Mac OS X 10.4.3 Released

[aprilfools]

Well... I'm not really sure what acid search is and why everyone seems to think it's so important. I don't have any problems finding websites with Safari. you shouldn't either. I can't believe everyone's needs are so unique that acid search is that important.

I did the automatic software update, the big one, long reboot, repaired permissions, and thought, "Hey, this is nice, Finder is faster, Safari is faster, but AcidSearch is not compatible." Soon I saw an update for AcidSearch posted (thank you). Not long after that I decided to trash some stuff. I found the problem with OnyX eventually, went through the song and dance with the AppleScript errors . . . maybe I should have just done a force quit on the bloody thing. I didn't though and let it execute routine maintenance, pushing through the error boxes. Big mistake, got my problems then, Safari turned into a dog, some folders changed places, and some even disappearing. While I still had some of my hair left I went to the Apple site, downloaded 10.4.3, installed it, and in the process overwriting the previously installed update. It worked like a charm, folders back, in place, and all seems better than 10.4.2. Yes, everything is "snappier." Some of my widgets stopped working but I am not letting that bother me, I needed to weed the bunch anyway. I was happy with the update, I wasn't happy with it, and now I am happy with it.

 

[Jerry1726]

I don't have any problems finding websites-AcidSearch just turns the single Google search box into a multi-search engine, and you can direct searches to specific web sites from the Google box in your Safari toolbar. It does more-find out. If you have no trouble finding websites then find that one and learn more.

 

[EricNau]

Sorry if this is a repeat of what someone already said, I'm sorry.
BUT WHATEVER YOU DO NOT INSTALL THIS UPDATE!
I put it on one of my iMacs, works just fine.
Tried putting it on another, nearly identical iMac, and now it doesn't startup. I never get past the grey apple startup screen, I've let it sit there for over 10 minutes, it just isn't going to do anything. The fan is also really loud and fast.
I called up my Apple Store and the lady that answered the phone had heard of such problems that only affect certain systems.
WAIT A WEEK OR SO TO DOWNLOAD THIS!
Any thoughts on how to fix this?

 

[kretzy]

Were you talking about the Hp color laserjet 1500? Because i had problems with that printer and the update didn't fixed it for me...

Yeah that's the printer I was talking about. After updating, I just plugged it in and it worked. Have you got the most recent drivers from the HP website? If that doesn't help, I'm not sure what else you can do...

 

[Loke]

Im beginning to agree with people who says stay away from 10.4.3 for the time being. There are so many problems with this update, I dont even know where to start. But the single most critical error which has just begun to surface, is the failures Disk Utility "verify disk" started reporting after 10.4.3.

Try to run Disk Utility "verify disk" yourself, and you will most likely find a whole lot of problems with the HFS+ fs. When rebooting into safe-mode and performing fsck, it might not even report these problems! In fact, Ive had fsck report different results on consecutive runs - despite the fs being read-write!

This is a (nowhere near complete) list of problems found so far:

- Disk Utility problems reporting filesystem failures/corruption
- Increased fan rev
- Motion Sensor on iBook/PB fail to initialize
- Bluetooth not recognized or bluetooth icon disappearing from status bar
- Problems with wake-from-sleep for some users
- 3rd party Safari plugins incompability
- Citrix client broken in Safari (some claim it works)
- Adobe Illustrator CS2 plugin problems
- Toast 6.X 1:1 CD-copy not working (some claim it works)
- Minimize button on certain windows are reported to disappear/grey out, and minimize do not work. Restarting the application in question fixes the issues.
- Intro-video / registration re-appear for no reason
- Keychain issues where OSX asks for password for keychain "System"
- OnyX AppleScript issues

+ the numerous issues everyone in this thread reported. We are closing in on 800 messages here... If this decline in quality control for OSX continues, the damage to its reputation can be around for a very long time. Look at what happened to MS Windows during its rise. Windows will *never* get rid of its bad rep.

 

[infectbda]

The new update kicks a$$ as far as I'm concerned. Fixed a strange problem I was having where Spotlight would just stop indexing new files. Everything for me seems "snappier" or "faster" or whatever also.

I don't know if anyone else mentioned this yet, but I noticed one other really awesome difference. On my Rev B iMac G5, it would refuse to switch from my headphones to the internal speakers when I pulled the plug out, or it would take a ridiculous amount of time (like several seconds). Now, it seems to be almost instantaneously, and I haven't had any problems with it.

 

[devman]

Im beginning to agree with people who says stay away from 10.4.3 for the time being. There are so many problems with this update, I dont even know where to start. But the single most critical error which has just begun to surface, is the failures Disk Utility "verify disk" started reporting after 10.4.3.

