Mac OS X 10.3.8 Released

[wrldwzrd89]

Will do. I sent in one last night via the internal error reporting mechanism. WoW crashed after selecting character and trying to enter world.

Can anyone tell me how to rollback this update? Can I just install the 10.3.7 combo over it to revert back to 10.3.7? I tried changing processor performance to "Highest" and it made no difference on my new fan noise.

You didn't read the whole thread, did you? I posted earlier about this...

Anyway, all you can do is reinstall from your Mac OS X restore disc(s), then apply the 10.3.7 Combo Update. It's not possible to downgrade in the way you mentioned.

 

[Eric5h5]

Installed 10.3.8, noted an increase in fan noise from, I believe, my ATI X800.

WoW crashes 100% of the time. I can not run the program.

This is on a fresh install (5 days old) of my PM G5 1.8 (single), 2.5 GB RAM, ATI X800 that was working fine. (Played WoW for 5 hours before installing 10.3.8).

I repaired permissions twice and reinstalled the ATI drivers from the X800 disk with no changes. The increased fan noise scales as I do "stuff" on the machine. Reminds me of the G5 iMac that I couldn't stand and returned for a refund. I want my perfectly quiet machine back.

I also notice fan noise from my X800 now, when I didn't notice it before. Previously, the X800 could potentially be noticeable when running some graphics-intensive games, but that was only theoretical since sound from the game would mask the fan noise anyway (unless I had my speakers turned off). But now I can hear the X800 fan making random pitch changes when I'm not gaming. Doesn't seem to be related to "stuff" I'm doing, but I'm not sure. Is kind of annoying.... Too bad re-installing drivers doesn't work, but maybe I'll try that anyway just for the heck of it.

--Eric

 

[Multimedia]

10.3.8 Mail Not Sending Is SBC DSL's Fault Coincidental Timing

Turned out to be SBC DSL's fault. They recently put the kabosh on port 25 and you have to email them to release it for your account. Found out about it at Apple Support Discussions in the Mail & Address Book department.

The string that explains how to fix it is:
"Having trouble sending mail with SBC DSL?"

Gary Lieber posted the solution:
" On Saturday SBC invoked new security rules that blocked all SMTP mail services from providers other than SBC. (and forgot to tell anyone, even their 1st level tech support!) This blocking is associated with your primary SBC username and your DSL PPoE profile . The end result is that you can receive mail from your mail service, but not connect to send mail.

To get this fixed go to:
this webpage at SBC

and request port 25 opt out

I figured this out only by trial and error, and finally getting someone at SBC in the US that knew about this new policy."

So nothing is/was wrong with 10.3.8. It is all SBC's fault and something in 10.3.8 brought it out that was covered up in 10.3.7 OR it was a timing coincidence since they are just now obscuring Port 25 on a roll out since February 1.

I can feel the 10.3.8 difference. It is significantly faster and smoother.

 

[Abulia]

I also notice fan noise from my X800 now, when I didn't notice it before. Previously, the X800 could potentially be noticeable when running some graphics-intensive games, but that was only theoretical since sound from the game would mask the fan noise anyway (unless I had my speakers turned off). But now I can hear the X800 fan making random pitch changes when I'm not gaming.

Good to hear (pardon the pun) that's it's not just me. No change reinstalling drivers, repairing persmissions, or changing processor performance. Real annoying pitch changes, even just browsing the web.

Guess I'm installing 10.3.7 again, which is really annoying since I just installed Panther six days ago. This was a squeaky-clean system so I don't think there was any "garbage" responsible for my system acting up.

 

[pubwvj]

Thanks for figuring out the iShock conflict.

If you're exeriencing slow downs, check the Activity Monitor in the Applications:Utility folder and sort by %CPU. Very handy for figuring out who's a hog.

 

[rog]

No problems here with an MDD 867 and iBook G3 800!

 

[Lacero]

I just noticed the pulsing light on my cinema display is no longer on when my computer is on. This is a feature I think. Why? Cause when you are watching a DVD in a darkened room, the light becomes a distraction. You don't need the light to tell you the monitor is on, because obviously the screen will either have a screen saver or you can see your desktop.

 

[Rick Friele]

I just noticed the pulsing light on my cinema display is no longer on when my computer is on. This is a feature I think. Why? Cause when you are watching a DVD in a darkened room, the light becomes a distraction. You don't need the light to tell you the monitor is on, because obviously the screen will either have a screen saver or you can see your desktop.

It's been like that. I have held off on 10.3.8 because of the G5 fan problems, but my light has always been off on my cinema display so long as my computer is on.

