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k28 said:
I think when Longhorn come out, Mac OS X will gose 10.5 (cannot think about name of another kine of tiger here) which will be more advance than tiger and maybe longhorn.

But for now Tiger vs XP, everyone know who win.

Wow, you think 10.5 will be more advanced than 10.4? You must have some kind of insider information.
 
Apple store is down!!!!!

April Fool's!!

Seriously, I hope we get some good news today. From what I've seen so far, I think Tiger is a modest upgrade, but Dashboard and Spotlight look like total homeruns.
 
zzen said:
I actually liked the Panther video better. I think, no matter how professionally this was done, it looks quite simple and underwhelming. Welcome movies should just blow you away...

The real on doesn't actually go to black half way thru. A


Porchman said:
Seriously, I hope we get some good news today. From what I've seen so far, I think Tiger is a modest upgrade, but Dashboard and Spotlight look like total homeruns.

Modest upgrade? Do you live under a rock? You do realize that this is the first Major Consumer 64bit OS, don't you? This is arguably the most important upgrade since the switch from 9 to 10.0. "Modest," this guy cracks me up, he should go to open mic night.
 
I personally preferred the Jaguar soundtrack. A really sweet bit of Kruder and Dorfmeister from the K&D sessions. I remember it was one of my favourite albums at the time I bought my Mac and I opened it up to hear it playing it. Damn - that alone blew me away.

The Röyksopp one was pretty cool track too, but for me didn't have the out-and-out coolness of K&D. I haven't heard the new video - does anyone know what the track is? Maybe some Mylo? Maybe they'll go more something a bit more obscure like Boards of Canada, though I think Aim or David Holmes would work well. Or maybe something off the new Lemon Jelly album or maybe more electro to reflect the recent trend towards DFA-esque stuff...

Edit: Bugger it I'll just download it...

Oh such a disappointing music track... The worst thing you can say about it is that it sounds like computer game music - like a bad copy of Lemon Jelly- not the good stuff that Apple has used up to now. Why not Mylo Vally of the Dolls/Drop the Pressure or Lemon Jelly Only Time. Both recent enough to qualify as cool. I agree that it needs something more uptempo than the lounge of previous videos, because the tempo of the video has changed with all that fancy spotlight moving about stuff, but there are plenty of better choices of track. :(

OK I think I'll get some perspective now - it is only an intro movie...

Oh and what's all this "Town Clerk" "Crying Boy" stuff about. I know it April 1, but... ;)
 
SPUY767 said:
Modest upgrade? Do you live under a rock? You do realize that this is the first Major Consumer 64bit OS, don't you? This is arguably the most important upgrade since the switch from 9 to 10.0. "Modest," this guy cracks me up, he should go to open mic night.

Actually Windows x64 came out of Beta 2 days ago so Tiger is not the first 64bit Consumer OS to hit the market.
 
Montserrat said:
I personally preferred the Jaguar soundtrack. A really sweet bit of Kruder and Dorfmeister from the K&D sessions. I remember it was one of my favourite albums at the time I bought my Mac and I opened it up to hear it playing it. Damn - that alone blew me away.

The track is actually written by the Sofa Surfers which happens to be on the kruder & dofrmeister sessions cd. Its all about giving props to the right people where they are due.
 
Porchland said:
Wow, you think 10.5 will be more advanced than 10.4? You must have some kind of insider information.

Well should do.

Because when OS 9 came out they said that it had 50 new features OS X Panther came with 150 new features and Tiger is said to have 200 ;)
 
encro said:
Actually Windows x64 came out of Beta 2 days ago so Tiger is not the first 64bit Consumer OS to hit the market.
Coming out beta is not to hit the market.
 
Gump said:
Enjoy the rush while it lasts....as soon as Microsoft actually puts effort into it's OS program again (namely, Longhorn) the way they did in the mid-90's, Apple will go back into the hole.

Here come the flames and the magic release date arguments.... :rolleyes:

HAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHA
Like that will ever be a reality. HAHAAH HAHAHA AHAH
 
cool!!!

wow... and its april first now!! cant wait! wonder if apple will pull an aprils fool and say they are porting to windows... lol :D
 
You say tomato...

SPUY767 said:
Modest upgrade? Do you live under a rock? You do realize that this is the first Major Consumer 64bit OS, don't you? This is arguably the most important upgrade since the switch from 9 to 10.0. "Modest," this guy cracks me up, he should go to open mic night.

I'm not talking about total revised lines of code or other under-the-hood issues that affect how the OS works. I'm talking about consumer features, i.e., reasons to upgrade.

As I look at the ten items that Apple highlights on its Tiger page, only Dashboard and Spotlight are -- to me -- major must-have apps. Some of the other upgrades will be nice to have and will be performance boosts but won't necessarily change the way I do things -- like Mail upgrades, Safari RSS, etc.

I'm NOT saying it's a half-assed upgrade because it most certainly isn't. I'm just saying it's modest in terms of consumer must-have changes.

Propeller head. (Kidding!)
 
Anyone know where I can watch that movie the link for that .mac homepage isn't working and that mirror mention above doesn't work either.

Regards,
Ken
 
Porchland said:
I'm not talking about total revised lines of code or other under-the-hood issues that affect how the OS works. I'm talking about consumer features, i.e., reasons to upgrade.

As I look at the ten items that Apple highlights on its Tiger page, only Dashboard and Spotlight are -- to me -- major must-have apps. Some of the other upgrades will be nice to have and will be performance boosts but won't necessarily change the way I do things -- like Mail upgrades, Safari RSS, etc.

I'm NOT saying it's a half-assed upgrade because it most certainly isn't. I'm just saying it's modest in terms of consumer must-have changes.