Try to run Disk Utility "verify disk" yourself, and you will most likely find a whole lot of problems with the HFS+ fs. When rebooting into safe-mode and performing fsck, it might not even report these problems! In fact, Ive had fsck report different results on consecutive runs - despite the fs being read-write!

This is a (nowhere near complete) list of problems found so far:

- Disk Utility problems reporting filesystem failures/corruption
- Increased fan rev
- Motion Sensor on iBook/PB fail to initialize
- Bluetooth not recognized or bluetooth icon disappearing from status bar
- Problems with wake-from-sleep for some users
- 3rd party Safari plugins incompability
- Citrix client broken in Safari (some claim it works)
- Adobe Illustrator CS2 plugin problems
- Toast 6.X 1:1 CD-copy not working (some claim it works)
- Minimize button on certain windows are reported to disappear/grey out, and minimize do not work. Restarting the application in question fixes the issues.
- Intro-video / registration re-appear for no reason
- Keychain issues where OSX asks for password for keychain "System"
- OnyX AppleScript issues

+ the numerous issues everyone in this thread reported. We are closing in on 800 messages here... If this decline in quality control for OSX continues, the damage to its reputation can be around for a very long time. Look at what happened to MS Windows during its rise. Windows will *never* get rid of its bad rep.

sensationalist and poorly reasoned.

 

[frenetic]

Im beginning to agree with people who says stay away from 10.4.3 for the time being. There are so many problems with this update, I dont even know where to start. But the single most critical error which has just begun to surface, is the failures Disk Utility "verify disk" started reporting after 10.4.3.

Try to run Disk Utility "verify disk" yourself, and you will most likely find a whole lot of problems with the HFS+ fs. When rebooting into safe-mode and performing fsck, it might not even report these problems! In fact, Ive had fsck report different results on consecutive runs - despite the fs being read-write!

This is a (nowhere near complete) list of problems found so far:

- Disk Utility problems reporting filesystem failures/corruption
- Increased fan rev
- Motion Sensor on iBook/PB fail to initialize
- Bluetooth not recognized or bluetooth icon disappearing from status bar
- Problems with wake-from-sleep for some users
- 3rd party Safari plugins incompability
- Citrix client broken in Safari (some claim it works)
- Adobe Illustrator CS2 plugin problems
- Toast 6.X 1:1 CD-copy not working (some claim it works)
- Minimize button on certain windows are reported to disappear/grey out, and minimize do not work. Restarting the application in question fixes the issues.
- Intro-video / registration re-appear for no reason
- Keychain issues where OSX asks for password for keychain "System"
- OnyX AppleScript issues

+ the numerous issues everyone in this thread reported. We are closing in on 800 messages here... If this decline in quality control for OSX continues, the damage to its reputation can be around for a very long time. Look at what happened to MS Windows during its rise. Windows will *never* get rid of its bad rep.

Ok let's take a look at this:
- Disk utility: I haven't experienced it but if other people do this is indeed a problem.
- increased fan rev: idem
- motion sensor: idem
- bluetooth:if the bluetooth icon dispappears from the menu bar you just add it again. Has happened a million times to me, in 10.2, 10.3, and the last time it happened to me was in 10.4.2. You just add it again, for christ's sake.
- problem with wake from sleep: that is a problem indeed.
- 3rd party plug ins is the problem of the 3rd party plug ins developer, not Mac OSX. That is why developers get seeds, remember?
- Citrix: idem
- Adobe: idem
- Toast: idem
- Intro-video reappearing: my life will never be the same again after having seen the tiger video TWICE... As Captain Kurtz would say: "The horror... the horror..."
- Keychain issue: don't have this, but happened a LOT to me in 10.3.
- Onyx: again, that is the task of the Onyx developer... and the patch is already out FYI

Of all the "grave" things you have posted, 4 are valid ones, all the rest is just minor annoyances that are solved after a first run or when the developers release a patch. Aren't we a bit overexaggerating here?

I am quite happy with this update, Tiger feels as solid as Panther used to feel, although it is not perfect and probably never will be. But calling it "so many problems that I don't know where to start" is just computational hyperventilation.

 

[Loke]

- bluetooth:if the bluetooth icon dispappears from the menu bar you just add it again. Has happened a million times to me, in 10.2, 10.3, and the last time it happened to me was in 10.4.2. You just add it again, for christ's sake.

The bluetooth card has also failed to be detected altogether for some people, its not just the annoyance of the bluetooth icon.

