when they saw the complaints, but did not. A GUI is a divisive item for me. The GUI works for me, or it does not. LG does not, therefore, the device does not work for me either. Very simple, no emotions, no wringing of the hands. It is based on the GUI. Screw up the GUI as Apple did, and I'll buy a device from a competitor.

I will miss AirDrop, but I can just as well copy files with a USB-C cable.
Fedora KDE is calling you.
 
That has never happened; there are too many options. Apple does not have a 'lock' on the market. I am not a fanboi of any device or tool that I own. I do not run around town wearing ball caps or shirts with the logo of companies so I can feel like I 'belong' to 'something'.

Apple has shown its arrogance over LG. They could have backed off when they saw the complaints, but did not. A GUI is a divisive item for me. The GUI works for me, or it does not. LG does not, therefore, the device does not work for me either. Very simple, no emotions, no wringing of the hands. It is based on the GUI. Screw up the GUI as Apple did, and I'll buy a device from a competitor.

I will miss AirDrop, but I can just as well copy files with a USB-C cable.
I know it's Google, so there are going to be the usual privacy concerns, but as LG also prompted me to look around the Pixel 10 Pro XL is a damn fine device and the software is years ahead of iOS. Incredible device on both hardware and software levels.

And my first experience of Gemini. Blown away.
 
I know it's Google, so there are going to be the usual privacy concerns, but as LG also prompted me to look around the Pixel 10 Pro XL is a damn fine device and the software is years ahead of iOS. Incredible device on both hardware and software levels.

And my first experience of Gemini. Blown away.

Yep. Before I retired, my company used Android almost exclusively. A small number of ad/promo types used Apple for design. But...there were essentially no Apple phones in the system.

I am entirely comfortable with Android; my decision is which cell phone I will buy. I have never owned a OnePlus product, so they may be the one I choose. Previously, it was always a Samsung product.
 
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Unintended consequences of updating on a .0 or PB release, beta tester for the rest of us!👍
Amen! It is one of the stupidest, ill executed updates ever. You can see Tim's influence as positioning Apple as a fashion item. Liquid makes things harder to see and something that a fashionista would never understand. Just as an example, if you choose Dark Mode and try to send a text in the evening, you can't see the f -- name. Such genius!
 
Whenever you install a new OS it spends a bunch of resources indexing, downloading assets, etc. I have an M1 Max in addition to my M4 Mac Studio I can assure you that after a few hours or even a day or two it will work well again.
It's already been two weeks. Nothing changed.
 
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Macs have always been absurdly overpriced, but also outlast their competitors by 2-3x as long. And the build quality is second to none. You get what you pay for, even if it costs an arm and a leg.
I mean, you pay for quality. The word "overpriced" doesn't really apply here, IMHO. If Macs didn't last as long and were built as cheaply as PCs but still cost more, then yeah, they'd be overpriced.

When it comes to laptops especially, the Mac option is so much better it's kind of insane. With desktops, a PC can make more sense because you can build your own and upgrade as you go to keep up with your exact needs. You can do a lot less of that with Macs and laptops in general.
 
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I typically wait at least six months before upgrading to the latest OS to give Apple time to sort out the bugs (assuming they do) and tighten things up a bit. I have even skipped a release on occasion. I don't have the will to be a beta tester for Apple.
I am still waiting for things to be fixed going back to High Sierra. We really, really need a Snow Leopard like release to fix all the things they have neglected to fix with each release. I won't hold my breath though
 
One needs to step outside of Apple bubble to see that Apple is more and more lagging behind the competition. When the competition races in
  • AI,
  • business solutions (Microsoft),
  • GPU (NVIDIA, AMD),
  • laptops (price to quality ratio i.e. strong gaming laptops, MS Surface laptops for business using ARM),
  • even phones i.e. xaomi 17 pro
    ,
Apple is dabbling in Liquid Glass theme, emojis, and delivering bug ridden software.

Hope Apple is going to surprise us in the few coming years.

That abomination is what Apple should be competing with?
 
Sequoia has already been buggy for me, I do not believe Tahoe will fix anything and probably only introduces bugs.

Apple is losing their fanbase and soon to lose market grip to competitors, especially in regions like Europe. Macs are not bad devices but instead of fixing real issues and making them more versatile, they are making them even more niche than before.