Propeller head. (Kidding!)

I think consumers will soon realise that this is a major upgrade when software that takes advantage of the Core* technologies starts being released.
 
Steven1621 said:
Not to add fire to the flames...but it isn't fair to say that the efforts of M$ in the mid-90s was the cause of Apple's troubles.

No Apple's complete and total mismanagement of the market was the trouble. While I don't think Jobs is a good businessman he DOES know what the market and the consumer want. What Steve did to Apple when he returned as interim CEO was such a dramatic departure while he was gone that it literally can be said that he saved Apple.
 
matticus008 said:
I'm going to have to disagree a little with this claim. If you are an artist, let's talk. Initially, it does seem pretty basic. I can't evaluate the lighting/shadowing at this poor resolution, but I'd hope it's more than a quick hack job (and it seems to be accurate/professional).

Even very simple icons for in-house applications have been known to take several hours, and you'd never know because the end product is just, say, a check mark with a halo around it. "Anyone could do that in 30 seconds."

A good artist, like any other professional, makes everything look effortless and easy, like the work took form in a moment. A good application, like iMovie, makes it look like you're an artist, so you can do in a few minutes what real professionals meticulously create over hours or days.

Im not saying its a quick hack job, i just think its funny that anything perceived as coming out of apple is automaticly "amazing" to apple fans.
Dont get me wrong, ive been using macs since...ah...late 80's? But it is still just a computer. (please, no hate mail) : )

As for the difficulty of it, moderate.

Could be done completely in After Effects. (probably was) Standard 3d layers with beveled edges applied. Camera work is good but a little jerky. Standard 3d light source, spotlight. Bad lighting on the "Tervetuloa" makes me suspect that this is a fake, but i dont know. Seems people who may know have confirmed it is the real deal. We'll see.
 
Gump said:
Enjoy the rush while it lasts....as soon as Microsoft actually puts effort into it's OS program again (namely, Longhorn) the way they did in the mid-90's, Apple will go back into the hole.

Here come the flames and the magic release date arguments.... :rolleyes:

Really? Mid 90's. Do you know what the mid 90's brought us? Windows NT 4. While a good OS it had practically no compatibility with 9x making it a nightmare to support on the desktop. the 90's brought us Windows '95, '95A, '95B, and '95C. Weee. Pretty much nothing. It brought us '98 and '98SE and the always popular Windows ME. So what did the 90's bring us? Pure unadulterated Win9x BS. I can say without much reservation that Windows 9x is the world's ****est OS platform. In point of fact there have been several executives at Microsoft who have been heard to say that Windows 9x is a child's OS and the real deal is NT. I could write a 4 page response as to the specifics as to why 9x sucks so badly. Should we talk about memory management? Should we talk DLL hell? Should we talk serious issues with MS's own driver database that could corrupt Windows 95 and 98 (Not SE though.) itself? Or maybe I should talk about how Windows 9x deals with FAT and how corruption could occur simply by running scandisk with multiple drives attached on a secondary IDE chain. Go search support.microsoft.com for that one. It was an issue with the initial release of ‘98. I can say without playing this up as a joke and as someone who has had to support/install/manage/etc every variant of Windows from 3.11 to Server 2003 that the move from 3.11 was a massive cluster **** on the part of Microsoft. 9x was and is a joke. Only in the last 5 years with the introduction of 2000 could any company really take Windows as anything other then a bug ridden industry wide joke. XP takes it another step but as others have said MS has a problem that you don't seem to get. Being so engrained with the enterprise MS has to ensure backward compatibility. It’s not an option. They just have to do it. This means that all that security by obscurity that MS has implemented to allow functionality will be there in Longhorn. It may be scaled back to a large extent but it WILL be there.
Couple that with the fact that even though MS promised that Longhorn would be written from scratch. That promise lasted all of about 8 months. It’s already been well documented in a number of MS blogs and numerous websites that somewhere along the way that idea was scraped and the OS is actually based on Windows Server 2003 code. Code that originally came from XP which came from 2000 which has its core roots in NT 4. Code that has itself seen numerous security patches which includes, but is not limited to, that wonderful RPC security hole that was exploited by Blaster a could years back. MS isn’t fixing the problem. They know they can't do it without literally starting from scratch which means throwing compatability out the Windows. No they are building a moat around the OS to try and secure it. NX bit support, firewall, built in spyware/adware scanners, built in tech designed to stop other forms of buffer overflows as it occurs. Etc. The problem with this design philosophy is no different then the history of securing any fortified location. Eventually, in some form or another, the outer defenses will be breached and when that happens game over since Windows will still have a very soft underbelly.
Do I think Longshot is going to improve on the reliability and security of Windows? Sure. But lets not fool ourselves here. The project has changed directions more times then a boat stuck in a hurricane. The project has been stopped more times then I can count because of a temp refocus of priorites on the part of MS (And it looks like its happening again since MS is working on IE 7 for XP. Thanks FireFox.) The project has had features added, removed, then added at a later date, then added at shipping. (WinFX.)
All of this boils down to this: I wouldn’t touch the initial release of Longhorn if you paid me. Buggy? Like an exterminator in the middle of the Amazon rainforest.
 
Audio for Longhorn intro

I found the Audio to Longhorn intro (this may change before the actual release of Longhorn sometime in 2106 )

http://pictures.funnyjunk.com/pages/madmoo.wav

Sorry I have not extracted the entire video, just this clip. ;)
 

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I sure hope MS legal does go after NDA violators

I have also found the artwork for the Box Cover of the "soon-to-be-released" Longhorn
 

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I don't think the original link is still up for the video and if someone else is hosting it, I didn't see it in the previous thread pages.

Can someone help me by providing a link?
 
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