 

[MyLeftNut]

Um. Dont know if this has been mentioned. Sorry if it has. I just tried to download the update but the update dialog box had two parts to 10.3.8 and neither would load. Attempts at downloading bring a red exclamation mark warning and a message syaing that the server or something couldnt be found...have apple taken it off the servers? I've never seen this before...

 

[drlunanerd]

Safari is much faster now at rendering web pages, especially from eBay.
Great update so far on my PowerMac Gigabit Ethernet 1.4GHZ.
No problems on a PowerBook 12" Rev. A either.

 

[safin]

strange kind of humor...

"Addresses an issue in which a PowerBook G4 computer would, on rare occasion, wake from sleep with a black screen and not respond to any keyboard, mouse, or trackpad input."

Was this issue only on PowerBooks because I seem to remember this happening to me a few times on my iBook G4. Ah well, anyways... I'll install and hope it fixes the issue.

well, in my case, the update adressed this issue in the sense that it DIDN'T exist BEFORE the update... AND NOW IT DOES!!

is that a sick kind of humor, or just a bugproducing bugfix?!

my tiBook 867 slept well in 10.3.7, and didn't have any problems waking up. but now, the symptom-that-I-didn't-have-but-that-should-have-been-fixed-anyway hit me in all it's beauty...

it's about time for 10.3.9....

greetings,
s

 

[Abulia]

Er, oops!

I'm feeling a bit silly. I played around some more and my WoW problems do not appear to be related to 10.3.8. Found that I can login with other characters on other servers but attempting to connect via my main character crashes the game every time.

As I logged off from WoW, installed 10.3.8, and then tried WoW later I incorrectly assumed (I know, I know) that 10.3.8 is what "broke" WoW.

I still have a fan noise problem of "ramping up" no matter how minor the load. (Sounds like my x800.)

 

[arkmannj]

problems

PowerBook G4 Ti 667mhz
and
powermac duel g4 1ghz (quicksilver)

neither sleep properly after updating to 10.3.8

they freeze at a black screen & won't wake up, the lights don't "throb" like the computers usually do when a sleep.

I thought the update was supposed to "fix" this issue (I never had that issue to begin with but I sure do now)

how do I roll back to 10.3.7 ? (without a complete reinstall)

EDIT: I've also had strange behaviors in Mail starting after the update.

Has anyone else submitted these issues to Apple ?

 

[beerguy]

Upgrade on my PB went fine. The iMac G5, however, no longer boots.


An archive install is running now....

 

[Abulia]

Fan-tastic

Still no joy in getting my fans back to "silent mode" from 10.3.7. Tried the following:

1. Reset NVRAM
reset-nvram
reset-all

2. Reset PRAM

3. Reinstalled 10.3.8 using Combo (110 MB) update

4. Switched processor performance to Highest (then back to Auto, back to Highest)

5. Repaired permissions multiple times

6. Ran system cleanup tasks

Resetting the NVRAM *might* have reduced the fan noise slightly. I honestly can't tell. I can tell that my PM's fan are more active and making more noise, even on the simplest of tasks (opening Finder, Mail, opening System Preferences).

Gonna sleep on it and debate installing 10.3.7 tomorrow if I have time.

 

[Bye Bye Baby]

Updated but where is my HD icon?

Has anyone noticed that the active application under the new update removes the unactive open applications from the desktop- this includes the HD icon when you have not got the finder selected on desktop? This is quite annoying- I wish apple wouldn't go playing with my settings, if I wanted someone to stuf my computer I would go WINDOWS. Anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks

 

[wrldwzrd89]

Has anyone noticed that the active application under the new update removes the unactive open applications from the desktop- this includes the HD icon when you have not got the finder selected on desktop? This is quite annoying- I wish apple wouldn't go playing with my settings, if I wanted someone to stuf my computer I would go WINDOWS. Anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks

I would just turn the HD icon back on in Finder's Preferences and be done with it...

I don't understand what you mean by "unactive open applications" on the desktop...you really shouldn't store applications there anyway (except Classic apps, which are much less picky, and don't mind being on the desktop).

It's perfectly fine to put ALIASES of commonly used applications on the desktop...are you saying these disappeared on you when you updated to 10.3.8?

 

[sash]

bad update...

Same story. Fans speeding up every 10-15 seconds on G5 2 x 2.5, while on another partition with 10.3.7 everything's cool. No problems on G4 PM after update though. Hope they re-update this update asap.

 

[iriejedi]

CD noise-our expectations

Just out of curiousity - anyone mistaking fan reving with their DVD drives.... the only time I pseduo freaked at fan reving (ie the loudest noise to ever com from my 2.5) I hit the eject button and all was quiet again. My DVD drive when it reves up is way louder then the fans - and while that is still not 'loud' - it does sound like a major fan ramp up session.



