Mac OS X 10.4.2 This Week?

[MaRXeDES]

Slow Loading

I noticed that ever since I upgraded to Tiger, my iBook G4 starts up pretty slow. It'll remain on the white screen with the Apple logo for quite some time before Tiger starts. Any ideas why?









iBook G4 - 1.33GHz, 768MB DDR RAM, 60GB HDD, 14.1'' TFT, Combo Drive
music - iPod mini 4GB Silver

 

[killuminati]

I found the opposite. My powerbook starts up twice as fast since upgrading to tiger.

 

[CelticBhoy]

Did I stumble upon a Windows forum?

Guess I'm a bit conservative with my computer -- I didn't move to OS X until we were at 10.3.1! I'm sure I won't move to Tiger for at least another six months.

Good point, but with 3% market share these problems are largely an inconvenience. With 30% it would be a disaster. But not that XP is much better.

 

[VanNess]

I noticed that ever since I upgraded to Tiger, my iBook G4 starts up pretty slow. It'll remain on the white screen with the Apple logo for quite some time before Tiger starts. Any ideas why?

Just a guess, but it might be hunting for a valid start-up system folder. If you go to system preferences and select startup disk, then the OS folder you want to start up from (in this case 10.4), see if that reduces the time.

 

[Mechcozmo]

iBook G4 - 1.33GHz, 768MB DDR RAM, 60GB HDD, 14.1'' TFT, Combo Drive
music - iPod mini 4GB Silver

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[BWhaler]

No thats not what happens to mine. My dock gets frozen into the screen in a certain possition (maybe being moused over or whatever). And it gets frozen like in windows. I try going to the dock preferences and nothing I click has any effect on it. Nothing even happens when I click hide/show the dock. I try quitting the dock but that doesn't even work.

The only thing that will get me a working dock again is to log out then in again.

This is a known bug. Fixed in .2, I believe.

 

[seashellz]

well, Im hoping for a 10.4.2 disc where all of the latest updates are integrated into it. I hate to install, install, install to update everything;
Since we cannot get DSL here and cable is too expensive, downloading almost ANY update is a pain.

 

[newtonuk]

well, Im hoping for a 10.4.2 disc where all of the latest updates are integrated into it. I hate to install, install, install to update everything;
Since we cannot get DSL here and cable is too expensive, downloading almost ANY update is a pain.

I order the UTD Tiger disc and the order acknowledgement, despatch note and invoice all referred to 10.4.2 Tiger DVD.

However, when I received it and tried to perform an update on my current install the system reported that the version I had installed is newer than the version I was trying to install.

I currently have 10.4.1 installed.

Is this going to be a matter of flattening my PB and starting again or is the reference to 10.4.2 incorrect?

 

[Zaty]

Tiger is now finished

Apple seeded build 8C33 yesterday, according to macnews.net.tc. 10.4.2 is expected to fix almost 100(!) bugs.

So together with the already exceptionally long list of bugs fixed in 10.4.1, I stick to what I said before in this very thread: Tiger was not finished yet when it was declared gold master. However, that doesn't mean it wasn't ready then.

I said, 10.4 and 10.4.1 were public beta, I may have to reword that sentence a little, by calling 10.4 and 10.4.1 "release candidates" rather than "beta". The idea of a release candidate is to have a version that is feature complete and stable but may still contain a few bugs that, depending on how bad they are, might get fixed before the official release or not until a later.

Like I already said, Apple decided to ship Tiger in late April regardless if it was completely finished or not. Despite those many bugs they have fixed since the initial release, Tiger didn't have major bugs like Panther, so there's no way to blame Apple for that decision. That being said, working on Tiger a bit longer wouldn't have hurt, either.

 

[BWhaler]

Apple seeded build 8C33 yesterday, according to macnews.net.tc. 10.4.2 is expected to fix almost 100(!) bugs.

So together with the already exceptionally long list of bugs fixed in 10.4.1, I stick to what I said before in this very thread: Tiger was not finished yet when it was declared gold master. However, that doesn't mean it wasn't ready then.

I said, 10.4 and 10.4.1 were public beta, I may have to reword that sentence a little, by calling 10.4 and 10.4.1 "release candidates" rather than "beta". The idea of a release candidate is to have a version that is feature complete and stable but may still contain a few bugs that, depending on how bad they are, might get fixed before the official release or not until a later.