Few examples:

- USB-C everywhere. They have backed down and reintroduced HDMI and SDXC port on their Pro models. But why not on Air??? I have bought my Air 3 years ago and still “collecting” these stupid dongles, because each time I need to connect smth I need a dongle. Not even talking about USB A port that is still needed for me;

- Backwards design and notch on many new models. Useless notch actually since there is no Face ID or anything;

- No 4:3 monitor options and no 17’ or 18’ MacBooks. In recent years industry has started to recover from 16:9 content mania and many cameras now feature “open gate” mode: full sensor area video recording, even iPhone now can do that. It gives lots of versatility when editing videos since you can crop them however you want in post, or even enjoy as is: wide and big. And all that beauty crammed on 16:10 panels, inconvenient and totally not pro;

- non-removable batteries. They have only 2 years left before EU mandates them to have such batteries, so maybe we just need to wait. Competitors will do that anyway
 
What’s interesting is that the Apple ecosystem back then was far more unfriendly than it is now. The workplace vibe was always something like, “Apple? That won’t work here.” Yet none of that stopped us from getting things done. Ironically, what wears you down today isn’t anything grand — it’s ordinary, unavoidable stuff. You just keep enduring it, and that persistent thought keeps coming back, more and more often.

Then you’ll remember:

  • The segmented nonsense of the Performa line, often slow and missing features, but still expensive.
  • Steve’s precious cube that cracked and overheated, and was swiftly cancelled.
  • Steve shrugging and saying ”you’re holding it wrong”.
  • The painfully slow Mac OS X 10.0 Cheetah release that had a lickable liquid interface, but lacked standard features such as DVD playback and printer support.
  • The common full-system freezes of the pre-X systems.
  • Project Pink and Copland.
  • Butterfly keyboards.
  • Apple Maps.

I think both of you are correct! Apple’s had a ton of missteps, and continues to, but it’s also always maintained its own direction, out of stubbornness or strong vision, regardless of how things turned out.

Back when the Mac community was smaller, it really felt like a community. People discussed problems, shared fixes, and understood that Apple products rare played nicely outside the ecosystem, you had to be ready for some configuration. That was part of the fun for me. I started with OSX 10.4.6, a polished version of Tiger. I remember hunting down unique and fun Mac apps that could replicate and go beyond what I used on Windows. Apps like Adium, Transmission, Transit, and the iLife suite had this cohesive look and feel that didn't really exist on Windows at the time. Winamp had a bunch of unique skins, XP was themeable with some manual tweaks, but you still had a bunch of legacy stuff (.dlls, driver issues, etc) you needed to deal with.

I remember the iPhone 4 and the 11″ MacBook Air launches in 2010. To me, those marked the moment when Apple started broadening its audience, not designing primarily for the tech-enthusiast crowd but instead for the mass publice. The iPhone 4 was functional and beautiful, and the 11″ Air looked like Apple’s netbook in response to the fad that peaked near the end of the 2000s, but before tablets got powerful and light enough to become primary consumption devices.

I’d say that’s around when Apple’s vision started to shift. The company (who's main goal is to make money, let's not forget that) had to adapt to hundreds of millions of casual users who cared more about simplicity and fashion instead of low-level configuration. I think the success of the MacBook Air says a lot about that, and the first couple Apple Generations' Edition versions. Since then, the marketing focus has leaned heavily on aesthetic and lifestyle.

I think we see this too in the developer tools and frameworks that have expanded enormously after the app store became a huge revenue source for Apple. Apple’s still innovating, I think the iPhone and Mac integration is incredible, but it’s no longer a niche platform with a tight-knit user base and culture. It’s a global ecosystem now and that comes with a loss in community feel, but it also comes with expectations that the software released isn't buggy enough for the laymen to notice.

I think you can see Apple’s old enthusiast era in Home Assistant. It’s still rough around the edges, community-driven, and full of passionate tinkerers solving problems for the joy of it.
 
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I've said it before I'll say it again, this is because people doing the interviews value useless leetcode skills over actual experience. I'm convinced it's why software is so bad these days.

Anecdotal but two guys I worked with were AWFUL developers, they couldn't even get the basics right, they couldn't do anything on their own and pulled in libraries for everything because, in their words "why reinvent the wheel?" (They don't realize often times "reinventing the wheel" is far better than pulling in some unnecessary third party dependency).

They both left and got jobs at Amazon. Not because of their coding skills, because they could pass leetcode interviews. They both ended up leaving (or getting fired who knows) within 6 and 9 months respectively but still.

This is how nearly all the modern tech companies work, experience be damned the only thing that matters is if you can pass those leetcode tests because some idiot at Google said that "anyone can be taught to code" and that "leetcode is how you get the best developers" and the entire industry went that way.

Turns out he was flat wrong. The people with tons of experience don't have time to study for leetcode nonsense, we're too busy writing scalable enterprise apps.

I came here to say this.

This generation of ******tified software is a result of hiring people who train for Leet Code, have no-to-low project experience, embellish or fraud their resumes, have non-skill traits the hiring manager prioritizes over merit or experience, and usually share identical politics. Most hires have 0 care about the product, its history, or its users, but will aggressively chase worthless KPIs and make a big deal about any effort they do (not result, only their personal effort) to angle for a promotion.