On the other had I wonder if we have just set the bar so high for Apple with our love for the G3 b/w and before (probably many of the newest G4s as well) where the fact that they were so 'slow' and the fans so small being only for the power supply - maybe our expectations are out of proportion with the power of these new machines?

My suggestion - if you think your G5 is noisy and the fans drive you nuts - go buy a $600 PC (no monitor needed) boot it up anywhere in the room and use it as a white noise generator. You will NEVER hear you G5 again. My HP A610N is wickedly louder then my G5.

Another suggestion I have not yet seen - set processor at reduced for day to day stuff - web/email even iLife - fans NEVER rev (ok they ar 99% steady). But set on highest for WOW or UT2k4 etc... the 5.1 channel fiberoptics sound will really mask any fan rev noise!

Yeah it's a weekend!

Irie

PS - I find 10.3.8 a good update. Program speeds are noticably increased and the fans are a sweet sounds these days.

Just tried it on my Dual 2.5 - no increase in fan noise whatsoever...

 

[wdlove]

Turned out to be SBC DSL's fault. They recently put the kabosh on port 25 and you have to email them to release it for your account. Found out about it at Apple Support Discussions in the Mail & Address Book department.

I can feel the 10.3.8 difference. It is significantly faster and smoother.

Does anyone know if there is a similar port problem from Earthlink? Mail won't load on our Mac's, also have the wireless setup.

 

[daveL]

Does anyone know if there is a similar port problem from Earthlink? Mail won't load on our Mac's, also have the wireless setup.

the SBC problem was outgoing mail only; incoming mail was still working. Is that your problem?

 

[wdlove]

the SBC problem was outgoing mail only; incoming mail was still working. Is that your problem?

Hi daveL, this is very interesting. I have been using Entourage for several years. When I switched to Mac OS X January 2004. Mail would open but wouldn't download and had to do a force quite to close. So I just checked it now and it worked opened, downloaded message, deleted, and closed wit no problem. So either Earthlink fixed the problem on their end, which was thought to be the problem. Or one of Apple's updates has fixed the problem. My wife has already downloaded Mac OS X 10.3.8, so when she gets home I will have her check it on her PowerBook.

 

[Eric5h5]

My suggestion - if you think your G5 is noisy and the fans drive you nuts - go buy a $600 PC (no monitor needed) boot it up anywhere in the room and use it as a white noise generator. You will NEVER hear you G5 again. My HP A610N is wickedly louder then my G5.

That's not the issue. It's the random nature of the revving that's the problem. If this update had increased my X800 fan noise somewhat, but it was a STEADY noise, I would have been a bit annoyed for five minutes and then I probably would have gotten over it.

This is basic human interface design...random stuff that you can't control is way more annoying than non-random stuff, even if the random stuff seems--on the surface--to be trivial. The fans in my dual 2.5 G5 do rev to the point where they are very obvious, but since I can consistently get them to do this (or not), it's not really a problem. (And the computer fan behavior seems unchanged by this update as far as I can tell.) Though I'd still prefer a higher-but-more-steady RPM if I had a choice.

But the X800 fan was barely louder than the fanless 9600 it replaced, before. Now it draws attention to itself by changing pitch randomly. This IS a problem, and the fact that it's still a lot less loud than a typical PC is irrelevant.

--Eric

 

[Lacero]

I notice when I compress MPEG2 videos, the fan stays relatively quiet. Its only when the compression finishes that a few seconds later, the fan revs up for several seconds before idling down again. This doesn't seem normal. Shouldn't the fan be revving higher during the actual compression? One of the many mysteries.

 

[VIREBEL661]

ACHTUNG!

I've installed 10.3.8 on two of my Macs, and now the both have FULL HARD DRIVES. When all folders on drives are selected and 'Get Info' is displayed, they show the proper size of what should be on the drive (in this case, one is about half full, the other about a quarter full). For some reason, the drive keeps writing until the disk is full... When doing a Find on file size, nothing out of the ordinary shows up. The only thing I can figure is that there's an issue with the swap partition and 10.3.8 - this was the only thing changed on these computers (the download of 10.3.8). Luckily, on my desktop I have a backup hard drive running 10.3.7, which allows me to write this message to the community.

If anyone else out there is having this problem, and possibly has a solution, please let me know - as it would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise, as a warning to the community - I wouldn't recommend an update to 10.3.8 until whatever this issue is gets squared away... On to Apple next to see what I can figure out...