aswitcher said:
Who says 10.5 will come right after Tiger though? 10.5 could be released in 2008 and it would probably still be out before Longhorn.
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Who says 10.5 will come right after Tiger though? 10.5 could be released in 2008 and it would probably still be out before Longhorn.
April 1st???
Can anyone ever trust a rumor that pegs the date on April Fools Day? Granted it's not a very funny joke, but still.
Or maybe this is Apple's attempt at letting the rumors cast doubt on themselves? Put an announcement date on April 1st so nobody will believe it's real?
Who knows....
-z
Can anyone ever trust a rumor that pegs the date on April Fools Day? Granted it's not a very funny joke, but still.
Or maybe this is Apple's attempt at letting the rumors cast doubt on themselves? Put an announcement date on April 1st so nobody will believe it's real?
Who knows....
-z
zoltamatron said:
I think you're reading into this a little too much.
Or is that what Apple wants?
Anyone who believes April 1st anything will happen regarding Tiger's release should know about this special occasion:
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/aprilfools1.html
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/aprilfools1.html
Isn't Tiger going to be the last OS X??~Shard~ said:Who says 10.5 will come right after Tiger though? 10.5 could be released in 2008 and it would probably still be out before Longhorn.
OS XI is coming in a few years (I'd say 2008). That means X will have been on the market for almost 8 years! It's funny because when XI comes out, Longhorn will already be outdated (some say Longhorn isn't even as good as Tiger).
Plymouthbreezer said:
Where did you hear this?
My guess is that we'll see a OS 10.6... but we'll see OS X around a bit longer than 2008... although it will have gone through some fantastic changes from the OS we now use.
If this is true and I'd just forked out around $1700 for a ticket to the Apple Worldwide Developers Conference 2005 (WWDC E-ticket and Tiger Early Start Kit) I'd be on the phone now demanding my money back.
What would be left to announce? let alone talk about!
It's just a childish reaction to the lost court case this week in the guise of an April-fool.
What would be left to announce? let alone talk about!
It's just a childish reaction to the lost court case this week in the guise of an April-fool.
I beg to differ
let me see, on the one hand, I have 3/16" thick lexan, on the other hand I have the same thickness of machined aircraft aluminum. I think the G5 wins the durablilty test, aesthetics aside. This is off topic any way.
joeboy_45101 said:
let me see, on the one hand, I have 3/16" thick lexan, on the other hand I have the same thickness of machined aircraft aluminum. I think the G5 wins the durablilty test, aesthetics aside. This is off topic any way.
itsa said:
Precisely the reason why Apple was suing those rumor sites.
Person plans to buy an iMac
Person decides to read a rumor site first
Person discovers that new iMacs are 3 months away
Person hold off on iMac purchase for 3 months
Apple does without their $$$ from Person for 3 months
Not to mention Apple will have an old rev sitting in a warehouse while having supply shortages with the new rev.
This doesn't sound bad about one person, but multiple it by many many people and you get the idea.
anjaki said:
You can get the Tiger kit & a lot more for just $500 (ADC Select membership)-- includes the formal release, when available.
Blue Velvet said:
I suspect that you are correct-- the underpinnings of OS X have been around for quite a few years.
I would bet that Mac OS X 10.5 Lion will:
1) Be a major rewrite for 64-bit in all components
2) Support new hardware architectures like the cell chip, graphics chips
3) Integrate the desktop, web, the living room, and personal space into a seemless digital lifestyle
4) Incidentally support new peripherals/concepts for simplified I/O
5) Implement new levels of individual privacy & security
6) Include some "gotta-have" features to justify the $129 upgrade
With FCS in Jan 2007, you will see OS X Lion running a complete wireless, internet-connected "Personal-Servant" on a portable box smaller than an iPod mini-- with a battery life of weeks-- at a cost starting at $500.
All your "stuff" will be in that box-- and you can take it with you... anywhere!
dicklacara said:
More than likely not.
Tiger still supports a G3 and since Apple has committed to only supporting 1 OS across all there platforms It will be a rather long time before we see a true 64 bit OS from Apple.
Then again 3 yrs is a very long time in the computer industry so who knows.
~loserman~ said:
Yeah, but they could include the old 32-bit components in the OS-wide equivalent of fat binaries.
But there is another thing working here: peripherals. Pretty soon the G3 won't have enough 199x peripheral capacity to install the latest OS X version (unless they provide it on 5-10 CD's. (I have a G3 that is capable of running Tiger, but I don't have a DVD drive necessary to install it).
Then there are space and power requirements.
The Mac mini (and its successors) provides the perfect monetary alternative to G3s (especially since it already includes the OS).
At some point, Apple will stabalize a 32-bit version of the OS (prolly Tiger, IMO) and let that be the release for G3 CPUs.
If there is a significant migration to G4-G5 (and later) hardware in the next few years (and I believe there will be) this could become less of an issue.
It is very important that Apple do this, so they are in a position of exploiting the latest technology-- without being dragged down supporting obsolecent solutions.
