Mac OS X 10.4.4 Intel Patch for PCs

[Maxx Power]

I weep for the future of America and current college admissions standards.

You may be weeping for a long time. The economy is slipping pretty fast. And if they raised college admission standards, NO, Wait, if they KEPT admission standards where they are, immigrant intellectuals will be doing the toughest, hardest jobs say Research institutions, NASA, defence departments, corporate research and development, and any job that is systematic labour will be off-shored to hungry and angry populations else where in the world, that sounds like today.

 

[kugino]

For the record, it's "grammar," not "grammer." Maybe you should be the one working on your spelling.

LMAO!!!!!

that's one of the funniest posts i've seen in awhile.

 

[Xephian]

This is somewhat good for me since now I can maybe install OS X on my PC with an Intel P4 3Ghz.

 

[Platform]

That 10.4.5 did come damn fast

 

[Xephian]

that's one of the funniest posts i've seen in awhile.

Lol, yeah that's common spelling error amongst people.

 

[Maxx Power]

Hello everyone.

Right now, I'm at my parent's house in Angol, Chile and it pleases me to read this news. Why? I'll tell you why.

The reason is that I'm a college student here in Chile in the "Universidad Católica del Norte" (it has it's own international prestige in the area that I'm studying, that is Chemistry) and my parents can't afford to buy me a mac computer.

True. I've built my own computer on 2003, using only Intel components and great was my surprise when I tried the Intel OS X version and that it worked flawlessly. The thing is that I love OS X too and that there are certain software that I use that runs only on that system...and run a bit slow on my machine using rosetta emulation (I have a 2.0 Ghz Northwood Pentium 4)...but it runs and gives me no errors at all.

To the people who thinks that anyone can buy an Apple computer....do you know how expensive they are in Chile?

To give you an idea... the cheapest iMac costs US$1299. Here, in Chile, directly from the distributor, it costs CL$1,349,900 which converted to dollars is US$2499,81. Consider as well that the "per-capita" income in Chile is WAY lower than in the US.

Now, think TWICE before you talk about the people that can't get a Mac, because in other countries it's a luxury to have one.

...by the way, I DO have a copy of Mac OS X 10.4.3 running WITH Core Image and Quartz Extreme on my machine. Not bad at all for an "old" 2.0 Ghz Northwood Pentium 4 with a "crappy" Radeon 9600.

Mac's have always been about life-style computing. Or to translate that marketing for you, Mac's have always been for people who can afford them, and who spends enough recreational time to appreciate so called "better things". That's why Mac's aren't taking off for Chile or China, or Brazil, or Russia, etc... Income in those countries are too low for people to have the money and time to sit and appreciate a virtual world, at least from their middle class downward. That's why we let them make our Mac's for us, from hardware components to assembly, since we don't have to pay much for labour due to the low income averages, selling these back to them at inflated prices and few would care.

 

[BenRoethig]

This is absolutely GREAT news. Once PC people know about Mac OS X, they will never use Windows again.

Mac OS X on PCs out there is the best thing that can happen to Mac because Mac OS X needs exposure. This is the best way to boost Mac OS X market share from 3% to 30% in a few years.

And once people use Mac OS X, they will purchase Macs as well. Millions will do it!

From talking with the OSX86 crowd, it is very stable on PCs and even without full hardware support is a much better experience than windows. Many of them use it as their day to day OS. The problem is that they don't really like what Apple has to offer on the hardware side.

 

[whocares]

Mac's have always been about life-style computing. Or to translate that marketing for you, Mac's have always been for people who can afford them, and who spends enough recreational time to appreciate so called "better things". That's why Mac's aren't taking off for Chile or China, or Brazil, or Russia, etc... Income in those countries are too low for people to have the money and time to sit and appreciate a virtual world, at least from their middle class downward. That's why we let them make our Mac's for us, from hardware components to assembly, since we don't have to pay much for labour due to the low income averages, selling these back to them at inflated prices and few would care.

Dunno what to reply to that without dragging this thread to the political forum.

 

[torncanvas]

I think some of you guys don't understand what cybermiguel is saying. He's saying that it should be a little more expensive instead of a LOT more expensive. I can completely understand this happening, and yes it is dumb. Hopefully Apple will soon cut out all those middle men and get some good int'l presence. Until then, I say let people do it if they're broke and can't afford a $2500 low-end iMac. But those people should not have the right to complain about stuff when they are illegally using OS X.

About the hardware on unsupported PCs, you can get basically the same hardware on your own or through some other vendor and it will be exactly like a Mac in terms of hardware support. The thing is, by the time you do that, it's not that much cheaper than an Apple itself (unless you build it yourself - effectively paying yourself for the labor with your saved money). I've been spec-ing out comparable Macbook Pros since I've been waiting for mine to get here, and I've found that the days of Apple being a "premium-priced" product niche or "only for people who can afford them" are soon leaving us. In the Macbook Pro's case, they are already gone - unless you find an extremely limited coupon . If you count bundled software, many times Apple is actually cheaper when you try to match ALL of the features of each laptop.

