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Mac OS X 10.3.6 Update Now Available
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No more 60-second timeout in Safari! Thank you--now I can upload big files without having to use Camino. But I'll give the guinea pigs a couple weeks before I take the plunge 
I REALLY hope this fixes the much-discussed dialup problems with 10.3.5. I was a late adopter of that and STILL paid the price--my AlBook can now dial up maybe 4 times, and then no more unless I reboot. Apple boards suggest that many (not all) laptop owners are affected. A MAJOR pain.
It's been reported for so long that Apple must know... but it's not mentioned in the update documentation. Nothing about modems, dialup or PPP. Fingers crossed a anyway!
I REALLY hope this fixes the much-discussed dialup problems with 10.3.5. I was a late adopter of that and STILL paid the price--my AlBook can now dial up maybe 4 times, and then no more unless I reboot. Apple boards suggest that many (not all) laptop owners are affected. A MAJOR pain.
It's been reported for so long that Apple must know... but it's not mentioned in the update documentation. Nothing about modems, dialup or PPP. Fingers crossed a anyway!
With all the problems everyone's been encountering, I for one wouldn't be surprised if we saw 10.3.6.1 on the horizon in a week or so.
PB Airport Problems with 10.3.5
I don't remember when my PPB12" started having Airport dropouts after waking from sleep, but I have 10.3.5 installed. It is random, but I DO NOT have to reset the base station to get it working again. Just turn off airport (I keep my icon there in the upper right of the menu bar) and wait ~5 seconds before turning it back on. 99% of the time it works fine only occasionally do I have to do it twice. It just takes 10-15 seconds longer to get on the web. It is annoying though. I DID NOT have problems when I bought the 12" PB early this summer/late spring, but did after one of the updates (don't remember which). I always thought it was due to the WPA password and non broadcast of base station name settings I had on my DLINK router. I don't have problems at the free wifi spots I've visited. I'm going to wait for a while to see if others have problems. (That and I have to get a manuscript out this weekend and can't afford to have problems).
hornandsaxguy said:
I don't remember when my PPB12" started having Airport dropouts after waking from sleep, but I have 10.3.5 installed. It is random, but I DO NOT have to reset the base station to get it working again. Just turn off airport (I keep my icon there in the upper right of the menu bar) and wait ~5 seconds before turning it back on. 99% of the time it works fine only occasionally do I have to do it twice. It just takes 10-15 seconds longer to get on the web. It is annoying though. I DID NOT have problems when I bought the 12" PB early this summer/late spring, but did after one of the updates (don't remember which). I always thought it was due to the WPA password and non broadcast of base station name settings I had on my DLINK router. I don't have problems at the free wifi spots I've visited. I'm going to wait for a while to see if others have problems. (That and I have to get a manuscript out this weekend and can't afford to have problems).
Oh, more stuff with 10.3.5 on PB
I have had other problems lately. WITH a good airport connection signal, I've had some sites not load (random - all sites affected at some point) lately. "Safari can't find the server...." Reloading the site immediately works fine, so I dont' think it is a PB problem. Maybe my router or DSL modem is problematic? That or someone is monitoring my traffic.
I have had other problems lately. WITH a good airport connection signal, I've had some sites not load (random - all sites affected at some point) lately. "Safari can't find the server...." Reloading the site immediately works fine, so I dont' think it is a PB problem. Maybe my router or DSL modem is problematic? That or someone is monitoring my traffic.
Yep. Case in point:bousozoku said:
Code:
sh-2.05b# # Here is why they have to do it that way. BSD permissions are
sh-2.05b# # a little freaky, and setuid bits in particular have to be
sh-2.05b# # squashed a little harder than other things. Let's make
sh-2.05b# # some files.
sh-2.05b# echo honk > goose ; echo aroo > werewolf
sh-2.05b# chmod 755 goose werewolf
sh-2.05b# # Let's make werewolf setuid root.
sh-2.05b# chmod u+s werewolf
sh-2.05b# ls -l
total 16
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:51 goose
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:51 werewolf
sh-2.05b# # Now, let's replace werewolf with goose.
sh-2.05b# cp goose werewolf
sh-2.05b# ls -l
total 16
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:51 goose
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:52 werewolf
sh-2.05b# # Hey wait a minute, werewolf is still setuid! Did the cp
sh-2.05b# # really work?
sh-2.05b# cat werewolf
honk
sh-2.05b# # Yep, the file was successfully replaced, but that pesky
sh-2.05b# # setuid bit survived. They don't call it Berserkeley for
sh-2.05b# # nothing!good operating system personality, but definitely not a perfect one.
blufire said:I sent a bug report to Apple through their site > Mac OS X > Feedback. I tried zapping PRAM and going to open firmware [reset-nvram, reset-all] and that didn't help me either. Looks like it'll take a software fix from Apple
I just finish senting a bug report on the OS X 10.3.6 update myself (at apple's site:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/
I hope all of us MDD G4 tower owners who experience this sound problem would send in bug reports to Apple, cause it would help us all out in the long run.