- 3rd party plug ins is the problem of the 3rd party plug ins developer, not Mac OSX. That is why developers get seeds, remember?
- Citrix: idem
- Adobe: idem
- Toast: idem
- Onyx: again, that is the task of the Onyx developer... and the patch is already out FYI

Except that this is a minor update, not a major one. Its not like they had an ABI change. Dont try to make this issue minor than it is. For any business, a minor OS update breaking 3rd party applications is UNACCEPTABLE.

Aren't we a bit overexaggerating here?

Yes, and you know that keyboard issue Apple "supposedly" fixed from the release notes? Guess they didnt fixed it after all, because ALT+TAB still write error messages to widowserver.log.

 

[frenetic]

The bluetooth card has also failed to be detected altogether for some people, its not just the annoyance of the bluetooth icon.



Except that this is a minor update, not a major one. Its not like they had an ABI change. Dont try to make this issue minor than it is. For any business, a minor OS update breaking 3rd party applications is UNACCEPTABLE.



Yes, and you know that keyboard issue Apple "supposedly" fixed from the release notes? Guess they didnt fixed it after all, because ALT+TAB still write error messages to widowserver.log.

Bluetooth: Ok, that makes five issues that I consider "issues", although Macfixit reports that in some cases you can solve it by desactivating and then activating bluetooth again in the system preferences.

Re: minor updates breaking 3rd party: it's a long time ago that I worked on Windows but I remember service packs breaking apps as well. Of course I would prefer everything to work perfectly, but both OnyX as well as Pith Helmet were updated within 48 hours of the release of 10.4.3. BTW, Pith Helmet only didn't load as a safety measure, technically it didn't break anything.

Just tried the alt tab thing and no error message in windowserver.log

Sorry I reacted a bit harsh but your post sounded as if 10.4.3 broke the whole OS, and all the things you mention a. only happen on particular configurations and are not the experience of the majority of mac users, and b. you make it sound as if 10.4.3 was rushed out with major issues in there, which it is not. Remember when they released Panther and it erased firewire HD's (where people had backed up their data): THAT is a major issue, as well as the fact that they still haven't solved the lock-up issues people are experiencing with 1.8 Ghz G5's... (not writing one one of them, BTW, but I understand people are upset about it). The things you mentioned are annoying glitches, perhaps minor issues, but no major issues.

 

[nborders]

I don't see much change on the surface. That is a good thing.

~n

 

[dr_lha]

Just to counter all the negativity on this thread. I installed 10.4.3 on 4 machines so far: A 1Ghz 12" PB, 1.33Gb 12" iBook, a 1.8GHz DP G5 and a 2.0Ghz DP G5. All machines are working fine.

In the case of the 12" PB its like I got a new machine. 10.4.2 was all about spinny beach balls and 55C+ CPU temperatures. Under 10.4.3 I'm down to 50C+ CPU temps (so less fan) and everything is much more responsive. Spotlight is now amazingly fast compared to 10.4.2 as well.

All of these machines apart from the 2.0Ghz G5 have bluetooth, with no issues. The laptops both have wifi, no issues. Everything is hunky dory. IMHO, 10.4.3 is one of the best updates I've seen.

Only issue I saw was Onyx broke with the Applescript error, but they already released a fix.

 

[Noiseboy]

Just to counter all the negativity on this thread. I installed 10.4.3 on 4 machines so far: A 1Ghz 12" PB, 1.33Gb 12" iBook, a 1.8GHz DP G5 and a 2.0Ghz DP G5. All machines are working fine.

In the case of the 12" PB its like I got a new machine. 10.4.2 was all about spinny beach balls and 55C+ CPU temperatures. Under 10.4.3 I'm down to 50C+ CPU temps (so less fan) and everything is much more responsive. Spotlight is now amazingly fast compared to 10.4.2 as well.

All of these machines apart from the 2.0Ghz G5 have bluetooth, with no issues. The laptops both have wifi, no issues. Everything is hunky dory. IMHO, 10.4.3 is one of the best updates I've seen.

Only issue I saw was Onyx broke with the Applescript error, but they already released a fix.

Yes, I too am having no problems with this update and have also noticed that CPU temperature is markedly lower than before, as much as 5 centigrade degrees lower, and as such the fan has barely come on at all.
I had the Safari crash while looking at the Nokia link and thought it must be related but then within moments everybody else was saying it crashes too and you can stop it by updating Flash so not the update at all.
I haven't noticed any great speed bumps, nothing seems noticeably faster to me but then 10.4.2 was running pretty well to start with.

 

[mygoldens]

Had to return my first PB high res for network lockups. The second one, bought from the Apple store with Procare, is flying high. I applied all the updates everyone is complaining about and not a problem. I did not even fix permissions. I went on to install all my software and no problems. I think this update makes OSX fly, I have more speed on the Powerbook than ever before.