They're the worst types of people. Ladder-climbing, attention-seeking, anti-engineers: parasites. They leave a mess for the next guy and take no ownership. Quality doesn't matter to them; only their visibility to the higher-ups matters. Once they get promoted, they set new worthless KPIs they can make a big deal about chasing, then hire their usually equally-worthless friends.

It's everywhere.

macOS Tahoe is awful. Apple software has never been in a worse state. Apple failed hard at AI last year. Now Apple fails hard at user interface (once a core competency). Very little Apple software "just works" anymore outside of a demo. But I guarantee all of Apple's internal KPIs are glowing and I guarantee their last generation of hires excel at Leet Code.

These organizations need a parasite clease.
 
Sequoia has already been buggy for me, I do not believe Tahoe will fix anything and probably only introduces bugs.

Apple is losing their fanbase and soon to lose market grip to competitors, especially in regions like Europe. Macs are not bad devices but instead of fixing real issues and making them more versatile, they are making them even more niche than before.

sequoia was fine for me, tahoe is equally fine. how do you know how it will be for you if you're not on it? 🤔

and what is your source for this, or is it just an opinion? "Apple is losing their fanbase and soon to lose market grip to competitors".

the rest of it is obviously opinion. my MBA is the best apple computer i've ever owned (and i've owned many). i can do everything i need to do (including pro logic/final cut work). pretty impressive for a small thin laptop
 
the rest of it is obviously opinion. my MBA is the best apple computer i've ever owned (and i've owned many). i can do everything i need to do (including pro logic/final cut work). pretty impressive for a small thin laptop
I am in the same boat as you but since I don’t edit large projects (movies, documentaries), I do not need Final Cut, thought yeah I had used it extensively back in the days. Ever since Instagram Edits dropped I no longer touch desktop video editors since I can do everything much faster on my phone, before Edits I used InShot which is very similar but was ad-driven.

As for music production yes, Apple is unbeatable. Their options are much cheaper than competition and can be used for free (endless trial glitches). Ableton is twice more expensive, FL Studio is only a bit cheaper but comes with other sorts of issues. Music initially was one of the reasons I bought MBA, but I am not really doing anything these days so now it is one less of a reason.

Thought I just cannot say I am impressed with Apple in terms of Mac+Music Production. Old hardware almost never works. My synth for example includes midi usb drivers but they were not updated for newer Mac OS versions, in fact it is not possible to use them on Mac as a midi keyboard or as an audio interface. I had to buy midi keyboard just for the sake of being able to input anything, as well as small plug-and-play Behringer audio interface so I could record something into Mac.

and what is your source for this, or is it just an opinion? "Apple is losing their fanbase and soon to lose market grip to competitors".
My source is that many forum members here (incl. myself) who were diehard fans of most Apple products are no more excited for any new releases, especially software (iOS26, macOS26 etc). Boring, stale, boring again, useless.

sequoia was fine for me, tahoe is equally fine. how do you know how it will be for you if you're not on it? 🤔

It is almost identical. Sequoia lags on my M1 Air, laptop aged 10 years when I installed it. Since upgrade>downgrade process is very complicated these days, I am not playing this rollercoaster anymore. Done with it. My MBA is not some sort of disposable computer to install whichever beta version of software Apple wants me to, considering it is not some cheap toy. However I believe some day they will force me to upgrade to some new release, and I hope they will either polish this liquid g*ass abomination or make something different/more user friendly.

Sonoma was already a compromise for me since it contains so many useless features like updated login screen, USB connection confirmation, new settings and so on, hopefully some can be disabled. I upgraded from Monterey which honestly was most polished. Well, at least Sonoma doesn’t drain battery like Sequoia🤷‍♂️ With Sequoia it drained 2x faster and laptop overheated from browsing in Firefox which never happened
 
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I am in the same boat as you but since I don’t edit large projects (movies, documentaries), I do not need Final Cut, thought yeah I had used it extensively back in the days. Ever since Instagram Edits dropped I no longer touch desktop video editors since I can do everything much faster on my phone, before Edits I used InShot which is very similar but was ad-driven.

As for music production yes, Apple is unbeatable. Their options are much cheaper than competition and can be used for free (endless trial glitches). Ableton is twice more expensive, FL Studio is only a bit cheaper but comes with other sorts of issues. Music initially was one of the reasons I bought MBA, but I am not really doing anything these days so now it is one less of a reason.

Thought I just cannot say I am impressed with Apple in terms of Mac+Music Production. Old hardware almost never works. My synth for example includes midi usb drivers but they were not updated for newer Mac OS versions, in fact it is not possible to use them on Mac as a midi keyboard or as an audio interface. I had to buy midi keyboard just for the sake of being able to input anything, as well as small plug-and-play Behringer audio interface so I could record something into Mac.


My source is that many forum members here (incl. myself) who were diehard fans of most Apple products are no more excited for any new releases, especially software (iOS26, macOS26 etc). Boring, stale, boring again, useless.