So I think one could say that Apple being a premium product for the image-conscious is not very accurate. It's simply better for about the same price.

 

[Joe2000]

Oh Dear...

I was on eBay looking for a retail set of Tiger and I came accross a guy who'd been an eBay member for 1 day. He was selling an installation DVD that promised to install Tiger on any PC. I scoffed it, but scrolled down as he had posted some pictures and there it was, a Sony Vaio running 10.4.4. I then reported it to eBay, and posted on Apple's disscussions forum and within 30mins the item was removed from eBay and my post on the Apple forum was locked.

The "seller" is no-longer an eBay member, however he had sold 5 copies of the DVD already, i dont know what will happen to the buyers - whether they'll get their DVD's or not.

I'm fairly new to MacRumors - I only started posting about a week before MWSF 06' and i'm still learning my way round. I submitted a rumor/story about this 45mins after I saw it on eBay but I haven't herd anything - oh well, i'm sure this story is the same thing, i'm basically saying "I tried to bring this to everyone's attention sooner but failed"

Still waiting for some INTEL iBook's, MacBook's whatever's though...

Thanks for reading, Joe.

 

[generik]

Bad PR for who?

Apple or the thief who is stealing software!

Whatever

Whatever, people don't care about the thief.

"OMG! Think of all those legitimate Apple users being treated like criminals!"

 

[generik]

So are you saying that if I walked into a convenience store and held them up and my crime is captured on video tape, I should be able to sue the convenience store for invading my privacy by taping me!

Yes, but if I own the f***ing store, it is my every right to walk into the store, point at the camera, and quietly request that it be turned off, please. Failing which it is also my every right to pull out an axe, and hack the camera into pieces.

Your argument again?

 

[quigleybc]

How come if I mention the Front Row Hack, or Bit torrent I get my head bit off on here,

But this story gets front page?

 

[snowmen]

Well...
1. Maxxuss is from Russia, and so far Apple doesn't have an office in Russia. There is no way that Apple can sue Maxxuss. (apple.ru is not official Apple Russia website, it's Apple IMC Russia. Don't think it's the official Russian Apple)

2. IF Apple decide to use the ultimate method to protect (ie privacy stuff), we can sue APPLE already! Or maybe we don't really have to sue them because by the time we win the case, Apple would be bankroupt already... Look at Sony, what happened to Sony which is a company opened a backdoor to comfirm the usage of the CD in the music CD? View Sony's annual report yet? or maybe not annual one, but the fiscal one... HUGE LOST!

I stop using XP except gaming. Why?
Because when there is something happening, I always have to format my HD and use the legal XP CD to install. Don't know why, but I always cannot use internet activation, I have to PHONE them. It takes a while. But before I phone them to activate my XP, I HAVE to find my SerialNumber which I always put it somewhere on my messy table. After all the activation is done, I'll HAVE to go to Windows Update and waste 5 hrs or so to get XP SP2 and all patches... Ha! I wasted 6.5 hrs of installing legal XP while somebody using Super XP just need 1 hr and they don't even need Serial Number, activation, and it's even FULLY PATCHED! Poof....

If Mac require all un-necessary step or even more like IP Scan/Track, I will DEFINALLY NOT use Mac! There are still Linux that I can just install and use them!

3. But if #2 doesn't happen, I will of course continue supporting Apple by buying their hardware + legal software since at least I can afford to. But it doesn't mean that all people around the world can afford it.

 

[gnasher729]

I really hope this doesn't mean that Apple will start using serial numbers and activation... what a pain in the a-double-S that would be

There is no need for that at all. The situation is different for Windows: Any Windows installation could in principle be legal. If I make nine copies of Windows XP and install it on ten machines, then one of them is legal. Using the same serial number twice shows that one of them is illegal.

In the case of MacOS X, if it is installed on a non-Apple computer, it is illegal. No need to look at a serial number.

 

[gnasher729]

From talking with the OSX86 crowd, it is very stable on PCs and even without full hardware support is a much better experience than windows. Many of them use it as their day to day OS. The problem is that they don't really like what Apple has to offer on the hardware side.

On the other hand, if I installed MacOS X on a non-Apple computer, I wouldn't let that computer anywhere near the Internet.

 

[snowmen]

On the other hand, if I installed MacOS X on a non-Apple computer, I wouldn't let that computer anywhere near the Internet.

well~ if Apple DID collect information from our computer, then Apple will be illegal as well. For that it cannot be the evidence to put charge against you. And, I don't see anywhere in EULA saying that accepting Apple freely collect private information. (or maybe there is but I didn't see it)

 

[gnasher729]

Now, if Apple had any business sense about them, they would be selling this OS to other manufacturers and competing directly with Microsoft. But they'd rather stay proprietary. This is dumb because every time they update the OS, someone will crack it. Either they accept that painful fact or they patch the OS every week. OR (click light bulb) they sell it to companies like Dell and HP!

Sure, if Apple had any business sense they would hire you to make that kind of decision.