I'm tempted to say if new powermacs don't come out with Tiger I'll just buy the current offerings.... hmmm... C'mon tiger!!
dicklacara said:
Oh I completely agree that they should stop supporting older obsolete systems like the G3.
The kernel of tiger is the same for the G3, G4 and G5. there isn't a 32 bit and 64 bit kernel. Actually there isn't a 64 bit kernel at all because Tiger really is a 32 bit OS with some slight 64 bit functionality. Mainly memory access for POSIX compliant threads running at the command line and Server daemons included too.
I actually expect we wont see a true 64 bit OS until at least 3 yrs after the last G4 sells. Maybe that will be 10.5 maybe 10.6
~loserman~ said:
Yes! Apple needs to address this (apparently Longhorn does).
If Apple wants to win the mindset of IT pros (and by inference, the business community) it will need to offer leading edge technological solutions. It is exactly users like you (decision influencers) that Apple will need to satisfy.
dicklacara said:
I know that I'll be called a mental patient for this again but we have made 3 trips to Cupertino for an Executive Briefing over the last few years. We have another coming up soon. Overall Apple has been receptive to suggestions and have incorporated several items into OS X that we asked for. Believe it or not 64 bit memory addressing was one of the items we were pushing for back before Panther was announced. We were told at that time they would take our needs into consideration and would try to build a business case for it. On our next visit we asked for it again and Apple told us that they had some other customers that were begging for it too(Movie industry for render farms) We like to feel that we had a part in Apple bringing 64 bit addressing to OS X.
We also have complained about limited functionality at the command line. Especially in the areas of the standard UNIX flat files not working like exports, fstab etc. Those were fixed in Jaguar and Panther.
I can say that Apple is listening to its large accounts and they will eventually get there.
While you may find that I complain a lot about OS X and it's technical merit I do think it's on the right road to mature into an outstanding OS with the right features to support almost anyone.
minesgeek said:
It runs quite well on the Powerbook. I have been running it since the first beta at WWDC 2004. I've endured a lot of bugs had some panics and lost access to some of my Apps but the last update has correct a lot of that.
As for speed I haven't bench marked it against any desktop apps(timing wise) vs Panther but I have not noticed it being slower or faster otherwise
A few things:
When and if 10.5 comes out, it will not support G3's. Some G3's can't support Tiger now, no way in hell an OS at least two years off will run on the old Macs. I think if this so-called "Lion" (who/where did that name come from, any truth to the name??) comes out, G4's will be supported, but only G4's with SuperDrives.
Do most people need a true 64 bit OS anytime soon?? Not really.
Leading off that, if most/all, or at least some of those improvements were made part of the Mac OS, it's too much of an update to still be called OS X, which is why I believe that OS XI is coming after tiger. "Lion," or 10.5 might come before then, but it won't be nearly as big of an update, and would be somthing of a Jaguar to Panther type upgrade. Lion would then be the last OS X before OS XI comes sometime before the end of the decade. I can't see X lasting almost 10 years (the OS X Developer Release's and Rapsody were in the late 90s), when 7.5-9.2.x was on the market for only 5/6 years. Pretty soon X will be the new "Classic!"
When and if 10.5 comes out, it will not support G3's. Some G3's can't support Tiger now, no way in hell an OS at least two years off will run on the old Macs. I think if this so-called "Lion" (who/where did that name come from, any truth to the name??) comes out, G4's will be supported, but only G4's with SuperDrives.
Do most people need a true 64 bit OS anytime soon?? Not really.
I really like those ideas. I'm trying to picture an all in one intergrated desktop, and I can come up with a million ideas just now. I'm sure Apple could have a field day doing the stuff you posted.
Leading off that, if most/all, or at least some of those improvements were made part of the Mac OS, it's too much of an update to still be called OS X, which is why I believe that OS XI is coming after tiger. "Lion," or 10.5 might come before then, but it won't be nearly as big of an update, and would be somthing of a Jaguar to Panther type upgrade. Lion would then be the last OS X before OS XI comes sometime before the end of the decade. I can't see X lasting almost 10 years (the OS X Developer Release's and Rapsody were in the late 90s), when 7.5-9.2.x was on the market for only 5/6 years. Pretty soon X will be the new "Classic!"
hob said:I'm tempted to say if new powermacs don't come out with Tiger I'll just buy the current offerings.... hmmm... C'mon tiger!!
Somehow I get the feeling that it might be the other way: gonna have to wait till new PowerMacs come out to upgrade to tiger...
edit: after re-reading ur post, i realized you might've meant the same thing, but i'm still not sure
yeah, i guess that i wasn't looking for any benchmarks. i was just hoping that i wouldn't get screwed like i did a couple of years ago when win xp came out (pre-"switch"). freezing, with slow, slow, slow, painful, frustrating, software experiences.~loserman~ said:
i am like boohoo now that i rock the macs but the fear is still in the back of my head. i guess that i should worry about bugs too...
anyway, thanks for the helpful, beta-user hints.