I just thought I would throw my .02 in.

 

[MatthewCobb]

SAFARI 2.0.2 - this IS annoying

With 2.0.1 when viewing a PDF file you could either "Open with Preview" (in the menu) or right click (with a Mighty Mouse) and save to disk. Both these options have gone - there is no Open with Preview in the menu, and clicking (right or left) simply gives a cursor. I can see no way of downloading a PDF to my disk, which is VERY annoying - as a scientist I spend an important part of my day looking at articles in PDF format and then downloading them. Now I can't! Grrrr

PS Everything else about 10.4.3 is fine - ignore the moans above.

 

[devman]

With 2.0.1 when viewing a PDF file you could either "Open with Preview" (in the menu) or right click (with a Mighty Mouse) and save to disk. Both these options have gone - there is no Open with Preview in the menu, and clicking (right or left) simply gives a cursor. I can see no way of downloading a PDF to my disk, which is VERY annoying - as a scientist I spend an important part of my day looking at articles in PDF format and then downloading them. Now I can't! Grrrr

PS Everything else about 10.4.3 is fine - ignore the moans above.

You could use Adobe Acrobat reader and its plugin instead of preview in Safari. Or you could option-click on the pdf link which will do a download rather than try and load the link in your Safari main window.

 

[frenetic]

With 2.0.1 when viewing a PDF file you could either "Open with Preview" (in the menu) or right click (with a Mighty Mouse) and save to disk. Both these options have gone - there is no Open with Preview in the menu, and clicking (right or left) simply gives a cursor. I can see no way of downloading a PDF to my disk, which is VERY annoying - as a scientist I spend an important part of my day looking at articles in PDF format and then downloading them. Now I can't! Grrrr

PS Everything else about 10.4.3 is fine - ignore the moans above.

Bizarre, because on mine it works perfectly. If I right click a page containing a pdf it gives me the option "open with preview"... No mighty mouse here but a regular Logitech one, on Safari 2.0.1

 

[MatthewCobb]

Or you could option-click on the pdf link which will do a download rather than try and load the link in your Safari main window.

Nope, I just get a Micky Mouse finger which won't let me do anything else except open the file in a Safari PDF-read window. Why did they get rid of the Open in Preview option? Competition issues (should also have had Acrobat etc etc)???

If I right click a page containing a pdf it gives me the option "open with preview"... No mighty mouse here but a regular Logitech one, on Safari 2.0.1

That's the point - that doesn't work in [my] 2.0.2... It was fine in 2.0.1

EDIT: Belay much of the above - everything is fine on the PB at home, so I presume it is a local thing on my computer (like many of the complaints, I reckon). However, I still wonder why they got rid of the Open in Preview option. Anyone know?

 

[davincitek]

fixed it on mine

Does anybody here have an ibook or powerbook with over 1 GB of RAM? I wonder if this update takes care of the Airport issues.

haven't had a freeze up or airport drop since installing

 

[frenetic]

That's the point - that doesn't work in [my] 2.0.2... It was fine in 2.0.1

Didn't they update the mighty mouse drivers as well? Perhaps there is something wrong with them? Perhas try a different mouse to see whether it persists?

 

[faintember]

Installed 10.4.3 a few days ago and thought I would report my findings:

Safari crashes more frequently for me
Max/MSP crashes for NO reason occasionally (never happened under 10.4.2)

Overall, i am a bit peeved, but hopefully it will smooth itself out.

 

[yojitani]

Got to agree with a number of posters, 10.4.3 is a pain. Most of the problems. it's true aren't major, but still I like to think of an upgrade as an improvement. My biggest issue is my fans revving every 30 mins or so. back to the 10.3.8 problem again! I guess I'll have to set my processor to 'highest.' And also getting a longer beach ball to access my second drive.

I gave up on Safari a long time ago, but am not surprized it's getting worse. I think apple should give the skin to Mozilla and move over personally ...

Bad job apple....

YOJ

 

[200paul]

Calculator Not Working right!

I used to be able to put in a number and say "minus" 20 then "percent" and then "equals" and it would take give me the result. It now changes any number into a 10th when I hit the percent subtracts those and gives me a result. For example 100 - 20% = 98.8

 

[Laser47]

Just recently i noticed that the minimize button for finder windows are greyed out, is this normal?

 

[300ZX]

not a single issue with 10.4.3

It is running FANTABULOUS as always...so well, in fact, that I sold my AMD64 machine towards the purchase of a new iMac G5!

(14 inch iBook G4 late 2004)