Good job blufire!
Oh, that particular bit of stupididty (permision being put onto replaced files) is widely duplicated. Big chunks of SysV were backported from Berkeley, and of course Linux and GNU have tried very hard to mimic the behavior of their elders.bousozoku said:
That's one of the drawbacks of Unixoid systems, past mistakes are hard to throw away because fixing them introduces the risk of breaking software. Sigh. On the bright side, those goofy parts can be worked around, the folks in Redmond haven't been so lucky...
In any *nix, if you copy over an existing file the target file's permissions are preserved (setuid or setgid is irrelevant to the discussion), not just in BSD. It may not be what you long-time Mac users expect, but to those of us who came to OS X from *nix it makes perfect sense.
By default cp only worries about a file's contents. If you want to also take its permissions along, use -p:
Even if you setuid on file2, "cp -p" will overwrite the permissions.
By default cp only worries about a file's contents. If you want to also take its permissions along, use -p:
Code:
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ echo foo > file1
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ echo foo2 > file2
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ chmod 600 file2
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ ls -al file*
-rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser wheel 4 6 Nov 12:30 file1
-rw------- 1 foouser wheel 5 6 Nov 12:30 file2
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ cp -p file1 file2
overwrite file2? (y/n [n]) y
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ ls -al file*
-rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser wheel 4 6 Nov 12:30 file1
-rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser wheel 4 6 Nov 12:30 file2
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$Even if you setuid on file2, "cp -p" will overwrite the permissions.
i really dont know why people ar anxious to test new updates to OSX. why not wait a week or so at least so you know what you are getting into? i guess for some users the possibility of big fixes and little improvements makes it worth it but once my system works properly i tend not to change it.
every other update that apple release has some kind of issue w/audio/midi sequencers and plug ins. so when 10.3.3 was released i stopped there because everything works perfectly.
every other update that apple release has some kind of issue w/audio/midi sequencers and plug ins. so when 10.3.3 was released i stopped there because everything works perfectly.
fluidinclusion said:
Been having this problem too, thought it was my router (wired)
Have manually set DNS servers in on Mac now to ensure router is not touching it.
I just went to versiontracker.com and it has still not loaded a page after several minutes (no error any more mind, maybe removal for 60 sec timeout), yet I opened another tab in Safari and it loaded first time.
Odd.
Yeah, I booted up v7 to play and sure enough the brain damage goes way back.Westside guy said:
Noithing about Unix makes sense. Many started out on real operating systems, not these Unix and Mac toys, and this is why the continued presence of this brain damage persists in being so mystifying.It may not be what you long-time Mac users expect, but to those of us who came to OS X from *nix it makes perfect sense.
V7 doesn't have a -p switch, that's another Berserkeleyism
The real problem is a little bit deeper, with broken file open semantics. Why they chose to do things that way will forever be a mystery, but it's got in the way of so many things that should have been easy like automatic memory mapping and portable, reliable mandatory locks. Instead we end up with delicate little dances that futilely attempt to avoid the inevitable race conditions, or writing different code for each "compatible" system. Bleah.And of course, the pax that's actually used has a whole different set of options that do almost but not quite the same things, and permissions still can end up screwy because these tools silently ignore problems.
Installed 10.3.6 and no problems to report. Safari seems quicker and there's some sort of scrollable area coming up with aqua-style widgets for blocks of webpages that are too wide for the designated window width. Safari renders a bit faster, things are scrolling smoother, and iPhoto flips between pics on my machine faster now. All good here! Oh, btw, external FW400 HDD works great.
-Drew
-Drew
wow, did anyone else get an INSANE amount of permissions to repair? cause i usually get maybe 3-10, but this time it's been filling up the list many a second for like 10 minutes and still isnt' done yet !
revised, updated calculator
Yes, now the calculator is half the size it used to be! Looks likes something salvaged off of OS 7.5.2! :- (
Yes, now the calculator is half the size it used to be! Looks likes something salvaged off of OS 7.5.2! :- (
iMeowbot said:
Can't argue with that - not because it makes any sense, but because it's such a bizzarre statement that there's just no shared frame of reference between it and reality.
You are, of course, free to believe what you want!
If you haven't been exposed to real industrial-strength operating systems, it's understandable that you would be at a loss to understand. A book (free download even) is out there explaining the situation pretty well (yes, the author now works at MS, but was working on real computers at the time the book was written).Westside guy said:Can't argue with that - not because it makes any sense, but because it's such a bizzarre statement that there's just no shared frame of reference between it and reality.
Additionally, a paper entitled The Rise of "Worse is Better" offers a more succinct explanation of why Unix is a virus.
I went to apple support and downloaded the full update, it's working fine now.jared_kipe said:
nagromme said:
I still got one of these last night!??!
I havent noticed any problems with the update at all.
Read in another forum that this update stopped the popup box about being unable to load a site - but seems to still happen on my 17 PB