Like I already said, Apple decided to ship Tiger in late April regardless if it was completely finished or not. Despite those many bugs they have fixed since the initial release, Tiger didn't have major bugs like Panther, so there's no way to blame Apple for that decision. That being said, working on Tiger a bit longer wouldn't have hurt, either.

I agree with your first thought. These were public betas as far as I am concerned. Calling 10.4 and 10.4.1 Release Candidates is too generous given the amoung of basic functionality which did not work.

I really hope that .2 is the release we have all been waiting for. Yes, every OS, every app has bugs. But core functionality in Tiger was broken--spotlight, sync, mail, audio chat--and that is just unacceptable.

I hope my days of continually errors on mail syncing, not being able to audio chat with Panther users, and spotlight's hit or miss searches are over.

I want to love Tiger. I really do. Bring on .2, but not until it is ready to bring Tiger to the level of quality we all deserve.

 

[MaRXeDES]

Situation getting worse!!!

The startup time is getting from bad to worse...I actually timed my iBook from the time the chime sounded to the time it took for everything to be loaded..and it was almost 4 mins.....i didn't experience this problem when i was using Panther....what's the cause of this...could be a faulty battery or hard drive?

 

[powerbook911]

I must admit that I've had virtually no problems, with 10.4 or 10.4.1. I do quite a bit of stuff with my mac as well, and I've enjoyed Tiger, from day 1. Nevertheless, I'm eager to see, if I notice any changes in 10.4.2.

 

[~Shard~]

The startup time is getting from bad to worse...I actually timed my iBook from the time the chime sounded to the time it took for everything to be loaded..and it was almost 4 mins.....i didn't experience this problem when i was using Panther....what's the cause of this...could be a faulty battery or hard drive?

It's tough to say, but I wouldn't rule out the OS. I had a similar problem with my iMac for some reason wirh 10.3.8 - it would take well over a minute to boot - but 10.3.9 fixed that, so who knows! And not everyone experienced that problem either of course, so it's weird how these anomalies seem to surface from time to time...

But in your case, there may indeed be something else at fault as you suggested if it is taking 4 minutes to boot - to me that's unacceptable and mroe than just a "slight delay", or a sluggish boot sequence. But, there have been some pretty serious issues reported with Tiger so far, so as I said above, I wouldn't rule it out. Sorry I couldn't offer any more insight though!

 

[7on]

The startup time is getting from bad to worse...I actually timed my iBook from the time the chime sounded to the time it took for everything to be loaded..and it was almost 4 mins.....i didn't experience this problem when i was using Panther....what's the cause of this...could be a faulty battery or hard drive?

Boot off of the Tiger disks and use the "Repair Disk" option under Disk Utility. That solved m problem of a flashing ? on a folder that I got whenever I booted.

EDit: This is also the last day of the work week... *crosses fingers for .2*

 

[wdlove]

EDit: This is also the last day of the work week... *crosses fingers for .2*

I was surprised that 10.4.2 wasn't released yesterday, going some prior posts. Apple must still be putting on some finishing touches. I'm sure that they want quality on release.

 

[Mac_Freak]

"graphics drivers"

Fingers crossed this will solve the problem I (and a few others I've heard from) have had with flickering on a PB-driven ACD which started with the updated drivers in the 10.4.1 update. Shows itself on full screen DVD playback, RSS screensaver, panning on the pictures screensaver etc.

I get the flickering when working in iMovie also in sys pref when there is RSS visuliser preview playing. I hope it will be fixed too. It kind of a scared me on the begining.

 

[Joe Reale]

I keep checking sites like Macrumors and Maupdate for the 10.4.2 update. Only a few days left.

I just wonder if this update will fix those little blurry app badges on minimized windows. It doesn't hurt anything but they weren't like that in Panther.

 

[Mac_Freak]

Oh two more thing. Two days ago my PB locked up while in Photoshop I wasn't to happy about that. Also for the first time since I own a PB it got Kernel Panic while disconecting power supply. Which was wirde becouse I did the PMU, PRam and fsck resets and hardware tests couple days before that happened. Plus I still get random Kernel Panics on wake from sleep.

 

[Mac_Freak]

10.4.2 update next week guys thinksecret.com

 

[Mechcozmo]

The startup time is getting from bad to worse...I actually timed my iBook from the time the chime sounded to the time it took for everything to be loaded..and it was almost 4 mins.....i didn't experience this problem when i was using Panther....what's the cause of this...could be a faulty battery or hard drive?