Note: If you install MacOS X on a non-Apple computer, then the fact in itself is proof of copyright infringement. If Apple used any technological methods to keep you from doing this, and these methods were circumvented, you fall under the DMCA law, which makes you a criminal. There is no relationship between you and Apple Computer except that you infringed on their copyright and in the process of doing so broke the law, therefore Apple Computer is free to use whatever means are necessary to collect evidence against you.

 

[gnasher729]

well~ if Apple DID collect information from our computer, then Apple will be illegal as well. For that it cannot be the evidence to put charge against you. And, I don't see anywhere in EULA saying that accepting Apple freely collect private information. (or maybe there is but I didn't see it)

Absolutely wrong. If Apple did collect information from an Apple Computer, that would be wrong. If Apple collects information from a PC that contains an illegal copy of MacOS X, they have absolutely every right to do so.

 

[snowmen]

Absolutely wrong. If Apple did collect information from an Apple Computer, that would be wrong. If Apple collects information from a PC that contains an illegal copy of MacOS X, they have absolutely every right to do so.

Well~ in order to know if that OS X is on a PC or not, they MUST collect information from both PC OS X and MAC OS X, and filter out MAC OS X. Now, that's illegal. Because Apple DID collect MAC OS X information.

 

[gnasher729]

The X86 versions of OS X "phone home," and Apple has the IP address of every customer that is not running it on Apple hardware. Pretty soon, they'll be sending letters to customers about a lawsuit, similar to what the RIAA has done. I think that it is possible, because all OS X computers are in constant contact with Apple, checking for updates. It wouldn't surprise me if they recorded your IP and hardware details.

Safari detects that it is running on a non-Apple Macintosh. The next time you start it, it connects to a special page on the Apple Store. Something like "Thank you for trying out MacOS X on your xxx computer. If you want to continue using MacOS X, we recommend you buy one of our nice computers; if not, you should delete MacOS X from your PC in order to stop infringing on our copyrights."

Of course they would also record your IP address and hardware details; and if you're caught again three months later...

 

[snowmen]

Safari detects that it is running on a non-Apple Macintosh. The next time you start it, it connects to a special page on the Apple Store. Something like "Thank you for trying out MacOS X on your xxx computer. If you want to continue using MacOS X, we recommend you buy one of our nice computers; if not, you should delete MacOS X from your PC in order to stop infringing on our copyrights."

Safari doesn't detect that it is running on a non-Apple computer.
How can Apple detect if it's non-Apple computer?

Even if there is, and if it's non-encrypted software, just re-write that part and kext it. if it's encrypted software, there're always higher-skill hacker can reverse engineer and crack it. if it's hardware check (which seems like it doesn't), then you might as well re-write the driver, and if it's just at hardware itself that consistently send information to Apple~ well, first, it's illegal, and second, it can be capture by packet reciever and still can solve the problem.

Also, now iMac Core Duo doesn't seal the CPU... ... That means we can change CPU... so if I change to 2.16Ghz one if I can buy it, will Safari (in your logic) pop up and say: Oh~ There is no such spec on our Mac list, you're using OS X on non-Apple Computer blah blah blah...???? and if CPU is ok, can I flash the EFI by using some other source??? It's still "Apple Computer"! will it catch it? If I change CPU, flash EFI, change RAM, change HD, and you definally can change video card in Intel PowerMac (or Mac Pro)... how can Apple define your computer is Apple brand or not!?

Honestly, Apple can stop spending hundred of thousands of dollar on thinkink "How OS X cannot be cracked"! The easiest way is to have a new update everytime there is hacker crack the older update... and later on the hacker will just get tired of keep re-write the mach_kernal... and by that time left the PC user decide if the older version is OK for them or they need a better cooler feature and correct more problem on the newer version.

Like 10.4.5... we've been hearing 10.4.5 coming out for many days... but they don't release at all until Maxxuss release the crack for 10.4.4...

 

[Fiveos22]

Everyone always said Apple makes money on the hardware (correct me if I'm wrong but the OS is free?).

Ok, you're wrong.

Apple is unique because they are a both a software and hardware vendor, thus creating a vertical product line that should integrate seamlessly with itself. Apple must make some sort of profit from their other software lines:

Apple Software
iLife '06
iWork '06
Final Cut Express HD
Logic Express 7
Logic Pro 7
Final Cut Studio
Shake 4
Web Objects 5.2
Xsan
Aperture

 

[iEdd]

Woah.. This thread is sure filled with witty bastards. If someone corrects many mistakes in someone elses post, yet makes one in their own, they are now hypocritical?
To the people in Chile who are getting rooted with pricing, find a reliable online store and pay for international shipping, it will still end up much cheaper -of course, depending how your customs are and what-not.
To everyone arguing that stealing an OS because you can't afford the computer it comes with is perfectly fine, it's not. Great deals on eBay for used powermac G4s which will be legal and stable unlike running it on generic crap.

 

[(L)]

I think that Appler should hire this Maxxuss person to help them protect their OS.

No kidding! Right? I mean, the guy knows how he did it and how he wouldn't have been able to, right?

Then again, Apple surely saw this coming. I wonder if Apple has something up it's sleeve....