It is almost identical. Sequoia lags on my M1 Air, laptop aged 10 years when I installed it. Since upgrade>downgrade process is very complicated these days, I am not playing this rollercoaster anymore. Done with it. My MBA is not some sort of disposable computer to install whichever beta version of software Apple wants me to, considering it is not some cheap toy. However I believe some day they will force me to upgrade to some new release, and I hope they will either polish this liquid g*ass abomination or make something different/more user friendly.

Sonoma was already a compromise for me since it contains so many useless features like updated login screen, USB connection confirmation, new settings and so on, hopefully some can be disabled. I upgraded from Monterey which honestly was most polished. Well, at least Sonoma doesn’t drain battery like Sequoia🤷‍♂️ With Sequoia it drained 2x faster and laptop overheated from browsing in Firefox which never happened

it's a given that older hardware & newer software sometimes argue... or don't speak to each other at all ☺️

there's a whole world outside of the macrumors forums, and the people who live on this forum (including myself) are a lot more obsessive than everyone else; everyone else, meaning 99%+ of apple users. this forum does not speak for them.

so, apple may be losing some of their macrumors fanbase... maybe, as the complaints happen with every new mac OS release. and i am willing to bet that a lot of the people complaining right now will be back complaining about the next OS.
 
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I have a MacBook Pro 14 " with 32 GB RAM. Sometime during Ventura's year, my computer started to crash almost every time I put it in sleep mode or just left it on. I would get the "Your computer was restarted because of a problem" message. I always sent the report to Apple. Apple support said that they could not help with these crashes. I sent at least 100 of these reports, apparently all going to Apple engineers. The problem remained throughout Sonoma.
None of these crashes led to data loss. They were just an annoyance.
During these two years, I also lost access to my networked HP AIO scanner, though not the printer. VueScan couldn't detect the scanner, nor could 'HP Smart". The VueScan developers stated that macOS has an issue with mDNS. It has not had the problem of network scanning on my wife's M1 Pro, however.
I found that installing VeuScan on a Debian or Windows ARM VM worked perfectly. Shared folders with the Mac host made this solution relatively painless for scanning.
With Tahoe, the crashes have stopped. I still can't connect to the HP scanner with VueScan, but HP has updated their printer app, and it now recognizes the scanner. They switched to basing their app on Image capture.
So, I still count Tahoe as an improvement over Sonoma. Did my crash reports finally arrive at the head of the line?
 
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just an observation (from chatGPT), and independent of the actual bugs and graphical issues that do, in fact, need to be sorted out:

“The problem with nostalgia stems from its ability to promote distorted memories, escapism, and feelings of sadness or "nostalgic depression" by idealizing the past and making the present seem inadequate. Excessive indulgence in nostalgic reminiscing can hinder present-day personal growth, prevent engagement with current challenges, and foster a sense of regret or longing for an irrecoverable past”
 
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It's clear that the next generation of useless engineers are completely taking over those that built the iPhone and OS X, and it's a sad day.

I have never thought I would say I would be installing garbage from Apple, but here it is. OS 26 Tahoa is truly garbage and an affront to what Jobs and Ives built.

You can see the carelessness and horrible work throughout. Non cohesive designs, BUGS EVERYWHERE, loss of caring of whats going on behind the hood, and chasing visual eye candy over function.

Its sad.

I cant even get my tabs to work correctly in safari and have to access the sidebar to access them correct (icons bugging out etc).

Apple really needs to sit down and fire half its team and spend a whole major version update just clearing the junk that has been built up and going back to building functional systems first, we have reached windows Vista level of garbage...
??? I think it's great
 
Unfortunately I have to agree with you. Apple's software quality has declined every year since at least 2019. They've lost their way and I don't think Tim has what it takes to fix this because I don't think he even understands anything is wrong

It would require someone at the top to listen to these concerns and find engineers and management that actually have good taste and a user focus while also being able to handle the challenge of juggling so many platforms
 
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Get an AI engine to offer up specs of similar PC laptops. I did and the ASUS Zenbook with specs similar to 16" MacBook M4Pro comes out more expensive in the UK and boasts a 10 hour battery life, WITH LIGHT USE!!!!

Macs aren't cheap, but they are very good quality products and compete easily with similar specced machines.
Why would you trust an AI to do this?
 
I think the hardware (minus a couple gaffes like the titanium iPhone) is pretty rock solid. This iteration of MacBooks in particular are as good as they’ve ever been imho.

The software is where Apple is lacking. They’re headed for Microsoft levels of slop soon, if they aren’t there already.
The only reason MacOS isn't already there is because it was so solid to begin with. Both from a UI and everything else perspective.

They've been working hard to destroy every advantage the UI had and it bothers me because it was such a good UI that could've been improved in many ways. It's disappointing that the team is so inept
 
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