Is your computer set to start from a Network Drive? Check under System Preferences->Startup Disk. Make sure it reads your internal Tiger volume. And check Disk Utility's SMART testing value for your drive to see if it is going bad.

 

[BWhaler]

I keep checking sites like Macrumors and Maupdate for the 10.4.2 update. Only a few days left.

Me too.

But I am currently resigned to the bugginess of Tiger--albeit still pissed off about it.

And frankly, I'd rather Apple take another week or two and just keep banging out bugs so Tiger finally has some quality in it.

But if .2 is as billed, and truly is release quality with the bugs fixed in spotlight, audio chat, mail, sync, dashboard, etc, I will be ecstatic to get it early next week.

If those those things aren't truly fixed and working as billed, I'd rather Apple hold off on .2. Tiger is bad enough where little patches along the way doesn't cut it and will just add to the frustration.

Anyway, fingers crossed...I want to love Tiger...I really do. Such potential, lost in a sea of bugs...

 

[MikeTheC]

I'm going to start out by asking the posters of this thread a simple question:

Why is it alright for those who have had no problems to rip those who have?

From my reading here, you're attacking people who have done upgrades, archive installs and[/i][/i] clean installs on quite a wide assortment of hardware. I really don't think that's cool at all, and think that shows a lack of manners.

Now, true, I have not had the slightest difficulty with either 10.3 or 10.4, and equally true I've only ever done clean installs of OSs since the old days of 3.2/4.1, but I would be interested in finding out what is at the root of this disparity.

So, I'm willing to provide a starting set of data to "compare notes", and hope that at least some here would like to contribute to this.

As I said above, I'm in the "No Problems" category. I have used:

10.3.0-10.3.9 on:

iBook G3/600; PowerBook G4/1.5GHz; iMac G4/800


10.4.0-10.4.1 on:

PowerBook G4/1.5GHz


In all cases, I've had every (or almost every) single revision of all the apps and utilities Apple has bundled with each respective OS release.


Now, in fairness, I only briefly used Mail under 10.3, replacing it due to lack of functionality with Thunderbird and then ultimately Entourage 2004, which was so ridiculously faster than Thunderbird I simply couldn't believe it.

I use iTunes heavilly, used Safari almost exclusively until the 1.0 release of Firefox (now I hardly ever use Safari but only because of functionality -- read page rendering -- not because of difficulties). I use Preview quite a lot. Now presently only on my iMac G4 I use iPhoto quite a lot, iMovie never except when I did a demo project on my PB before I switched to Tiger, and iDVD only once as part of the demo project. I have used GarageBand a fair amount on the PB before going to Tiger.

Ok, that's about all. Thoughts?

 

[CubaTBird]

10.4.2 update next week guys thinksecret.com

i guess so...

 

[wdlove]

I'm going to start out by asking the posters of this thread a simple question:

Why is it alright for those who have had no problems to rip those who have?

Ok, that's about all. Thoughts?

I'm another user that hasn't incurred any problems with the update. I personally don't disparage those that have problems. Just try to empathize with them. Hoping that they will have fix soon.

 

[Dave Marsh]

I fully agreed that it's inappropriate to make disparaging remarks in these forums, simply because it's ineffective, if for no other reason.

My reason for posting I'm not having an issue with X is simply to let people know that there may be nothing wrong with X. A while back I was convinced that something was wrong with a Panther update's networking. On my two desktop Macs at home they would both lose their Internet connectivity every couple of weeks. Not at the same time, so that whatever the issue was, it seemed to reside in the Macs individually. I spent a couple of months posting queries on several forums detailing the details of my configuration, and my attempts to solve it. While several came back and said they were also having similar problems (which reinforced my feeling that the problem was with Panther), a noticeable lack of response from the dozens of others who read the posts led me to wonder if the problem wasn't with Panther. In fact, many posted that they'd been running the same version for longer than I had, with no networking issues at all.

I also had a couple of Windows PCs on this same network, and they weren't having any connectivity issues. And neither was my iBook, but it was only connected in the evenings when I elected to browse from bed.

Finally, I decided to try something completely different. I purchased a Zoom DSL modem to swap out with my SpeedStream DSL modem, and the problem disappeared.

So, I don't think we should suggest that people posting they're having no problems is somehow a negative. I know it's that deafening lack of support that finally pushed me to try something else to fix my problem.